Meeting Title: Brainforge Coffee Chat Date: 2025-09-25 Meeting participants: Awaish Kumar, Robert Tseng
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1 00:03:52.000 ⇒ 00:03:52.890 Awaish Kumar: Hello?
2 00:03:53.870 ⇒ 00:03:54.820 Robert Tseng: Hey, Wish.
3 00:03:55.980 ⇒ 00:03:56.960 Awaish Kumar: How are you doing?
4 00:03:58.020 ⇒ 00:04:03.449 Robert Tseng: I’m pretty tired, to be honest. I feel pretty burned out.
5 00:04:03.840 ⇒ 00:04:09.229 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I feel like, yeah, I haven’t…
6 00:04:09.780 ⇒ 00:04:11.840 Robert Tseng: My mind is pretty slow today.
7 00:04:12.860 ⇒ 00:04:13.620 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
8 00:04:13.890 ⇒ 00:04:14.580 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
9 00:04:15.170 ⇒ 00:04:16.180 Robert Tseng: How are you?
10 00:04:16.790 ⇒ 00:04:17.690 Awaish Kumar: I’m good.
11 00:04:19.230 ⇒ 00:04:19.680 Robert Tseng: Nice.
12 00:04:21.120 ⇒ 00:04:27.160 Awaish Kumar: So how, like… Haven’t you been on any vacation lately?
13 00:04:28.240 ⇒ 00:04:30.960 Robert Tseng: I think…
14 00:04:32.010 ⇒ 00:04:39.179 Robert Tseng: I think the conferences take a lot out of me. So doing the Chicago thing last week, and then…
15 00:04:39.400 ⇒ 00:04:41.459 Robert Tseng: Going to one yesterday.
16 00:04:41.730 ⇒ 00:04:49.639 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I’m definitely not like Ubam. I can’t… I can’t go to these things back-to-back. I think once… one a week is enough for me, so…
17 00:04:49.770 ⇒ 00:04:55.649 Robert Tseng: I think I just gotta pace myself a bit more. I feel pretty soulfully drained.
18 00:04:55.840 ⇒ 00:04:56.620 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
19 00:04:59.370 ⇒ 00:05:04.440 Awaish Kumar: Like, what do you do then, like, to… Re-energize yourself.
20 00:05:04.970 ⇒ 00:05:08.520 Robert Tseng: I think for me, it’s just…
21 00:05:09.350 ⇒ 00:05:15.030 Robert Tseng: spending time alone, or going to do some hobbies. Like, I was…
22 00:05:15.120 ⇒ 00:05:33.259 Robert Tseng: I was like, I haven’t… I like to play pickleball, I haven’t played in, like, a month, so I was… I was, like, thinking I should probably go make some time to go play this weekend. My wife’s traveling for another week, so I’ll just be by myself for… for a week, and
23 00:05:33.900 ⇒ 00:05:41.069 Robert Tseng: I’m actually going to one more conference tomorrow, but that’s more for my own personal interest, so, I…
24 00:05:42.710 ⇒ 00:05:50.730 Robert Tseng: I don’t know, we’ll see. I think my energy level has definitely dropped, compared to, like, Monday, so…
25 00:05:51.500 ⇒ 00:05:52.430 Awaish Kumar: Yeah.
26 00:05:53.280 ⇒ 00:05:54.460 Awaish Kumar: Yeah.
27 00:05:55.160 ⇒ 00:05:55.820 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
28 00:05:55.970 ⇒ 00:06:03.170 Awaish Kumar: like, I booked this meeting, like, I was thinking of Having these… these conversations.
29 00:06:03.290 ⇒ 00:06:06.139 Awaish Kumar: for a long time, but, yeah, I finally…
30 00:06:06.300 ⇒ 00:06:10.360 Awaish Kumar: booked it is just to, like, kind of coffee chat meetings.
31 00:06:10.560 ⇒ 00:06:11.120 Awaish Kumar: Well, I…
32 00:06:11.120 ⇒ 00:06:11.700 Robert Tseng: Sure.
33 00:06:11.700 ⇒ 00:06:13.860 Awaish Kumar: Established the relationship.
34 00:06:14.090 ⇒ 00:06:17.849 Awaish Kumar: Between, like, everyone in the company.
35 00:06:18.330 ⇒ 00:06:19.190 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
36 00:06:20.240 ⇒ 00:06:26.359 Awaish Kumar: Just to understand you, like, obviously we can discuss things from the work, but, like,
37 00:06:26.630 ⇒ 00:06:31.919 Awaish Kumar: Maybe a few things from… which are not part of the work, like, just to understand, you know.
38 00:06:32.310 ⇒ 00:06:35.060 Awaish Kumar: Understand each other as a… as a human.
39 00:06:35.990 ⇒ 00:06:47.669 Robert Tseng: Yeah, of course. I think this is… this is so important, especially, you know, you’ve been working here for almost a year, and, you know, we don’t… we don’t get to spend too much time together, just talking about things outside of work.
40 00:06:47.670 ⇒ 00:06:49.720 Awaish Kumar: I haven’t, haven’t met you in person.
41 00:06:50.040 ⇒ 00:06:56.340 Robert Tseng: What about you? How are… how are things? I guess… Your schedule is, I’m sure.
42 00:06:56.580 ⇒ 00:07:05.670 Robert Tseng: you have to work evenings and, like, you know, then you have your family obligations to everything during the day. How does… how does that look like for you?
43 00:07:07.000 ⇒ 00:07:09.919 Awaish Kumar: For me, it’s also kind of hectic.
44 00:07:10.160 ⇒ 00:07:17.249 Awaish Kumar: In a way that I have to work in nights. Majority of the meetings are in night.
45 00:07:17.740 ⇒ 00:07:18.200 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
46 00:07:18.970 ⇒ 00:07:30.279 Awaish Kumar: So I have to be available for them, and then, sometimes, like, when it’s late, like, I’m not, like, as focused as to do any development, then I have to…
47 00:07:30.740 ⇒ 00:07:35.869 Awaish Kumar: Kind of… also working day to, like, complete the development work.
48 00:07:36.230 ⇒ 00:07:47.070 Awaish Kumar: But yeah, like, but, like, I’ve been mostly spending my time with Sammy on weekends.
49 00:07:47.540 ⇒ 00:07:51.750 Awaish Kumar: Wow. Like, I, I’m… I kind of…
50 00:07:52.450 ⇒ 00:07:56.270 Awaish Kumar: Kind of stay, like, the whole week in my home.
51 00:07:56.440 ⇒ 00:08:02.370 Awaish Kumar: So I… Yeah. It’s like, I just go out, like, no matter what, like, go somewhere.
52 00:08:02.370 ⇒ 00:08:03.010 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
53 00:08:04.860 ⇒ 00:08:11.110 Robert Tseng: Yep, I’m the same way. I can’t… I can’t stay at home too long. I think, I…
54 00:08:12.610 ⇒ 00:08:18.090 Robert Tseng: I guess, I don’t know if you knew this, but I go to law school in the evenings, so…
55 00:08:18.590 ⇒ 00:08:24.619 Robert Tseng: That’s, that’s kind of my getaway from… from the Brainforge work. I…
56 00:08:25.380 ⇒ 00:08:31.159 Robert Tseng: I don’t know, maybe a few years from now, I don’t… I don’t think I see myself staying in tech. I…
57 00:08:31.740 ⇒ 00:08:35.139 Robert Tseng: I think I would like to be working in…
58 00:08:35.580 ⇒ 00:08:51.569 Robert Tseng: I don’t think necessarily for the government, but working with people more directly, so… I do a lot of things, for my local, local church and for my community here, working with, like, people who are imprisoned, like, incarcerated population, or, like, or…
59 00:08:51.570 ⇒ 00:08:58.460 Robert Tseng: or homeless, and so, I think my life after Brainforge will probably not be…
60 00:08:59.620 ⇒ 00:09:05.800 Robert Tseng: data work, I think I would probably end up working more directly with people,
61 00:09:05.920 ⇒ 00:09:13.200 Robert Tseng: I don’t know if I will actually be a practicing lawyer, but I do find the subject matter interesting, and
62 00:09:13.280 ⇒ 00:09:28.289 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think the work is… is… is interesting to me, because it’s… it’s more about relationships and helping people kind of find solutions to their personal… personal problems, not just, like, all about making money, so…
63 00:09:28.500 ⇒ 00:09:30.630 Robert Tseng: Yeah, that’s,
64 00:09:30.830 ⇒ 00:09:36.980 Robert Tseng: I’m at school 4 days a week, so I pretty much spend my afternoons and evenings there.
65 00:09:38.270 ⇒ 00:09:44.330 Awaish Kumar: So, like, how… Yeah, I saw, like, you were… for some…
66 00:09:44.660 ⇒ 00:09:49.880 Awaish Kumar: One in, like, in some nearby country for some…
67 00:09:51.310 ⇒ 00:09:54.169 Awaish Kumar: Like, helping people with data kind of work.
68 00:09:54.590 ⇒ 00:09:57.789 Awaish Kumar: Like, a few weeks, a few weeks back.
69 00:09:58.320 ⇒ 00:10:11.769 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah, that was, like, almost like two and a half, three weeks ago. Yeah, I went to one of the stands. I, I mean, I… when I graduated from college, I lived in Central Asia for a year, so I was in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.
70 00:10:11.880 ⇒ 00:10:15.800 Robert Tseng: So I went back to Kyrgyzstan, two and a half weeks ago.
71 00:10:15.920 ⇒ 00:10:17.210 Robert Tseng: they’re…
72 00:10:17.580 ⇒ 00:10:30.869 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, the time that I was there, I was mostly teaching English, and then kind of there as a student, doing, like, economics research. I thought I was gonna go and go to grad school in the UK, and…
73 00:10:31.050 ⇒ 00:10:49.079 Robert Tseng: I think development work is what I was interested in, so you can think about it like microfinance lending to small businesses in, like, developing countries and helping them kind of get off the ground. So, that’s always been my interest, I guess.
74 00:10:49.820 ⇒ 00:10:58.410 Robert Tseng: But the Kyrgyzstan opportunity came around because I have contacts in the government there that, they’ve been trying to basically
75 00:10:59.680 ⇒ 00:11:05.690 Robert Tseng: boost up their IT worker kind of programs, and trying to wanting
76 00:11:05.830 ⇒ 00:11:13.870 Robert Tseng: to make Kyrgyzstan a more attractive place for Western businesses to come and, like, hire talent there, so…
77 00:11:14.310 ⇒ 00:11:16.239 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I just went there to put on…
78 00:11:16.680 ⇒ 00:11:19.009 Robert Tseng: I worked with a few other, kind of.
79 00:11:19.240 ⇒ 00:11:25.310 Robert Tseng: mostly Silicon Valley engineers, that put on, like, an IT boot camp,
80 00:11:25.310 ⇒ 00:11:39.290 Robert Tseng: both at universities there, and then also, for young professionals in the evening. So, we ran the program, like, 3 times. They’re basically just, like, 2- or 3-day boot camps. you, like, we put together a curriculum.
81 00:11:39.300 ⇒ 00:11:44.980 Robert Tseng: basically teaching them how to build, like, a full-stack web app using ReactJS in the front end.
82 00:11:45.330 ⇒ 00:11:56.109 Robert Tseng: And then Django as the backend. And then for me, like, my contribution was like, oh, and then you need to, connect OpenAI, like, you know,
83 00:11:56.260 ⇒ 00:12:06.410 Robert Tseng: GPT, like, API to your application and have some sort of generative AI component to it. So yeah, it was cool. I mean, we probably…
84 00:12:06.530 ⇒ 00:12:13.409 Robert Tseng: probably, like, around 150 people that, you know, across all three camps that we kind of did, that I connected with.
85 00:12:15.310 ⇒ 00:12:23.760 Robert Tseng: yeah, I don’t know if, like, long-term, like, what I will do with them, but there actually were some business opportunities that came out of that, too, so,
86 00:12:23.940 ⇒ 00:12:29.590 Robert Tseng: Hannah on the partnership side is kind of helping me follow up on some things there.
87 00:12:29.860 ⇒ 00:12:32.610 Robert Tseng: But… but yeah, that was pretty much what I did there.
88 00:12:33.490 ⇒ 00:12:39.720 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, like, I… I also like, like, these kinds of activities. I used to do it when I was in
89 00:12:39.910 ⇒ 00:12:46.199 Awaish Kumar: university… I used to conduct these mentoring sessions with
90 00:12:46.320 ⇒ 00:12:49.559 Awaish Kumar: Like, high school students and things like that.
91 00:12:49.780 ⇒ 00:12:52.970 Awaish Kumar: To, like, try to,
92 00:12:53.870 ⇒ 00:13:13.430 Awaish Kumar: help them guide, like, on a higher ed… like, choosing, like, higher education, pathways, but apart from that, also, like, majority of the people here, I come from, like, it’s a desert area, and, like, to develop. So, like, mainly people are… don’t have that money, like, to go to university, or…
93 00:13:13.530 ⇒ 00:13:26.559 Awaish Kumar: Like, there are a lot of ways, like, there are a lot of universities offer loan scholarships, and there are other different NGOs, they offer scholarships, but, like, that knowledge doesn’t live with them, so…
94 00:13:26.790 ⇒ 00:13:33.200 Awaish Kumar: Like, the internal access is also, like, very, not that great, like, so…
95 00:13:33.340 ⇒ 00:13:39.979 Awaish Kumar: We were the one, like, trying to bridge that with providing them all the knowledge and…
96 00:13:40.180 ⇒ 00:13:43.609 Awaish Kumar: Access to us, like, so, like, if somebody wants to…
97 00:13:43.710 ⇒ 00:13:50.549 Awaish Kumar: Pursue the education, like, they can get their… get our help in their… in the process.
98 00:13:50.830 ⇒ 00:13:52.630 Awaish Kumar: We’ll finally get the… Yeah.
99 00:13:52.830 ⇒ 00:13:59.539 Awaish Kumar: But, like, after coming into the industry, I haven’t done that kind of thing lately.
100 00:14:00.170 ⇒ 00:14:00.820 Robert Tseng: Hmm.
101 00:14:01.310 ⇒ 00:14:04.550 Robert Tseng: Yeah, no, I… that’s great, yeah, that’s… that’s,
102 00:14:05.010 ⇒ 00:14:11.230 Robert Tseng: I mean, especially since you… you identify with the people there, like, obviously, like, I mean, I would say you’re probably…
103 00:14:11.550 ⇒ 00:14:20.950 Robert Tseng: by cream of the crop in your country, like, you know, I got a good education, kind of worked in industry many years, like, worked with a bunch of different businesses, so…
104 00:14:20.950 ⇒ 00:14:40.180 Robert Tseng: For them to see, kind of, like, you and your career, like, I’m sure that brings a lot of, inspiration to the youth there, so… I mean, who knows? I mean, I’ve put on a bunch of these camps, like, if we ever, like… I mean, I’d be interested in coming to Pakistan sometime, and, like, I mean, I want to see the country, and… We will.
105 00:14:40.740 ⇒ 00:14:44.440 Awaish Kumar: I didn’t realize you were in Kyrgyzstan, like, it’s so close, right?
106 00:14:44.440 ⇒ 00:14:47.589 Robert Tseng: Yeah, Kirkstan has spray class. Yeah.
107 00:14:48.210 ⇒ 00:14:58.610 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I don’t know if you’ve ever visited with your family, but it’s a beautiful country, it’s, I mean, I’m not Kyrgyz, but I have been, like, 7 times, like, I love it there, and…
108 00:14:58.830 ⇒ 00:15:05.050 Robert Tseng: My wife and I eventually want to move to Asia, so… She’s, she’s in,
109 00:15:05.400 ⇒ 00:15:08.499 Robert Tseng: she’s in Hong Kong right now, same family, and…
110 00:15:09.480 ⇒ 00:15:14.670 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, I could see myself living in one of the stands, like, eventually, so…
111 00:15:15.350 ⇒ 00:15:25.439 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think it’s just an exciting part of… I mean, I don’t know if Pakistan is like this, but in Kyrgyzstan, like, 85% of the population is under the age of 35.
112 00:15:25.600 ⇒ 00:15:29.940 Robert Tseng: So, very young population. When you go there.
113 00:15:29.940 ⇒ 00:15:32.360 Awaish Kumar: 65% of the people here also live.
114 00:15:32.730 ⇒ 00:15:37.949 Robert Tseng: Really? Okay. Yeah, I mean, I just like being around, like, young energy. I think people…
115 00:15:38.780 ⇒ 00:15:40.909 Robert Tseng: Have a lot of hope, and, like.
116 00:15:41.720 ⇒ 00:16:01.720 Robert Tseng: you know, very opportunistic, want to see, like, you know, want to bring change to their country. So, yeah, I mean, it’s very different from the States, where here, it’s an aging population, you know, like, people are having fewer and fewer kids, like, you have all these people that are recently retired, like, like my parents’ generation and stuff, so…
117 00:16:02.820 ⇒ 00:16:06.740 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, it’s… it’s a very divided country right now, because…
118 00:16:06.930 ⇒ 00:16:23.230 Robert Tseng: you know, I don’t want to talk too much about politics, but… I mean, I think it’s just realistic. I mean, yeah, you just… you have all these old people, and then you have all these young people, and there’s, the perspective has changed a lot. So, I do feel like in probably Pakistan, or in Kyrgyzstan.
119 00:16:23.310 ⇒ 00:16:33.239 Robert Tseng: because the majority is all kind of, like, really young, like, they’re… they’re quite open-minded, I think, and there’s a lot of, like, exciting change that’s happening, so…
120 00:16:34.010 ⇒ 00:16:39.079 Robert Tseng: I just… I like being around that, so I could see myself living in a country like that.
121 00:16:39.420 ⇒ 00:16:43.590 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, we’ve been to Azerbaijan, and it was really…
122 00:16:43.590 ⇒ 00:16:44.140 Robert Tseng: Oh, yeah.
123 00:16:44.140 ⇒ 00:16:45.040 Awaish Kumar: Next country.
124 00:16:45.610 ⇒ 00:16:53.129 Robert Tseng: Okay. Yeah, no, I mean, I’m sure all of the… I mean, all the countries there, and, like, everybody’s so hospitable, it’s more, like…
125 00:16:53.190 ⇒ 00:17:07.340 Robert Tseng: community-centered kind of place, people are more grounded, you know, they… family’s important to them, you know, faith is important to a lot of people there. I mean, here in America, everyone’s very individualistic, especially in a country like… or in a city like New York.
126 00:17:07.640 ⇒ 00:17:10.200 Robert Tseng: I mean, it’s great energy here too, but, like.
127 00:17:10.470 ⇒ 00:17:18.250 Robert Tseng: everybody here is… is… is here for, like, chasing their dream. There’s, like, some ambition that’s keeping them here, and
128 00:17:18.400 ⇒ 00:17:28.059 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, I meet a lot of really capable people, but it’s just like a revolving door. People are coming in and out. Like, I’ve been here for almost 2 years, and it still feels like
129 00:17:28.270 ⇒ 00:17:44.280 Robert Tseng: it’s hard to, like, know who, like, my core community is, and who my, like, core friends are, or whatever. So, yeah, it’s just a very different, lifestyle. I don’t think… I don’t… I wouldn’t see myself living here forever. It’s exhausting living in New York. Yeah.
130 00:17:44.280 ⇒ 00:17:47.500 Awaish Kumar: Like, you were born in the US?
131 00:17:48.180 ⇒ 00:17:58.270 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I was born and raised in the US, but I’ve lived in other countries. My family’s from Taiwan, so I lived there. I did, like, an exchange thing when I was, like, young.
132 00:17:58.270 ⇒ 00:18:09.030 Robert Tseng: Just so they could have me learn Chinese. And then, when I went to university, I did 3 years abroad, so I was in Hong Kong and Italy, mostly.
133 00:18:09.880 ⇒ 00:18:10.660 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
134 00:18:11.970 ⇒ 00:18:15.709 Robert Tseng: So, yeah, I mean, I… I don’t think I’m, like, a…
135 00:18:17.640 ⇒ 00:18:27.800 Robert Tseng: And yeah, I’m not that American, I would say, if it’s not obvious. I’m not… yeah, I think I… I enjoy living in other parts of the world, too, so…
136 00:18:28.100 ⇒ 00:18:28.870 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
137 00:18:28.870 ⇒ 00:18:35.089 Awaish Kumar: I have lived in, like, 3 years in… in Europe, and then…
138 00:18:35.340 ⇒ 00:18:37.680 Awaish Kumar: like, almost a year in Canada.
139 00:18:37.840 ⇒ 00:18:38.590 Awaish Kumar: So, like.
140 00:18:38.590 ⇒ 00:18:39.829 Robert Tseng: What part of Europe?
141 00:18:40.450 ⇒ 00:18:42.370 Awaish Kumar: 3 years in, like, Copenhagen.
142 00:18:42.780 ⇒ 00:18:44.640 Robert Tseng: Copenhagen. Oh, cool!
143 00:18:45.580 ⇒ 00:18:49.700 Robert Tseng: Yeah, huh.
144 00:18:50.580 ⇒ 00:18:51.649 Awaish Kumar: So, you go ahead.
145 00:18:51.920 ⇒ 00:18:54.860 Robert Tseng: No, no, I was gonna ask you, like, how was Copenhagen?
146 00:18:54.860 ⇒ 00:19:04.390 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, it was a wonderful experience, but like, as you mentioned, like, all the Western countries are almost same in a way that they…
147 00:19:04.960 ⇒ 00:19:13.400 Awaish Kumar: like, individualist, like, almost, like, everybody just thinks of himself, and chasing a dream, or revealing something.
148 00:19:13.400 ⇒ 00:19:13.750 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
149 00:19:13.840 ⇒ 00:19:20.980 Awaish Kumar: Right. So, yeah, for me, what was also like this, like,
150 00:19:21.620 ⇒ 00:19:28.870 Awaish Kumar: I’m also the kind of person who wants to meet people, and, like, friends and family and things like that, and being.
151 00:19:28.870 ⇒ 00:19:29.210 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
152 00:19:29.240 ⇒ 00:19:49.209 Awaish Kumar: It’s really hard to figure out, like, you only meet people, from your office, maybe, and then, like, there’s a professional line, like, draws between saying them friend, or, like, are they just colleagues, or… what actually the relationship is, right? Same, like…
153 00:19:49.210 ⇒ 00:19:49.909 Robert Tseng: They are.
154 00:19:50.670 ⇒ 00:19:54.969 Awaish Kumar: Same with, like, many people I met there, so I haven’t actually…
155 00:19:55.110 ⇒ 00:20:01.610 Awaish Kumar: able to… I had, like, many connections, but I’m not able to say, like, anyone as, like, friends with.
156 00:20:02.200 ⇒ 00:20:02.860 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
157 00:20:03.910 ⇒ 00:20:07.210 Robert Tseng: And what… are you in, Karachi, or are you in Lahore?
158 00:20:07.210 ⇒ 00:20:08.299 Awaish Kumar: I’m in Karachi.
159 00:20:08.640 ⇒ 00:20:11.739 Robert Tseng: You’re in Karachi? Oh, I’m like, I have it pulled up here.
160 00:20:12.590 ⇒ 00:20:14.890 Robert Tseng: Yeah, oh, okay, that’s cool.
161 00:20:16.090 ⇒ 00:20:16.770 Awaish Kumar: Yeah.
162 00:20:20.430 ⇒ 00:20:23.559 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I’ve never… I’ve never been to… never been to Pakistan.
163 00:20:23.660 ⇒ 00:20:24.470 Robert Tseng: Correct.
164 00:20:25.050 ⇒ 00:20:31.780 Robert Tseng: Okay. Yeah, I mean, wow, I was… I was actually really close. I was only, like, 2 or 3 countries away.
165 00:20:31.970 ⇒ 00:20:33.919 Robert Tseng: That’s, that’s interesting.
166 00:20:34.380 ⇒ 00:20:48.870 Robert Tseng: Yeah, well, I mean, I go back to Central Asia. I used to go back every year, every two years, so… next time I go, if I go next year, like, I think I’ll… I’ll cut my Pakistan. I’d love, I’d love to… I’d love to see Karachi.
167 00:20:50.060 ⇒ 00:20:51.310 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, so…
168 00:20:51.610 ⇒ 00:20:52.290 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
169 00:20:53.820 ⇒ 00:21:00.139 Awaish Kumar: like, garage is… is a… is a metropolitan city, but… Yeah.
170 00:21:00.390 ⇒ 00:21:02.770 Awaish Kumar: very crowded. So, like.
171 00:21:02.770 ⇒ 00:21:03.150 Robert Tseng: Hmm.
172 00:21:03.150 ⇒ 00:21:11.739 Awaish Kumar: prepare, like, I don’t think it would be anywhere near to New York, or even, like, Kyrgyzstan cities, because
173 00:21:11.910 ⇒ 00:21:15.850 Awaish Kumar: the population in Kyrgyzstan is very low, right?
174 00:21:15.850 ⇒ 00:21:16.460 Robert Tseng: Yeah, very low.
175 00:21:16.460 ⇒ 00:21:17.800 Awaish Kumar: I’m excited.
176 00:21:18.350 ⇒ 00:21:22.079 Awaish Kumar: Pakistan is, like, almost, like, 30 million people.
177 00:21:23.180 ⇒ 00:21:26.060 Robert Tseng: How many people in, in Karachi?
178 00:21:26.270 ⇒ 00:21:34.870 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, so I would, like, the official numbers are, like, maybe… like… 20 million?
179 00:21:35.730 ⇒ 00:21:37.440 Robert Tseng: 20 million in one city?
180 00:21:37.740 ⇒ 00:21:38.670 Awaish Kumar: Aye.
181 00:21:39.120 ⇒ 00:21:43.960 Robert Tseng: That’s crazy! That’s like Singapore, I guess, or more.
182 00:21:43.960 ⇒ 00:21:48.290 Awaish Kumar: Like, unofficially, this number is even higher.
183 00:21:48.880 ⇒ 00:21:49.550 Robert Tseng: Huh.
184 00:21:51.140 ⇒ 00:21:52.540 Robert Tseng: Interesting.
185 00:21:53.190 ⇒ 00:21:58.280 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, and then the reason is that the rural areas are not so developed.
186 00:21:58.950 ⇒ 00:22:05.509 Awaish Kumar: So, almost everybody comes into, like, Karachi to make a living.
187 00:22:05.510 ⇒ 00:22:06.410 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
188 00:22:06.410 ⇒ 00:22:18.130 Awaish Kumar: And only those who live, live in, like, in rural areas are those which are basically dependent on, their children’s money, or their husband’s money, or things like that, so…
189 00:22:18.130 ⇒ 00:22:18.760 Robert Tseng: Hmm.
190 00:22:18.760 ⇒ 00:22:26.860 Awaish Kumar: actually, like, your… maybe parents were retired, they can… they live in their old houses in… Yeah. And then you just…
191 00:22:27.220 ⇒ 00:22:35.369 Awaish Kumar: someone from their, like, either their son or someone sends the money, like… Yeah. Rural areas are not so…
192 00:22:35.850 ⇒ 00:22:39.739 Awaish Kumar: like, developed economically, or in terms of, like… Yeah.
193 00:22:41.280 ⇒ 00:22:47.149 Robert Tseng: Yeah, Kyrgyzstan’s like that, too. I mean… I mean, it’s a much younger country than Pakistan is, I guess, like…
194 00:22:47.300 ⇒ 00:23:03.579 Robert Tseng: the, the capital, Bishkek, is where I was. Nobody’s really from there, like, everyone’s from other places, other regions. They go there to work, and, like, there’s only maybe been, like, one or two generations at this… probably two generations that have maybe lived in the city, so…
195 00:23:03.600 ⇒ 00:23:15.529 Robert Tseng: Yeah, it’s… you know, when the holiday comes, like, everyone leaves the city, you know, like, it’s a pretty empty city. They all go back to their… to their, you know, villages or wherever to… yeah, so…
196 00:23:15.760 ⇒ 00:23:23.889 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, everybody goes back, like, in… in any, like, big festivals, like, almost half the city is empty.
197 00:23:23.890 ⇒ 00:23:26.090 Robert Tseng: Is that… yeah, okay. Yeah.
198 00:23:26.440 ⇒ 00:23:29.300 Robert Tseng: When’s a good time to come? I’m… yeah.
199 00:23:30.450 ⇒ 00:23:34.180 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, if you wanna visit, like, Kachi.
200 00:23:34.620 ⇒ 00:23:35.350 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
201 00:23:35.350 ⇒ 00:23:40.170 Awaish Kumar: And the, like, the… the Sindh province, where… where I live.
202 00:23:40.710 ⇒ 00:23:41.350 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
203 00:23:41.350 ⇒ 00:23:43.360 Awaish Kumar: It’s better to visit in winters.
204 00:23:44.070 ⇒ 00:23:46.410 Robert Tseng: Or… Okay. In the spring.
205 00:23:47.390 ⇒ 00:23:48.720 Robert Tseng: Winter or spring?
206 00:23:49.360 ⇒ 00:23:50.180 Robert Tseng: Okay.
207 00:23:50.180 ⇒ 00:23:54.350 Awaish Kumar: like, from October to, like, December, maybe, somewhere.
208 00:23:54.970 ⇒ 00:23:55.490 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
209 00:23:55.490 ⇒ 00:23:58.660 Awaish Kumar: And, like, you can see the…
210 00:23:58.800 ⇒ 00:24:02.260 Awaish Kumar: City, you can go to the desert, I took Bob.
211 00:24:02.260 ⇒ 00:24:02.760 Robert Tseng: Hmm.
212 00:24:02.760 ⇒ 00:24:04.970 Awaish Kumar: border… which borders India?
213 00:24:04.970 ⇒ 00:24:05.400 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
214 00:24:05.400 ⇒ 00:24:08.219 Awaish Kumar: It becomes really nice in the rainy season.
215 00:24:08.350 ⇒ 00:24:14.860 Awaish Kumar: But if you want to visit, like, the northern side of the country, it’s like Kashmir,
216 00:24:15.240 ⇒ 00:24:16.590 Awaish Kumar: And,
217 00:24:16.710 ⇒ 00:24:29.789 Awaish Kumar: some, some, like, really… one of the provinces is called KPK. Yeah. There are, like, mountains, glaciers, all the big, like, there are very famous glaciers there.
218 00:24:29.970 ⇒ 00:24:30.880 Awaish Kumar: And, and…
219 00:24:30.880 ⇒ 00:24:31.310 Robert Tseng: Wow.
220 00:24:31.310 ⇒ 00:24:34.720 Awaish Kumar: them, you have to visit, like, in April, May.
221 00:24:36.230 ⇒ 00:24:40.680 Robert Tseng: I see. This is, like, closer to, like, Islamabad, or, like…
222 00:24:41.010 ⇒ 00:24:41.810 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, yeah.
223 00:24:42.480 ⇒ 00:24:43.230 Robert Tseng: Okay.
224 00:24:43.740 ⇒ 00:24:44.460 Robert Tseng: Interesting.
225 00:24:44.460 ⇒ 00:24:45.400 Awaish Kumar: Excellent, bud.
226 00:24:45.510 ⇒ 00:24:48.470 Awaish Kumar: Swanbad is also a mountain region.
227 00:24:48.680 ⇒ 00:24:49.460 Awaish Kumar: Fun, fun.
228 00:24:49.460 ⇒ 00:24:49.950 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
229 00:24:49.980 ⇒ 00:24:52.569 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, you just go further north.
230 00:24:52.700 ⇒ 00:24:57.290 Awaish Kumar: Do… like, the Sharma.
231 00:24:58.660 ⇒ 00:24:59.490 Robert Tseng: I see.
232 00:25:00.440 ⇒ 00:25:01.510 Robert Tseng: Cool.
233 00:25:01.810 ⇒ 00:25:05.490 Robert Tseng: Yeah, well, I mean, just, like, there’s, so…
234 00:25:05.650 ⇒ 00:25:12.590 Robert Tseng: Kyrgyzstan’s been hosting this, like, data and AI kind of summit for Central Asia for the past two years.
235 00:25:13.860 ⇒ 00:25:17.840 Robert Tseng: They… they hosted in the spring, pretty much, like, March or April.
236 00:25:18.070 ⇒ 00:25:26.060 Robert Tseng: So there’s a possibility… I’m trying to get Brainforge, like, in as, like, a speaker there, and, like, we can just… yeah, so…
237 00:25:26.290 ⇒ 00:25:34.299 Robert Tseng: you know, if that ends up working out, and well, yeah, I mean, you’re not… you’re not far. Maybe that could be a cool business… business trip kind of thing to bring you on.
238 00:25:34.930 ⇒ 00:25:35.790 Awaish Kumar: Yeah.
239 00:25:36.490 ⇒ 00:25:37.160 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
240 00:25:37.280 ⇒ 00:25:38.110 Robert Tseng: So…
241 00:25:38.460 ⇒ 00:25:58.319 Robert Tseng: Yeah, because I was telling Utah, yeah, there’s a possibility I would go back to Kyrgyzstan again next year. One, I have, like, a wedding in, like, April that I haven’t decided I’m going to go, but if it lines up with this conference that we can just go to, then, and we get to basically be an exhibitor and speaker, like, I think we would consider going, so…
242 00:25:58.610 ⇒ 00:26:00.190 Awaish Kumar: Okay, yep.
243 00:26:00.190 ⇒ 00:26:00.750 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
244 00:26:00.750 ⇒ 00:26:02.340 Awaish Kumar: Windows in play.
245 00:26:02.580 ⇒ 00:26:03.260 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
246 00:26:04.260 ⇒ 00:26:06.430 Robert Tseng: Cool.
247 00:26:07.370 ⇒ 00:26:20.119 Robert Tseng: Yeah, well, I mean, I think I always appreciate, kind of, the… obviously, you’re a great engineer, but, you know, you look out for the team, and, I know it’s tough being in a remote company.
248 00:26:20.290 ⇒ 00:26:24.239 Robert Tseng: Especially since there aren’t many colleagues in your side of the world.
249 00:26:25.900 ⇒ 00:26:32.640 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, I… I… I… hopefully… I mean, we don’t… It’s kind of hard to…
250 00:26:32.910 ⇒ 00:26:39.010 Robert Tseng: make any… any plans, like, these days, you know, things… travel kind of restrictions keep changing, or whatever, but…
251 00:26:39.480 ⇒ 00:26:55.260 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think… I think these coffee chats are great, and I’m happy to meet with you more, more regularly, too. I’d love to get to know you a bit… get to know you more, you know? So, I think, I feel like business, yes, like, things are speeding up, but then also, like.
252 00:26:55.440 ⇒ 00:27:11.149 Robert Tseng: things… some things have slowed down, too, so I think, I… I think this is what helps us kind of, like, stay in the game for longer. Can’t just be sprinting all the time, and being able to kind of just remember the people that we’re working with is,
253 00:27:11.340 ⇒ 00:27:18.679 Robert Tseng: That’s true. I think, to me, that’s why I do it. Like, I like service businesses, because I like working with people.
254 00:27:19.500 ⇒ 00:27:25.000 Robert Tseng: So, I think… That’s why… that’s why I’m still here, I guess.
255 00:27:25.020 ⇒ 00:27:26.560 Awaish Kumar: But yeah.
256 00:27:27.520 ⇒ 00:27:33.930 Awaish Kumar: I also, like, would like to meet you often. Like, I, from my perspective.
257 00:27:34.020 ⇒ 00:27:44.489 Awaish Kumar: from the engineering side, I try to, like, make things as efficient as they are, but I don’t have the other perspective, like, from client side, or from your side.
258 00:27:44.490 ⇒ 00:27:54.049 Awaish Kumar: how things are going, or if things are slowed down, or they’re not up to the mark, like, as you want to see it, or as client wants to see it.
259 00:27:54.860 ⇒ 00:27:55.270 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
260 00:27:55.270 ⇒ 00:28:01.219 Awaish Kumar: That… that would be, like, also a great platform to have, like, like, gather feedback from you.
261 00:28:01.930 ⇒ 00:28:02.600 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
262 00:28:02.890 ⇒ 00:28:09.960 Robert Tseng: Yeah, well, I mean, you’re on the manager calls and things. I know we’re always kind of just going through checklists, but yeah, if you ever want to just kind of… I mean.
263 00:28:10.310 ⇒ 00:28:21.589 Robert Tseng: What I’d like to do is more creating, yeah, we just need better feedback loops between, kind of, the engineering side, and then also on the delivery side.
264 00:28:21.680 ⇒ 00:28:27.110 Awaish Kumar: So on the delivery side, when Amber and Justin are running it, they’re really kind of focusing on.
265 00:28:27.330 ⇒ 00:28:41.569 Robert Tseng: you know, margins and hours and all that. I think for me, I have more, maybe, a little bit… I’m a little bit more dissent from that, and I care more about, like, how the clients perceive us. But that’s a… that’s a good point. I should… I should give more, kind of, like.
266 00:28:41.870 ⇒ 00:28:48.639 Robert Tseng: client, updates, because I do talk to all these, you know, And, not in…
267 00:28:48.870 ⇒ 00:28:54.570 Robert Tseng: Yeah, not everything should just come from us internally, but I should be passing on feedback that we get from the clients a bit more.
268 00:28:55.090 ⇒ 00:28:59.870 Robert Tseng: So I think I can figure out what’s a good way to do that.
269 00:29:00.520 ⇒ 00:29:01.040 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
270 00:29:01.040 ⇒ 00:29:01.910 Awaish Kumar: Yep.
271 00:29:02.220 ⇒ 00:29:10.740 Awaish Kumar: Look, like, we are having stand-ups and everything, obviously you are there, you can provide feedback, I was just hoping more, like,
272 00:29:10.740 ⇒ 00:29:23.690 Awaish Kumar: on maybe feedback for myself, also, to improve, like, where could I improve myself, or how can I help you more on, like, these things, or, for example, XYZ, or…
273 00:29:23.710 ⇒ 00:29:26.609 Awaish Kumar: I just fall off from, like, what we wanted, and…
274 00:29:26.650 ⇒ 00:29:34.029 Awaish Kumar: So, like that. So, obviously, like, we have… we are in manager’s call, we are in stand-ups, doing meetings, everything.
275 00:29:34.030 ⇒ 00:29:34.550 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
276 00:29:34.550 ⇒ 00:29:36.449 Awaish Kumar: It was just to like you.
277 00:29:37.130 ⇒ 00:29:41.900 Awaish Kumar: Build more of a… Relationship would be nice.
278 00:29:42.630 ⇒ 00:29:58.660 Robert Tseng: Sure, yeah, no, I think that’s… that’s fair. Okay, I see what you’re saying. I mean, I think, with the Remo situation, I know, it kind of was a slow start, but I feel like I’m pretty hands-off with that, and kind of giving… kind of pushing it more on… on your plate to kind of go and…
279 00:29:58.750 ⇒ 00:30:16.880 Robert Tseng: I mean, I know you’ve never worked with Surf before, so that makes me a bit cautious as well, because I’m not really sure how… how reliable he is, to be honest, because I’ve never worked with him. So, yeah, I mean, I… you know, however I can support you there, you know, just let me know, but I’m hoping, you know, that’s gonna give you more, kind of.
280 00:30:17.870 ⇒ 00:30:28.329 Robert Tseng: you’ll have more ownership of the relationship as well, especially with the remote people. They can be difficult, and I’m obviously there to kind of help on that front, but
281 00:30:28.630 ⇒ 00:30:37.429 Robert Tseng: I think you’ll… you’ll have… you’ll… you’ll have… like, you’re gonna own the relationship more than I will with those guys. So, I think that’s kind of the hope there.
282 00:30:38.800 ⇒ 00:30:39.590 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
283 00:30:39.890 ⇒ 00:30:40.210 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
284 00:30:41.970 ⇒ 00:30:44.249 Awaish Kumar: Okay, so we are about…
285 00:30:44.540 ⇒ 00:30:50.979 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, it’s about time, so I was really enjoying this conversation, but we are at the end of it.
286 00:30:51.410 ⇒ 00:30:52.040 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
287 00:30:52.790 ⇒ 00:30:56.889 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, I just have one final thing about the recent message for FoamPro.
288 00:30:57.070 ⇒ 00:30:58.099 Awaish Kumar: I was not…
289 00:30:58.460 ⇒ 00:31:01.430 Awaish Kumar: I was looking at the Loom video, but when we.
290 00:31:01.430 ⇒ 00:31:01.830 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
291 00:31:01.830 ⇒ 00:31:07.470 Awaish Kumar: His team, 10 reports, like… how… where could I see it? Like, there’s… isn’t any Excel sheet, or…
292 00:31:09.160 ⇒ 00:31:09.810 Awaish Kumar: Thank you.
293 00:31:09.810 ⇒ 00:31:11.110 Robert Tseng: Is there a what? Sorry.
294 00:31:11.230 ⇒ 00:31:20.349 Awaish Kumar: You mentioned about these 10 different reports they are looking to build. Yeah. And you shared, like, PDFs. I haven’t looked at the PDFs, but does they contain the
295 00:31:20.600 ⇒ 00:31:22.619 Awaish Kumar: Like, the exact reports they want?
296 00:31:23.200 ⇒ 00:31:34.689 Robert Tseng: Oh, yeah, so the PDFs, I’m gonna make some adjustments. I thought it was more like, you know, classic get the data into a data warehouse, build modeling, and then build some BI.
297 00:31:34.720 ⇒ 00:31:53.680 Robert Tseng: like, I don’t think they need BI, I think they just want to be able to get the data modeled in the warehouse and be able to pull those reports, more regularly. Because apparently it takes a long time to get to those reports. Like, I think it took them a few hours… a couple hours in order to, like, show me those said reports. And I… but yeah, so…
298 00:31:53.710 ⇒ 00:32:08.329 Robert Tseng: But yeah, I think I’m a bit cautious, because I’m like, well, this is an ERP system we’ve never worked with before, there might be a lot of modeling. It’s very broad, there’s, like, all this customer order data, there’s inventory data, then there’s all this accounting data as well, so…
299 00:32:08.330 ⇒ 00:32:14.359 Robert Tseng: I feel like it’s a bigger… it’s a wide range, so I might want to narrow it a bit more, which I’ve given the feedback on.
300 00:32:14.480 ⇒ 00:32:29.410 Robert Tseng: But yeah, as far as, like, the output, it’s pretty… it’s more straightforward, like, it’s… there’s no visualization. I think we just need to give them, like, tables. So, or they’re just like, yeah, we just need to be able to get the data into that… into a similar format for them, so…
301 00:32:29.800 ⇒ 00:32:36.559 Robert Tseng: I do… in that sense, like, I do think it’s a bit easier, because we’re not having to be that creative with what we’re building.
302 00:32:37.310 ⇒ 00:32:43.489 Awaish Kumar: Like, but you wanted my estimations. I’m… I was more… Asking about that, like.
303 00:32:45.580 ⇒ 00:32:51.679 Robert Tseng: Oh, yeah, well, I guess kind of just, like, well, what do you… what do you think, how long do you think it would take us, like.
304 00:32:52.580 ⇒ 00:32:59.489 Robert Tseng: Yeah, like, I… No, if you understood, kind of, the…
305 00:33:00.360 ⇒ 00:33:02.820 Awaish Kumar: The outputs that they’re looking for, like.
306 00:33:03.730 ⇒ 00:33:05.400 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think it’s…
307 00:33:05.400 ⇒ 00:33:14.059 Awaish Kumar: In the video, you are showing some Google Sheet. I could see that, like, are all the 10 reports, like, like that, or…
308 00:33:14.060 ⇒ 00:33:14.920 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah.
309 00:33:16.150 ⇒ 00:33:22.300 Robert Tseng: Oh, did I not go through all 10 in the video? I thought I kind of, like, I clicked through all 10 of them. I mean, they all look pretty similar,
310 00:33:22.690 ⇒ 00:33:26.500 Robert Tseng: I mean, they’re just tables, I guess, but like, yeah, so…
311 00:33:27.120 ⇒ 00:33:34.499 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, like, it’s just… it’s just Google Sheet, like, we could easily build it, like, there’s no fancy Google formatting.
312 00:33:34.500 ⇒ 00:33:39.519 Robert Tseng: Yeah, no form… yeah, there’s… they just really need table-looking things, so it’s nothing… yeah.
313 00:33:40.920 ⇒ 00:33:41.840 Awaish Kumar: Yeah.
314 00:33:42.130 ⇒ 00:33:58.489 Awaish Kumar: I can look into it further, and I want me to, like, estimate it, like, report by report, like, we want, like, maybe, like, connecting with data warehouse for, like, maybe one week, then modeling one more week, and then final reports, like, one more week, things like that, or…
315 00:33:58.950 ⇒ 00:34:05.579 Robert Tseng: Yeah, or like, you know, that… if you could tell from… I can share the folder with you as well, but if you can…
316 00:34:06.410 ⇒ 00:34:19.190 Robert Tseng: I think we have to basically kind of define, like, what the models are. We’re… like, I think it’s… this is a pretty heavy data modeling, like, task kind of thing. So, like, if we could put together, like, a…
317 00:34:19.520 ⇒ 00:34:27.949 Awaish Kumar: architecture diagram that shows us, like, these are the… this is what the schema is going to look like in order for us to be able to build these reports. I think that that would probably…
318 00:34:28.139 ⇒ 00:34:32.140 Awaish Kumar: Be a helpful visual to share with them, and then you can tell me how long that’s gonna take.
319 00:34:32.859 ⇒ 00:34:35.029 Awaish Kumar: Okay, there, there are…
320 00:34:35.289 ⇒ 00:34:45.179 Awaish Kumar: the kind of… the way you are explaining, we have multiple reports, which may be coming from multiple different mods, right? And for that, like.
321 00:34:45.309 ⇒ 00:34:49.759 Awaish Kumar: From one warehouse, we might build, like, maybe 4 to 5 mods, which are.
322 00:34:49.760 ⇒ 00:34:50.300 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
323 00:34:50.370 ⇒ 00:34:52.309 Awaish Kumar: these 10 reports. Then I.
324 00:34:52.310 ⇒ 00:34:53.020 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
325 00:34:53.230 ⇒ 00:34:57.319 Awaish Kumar: Build, actually, some kind of threat and dimension tables for realization.
326 00:34:57.920 ⇒ 00:35:03.680 Robert Tseng: Exactly, yeah. And it’s all coming from one source, like, you know, supposedly it’s just a single ERP.
327 00:35:03.680 ⇒ 00:35:11.670 Awaish Kumar: When you first shared about Phone Pro, I actually researched a bit about Sage 100, because I never worked with it before.
328 00:35:11.670 ⇒ 00:35:12.260 Robert Tseng: Okay.
329 00:35:12.260 ⇒ 00:35:17.950 Awaish Kumar: what it is, and how it shares the data. I’ve actually looked into ChatGPT and
330 00:35:18.120 ⇒ 00:35:20.140 Awaish Kumar: Kind of exploded. Okay. Like…
331 00:35:20.470 ⇒ 00:35:27.959 Awaish Kumar: like, I have to build multiple marks there. I can go into it and actually come up with some diagram.
332 00:35:28.430 ⇒ 00:35:39.130 Robert Tseng: Okay, great. Yeah. I think I’m going to end up pushing the proposal cost higher than what it is currently, but… because I think it’s a bigger scope than what I originally thought, but yeah, okay.
333 00:35:40.560 ⇒ 00:35:41.200 Awaish Kumar: Yep.
334 00:35:41.200 ⇒ 00:35:47.839 Robert Tseng: Yeah, if you could just get that to me by tomorrow, I think that’d be ideal, just so I could send them something out of the week, but yeah, no, no rush.
335 00:35:48.400 ⇒ 00:35:49.799 Awaish Kumar: Okay, no, thank you.
336 00:35:50.240 ⇒ 00:35:52.160 Robert Tseng: Thanks. Alright, talk to you later.
337 00:35:52.350 ⇒ 00:35:53.100 Robert Tseng: Bye.