Meeting Title: Brainforge New Team Member Introduction Date: 2025-09-22 Meeting participants: Samuel Roberts, Justin Breshears
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1 00:00:25.710 ⇒ 00:00:26.760 Samuel Roberts: Where are you?
2 00:00:32.030 ⇒ 00:00:40.529 Justin Breshears: Hey, sorry, I was just trying to get my mic and all that set up. No, you’re good, you’re good. Oh, I like the background. Can you hear me okay?
3 00:00:40.840 ⇒ 00:00:42.190 Samuel Roberts: Anne, yes, can you hear me?
4 00:00:42.380 ⇒ 00:00:43.310 Justin Breshears: Yes.
5 00:00:45.860 ⇒ 00:00:53.020 Justin Breshears: See, okay, cool. I’m getting my, laptop all set up, this morning, so just changing all the settings and everything, but…
6 00:00:53.880 ⇒ 00:00:58.510 Justin Breshears: Yeah, and then I found this, this background on the Google Drive, just poking around. I was like.
7 00:00:58.510 ⇒ 00:01:00.059 Samuel Roberts: That’s… that’s nice, I like that.
8 00:01:00.060 ⇒ 00:01:04.140 Justin Breshears: Yeah, just get it, all company-branded and everything.
9 00:01:05.440 ⇒ 00:01:18.319 Justin Breshears: Well, I appreciate you taking the time. I don’t want to take a ton of time out of your day or anything, but being new, I just kind of want to get to know everybody a little bit before, you know, just diving into all the… all the work stuff, right?
10 00:01:18.320 ⇒ 00:01:19.209 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah.
11 00:01:19.210 ⇒ 00:01:26.600 Justin Breshears: we’re all human beings, and, you know, I like to get to know people’s stories, so, tell me, where are you located first?
12 00:01:26.770 ⇒ 00:01:28.430 Samuel Roberts: I’m in Cleveland, Ohio.
13 00:01:28.640 ⇒ 00:01:31.409 Justin Breshears: Okay, cool. That’s right. We were talking about that on the.
14 00:01:31.410 ⇒ 00:01:33.139 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cleveland Heights, Texas.
15 00:01:33.140 ⇒ 00:01:34.229 Justin Breshears: Enjoying the weather.
16 00:01:34.430 ⇒ 00:01:39.190 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, it’s… supposed to rain today, because I was working out on the duck the last few days, but…
17 00:01:39.500 ⇒ 00:01:42.789 Samuel Roberts: really sunny out right now, so I’m hoping it’s good. I might move out there, but…
18 00:01:42.790 ⇒ 00:01:43.620 Justin Breshears: Yeah, nice.
19 00:01:43.620 ⇒ 00:01:46.390 Samuel Roberts: We’ll see. Yeah. And you’re in… Texas.
20 00:01:46.390 ⇒ 00:01:49.300 Justin Breshears: I’m in Texas, yeah, outside of Houston.
21 00:01:49.300 ⇒ 00:01:49.780 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
22 00:01:49.780 ⇒ 00:01:50.490 Justin Breshears: Boom.
23 00:01:50.850 ⇒ 00:01:56.579 Justin Breshears: It’s what I call the armpit of Texas. It’s nice and… nice and humid and sweaty. Oh, yeah.
24 00:01:56.580 ⇒ 00:01:59.869 Samuel Roberts: I’ve only… I think… I’m trying to think… I think I had a friend…
25 00:02:00.080 ⇒ 00:02:07.820 Samuel Roberts: In Houston, so we stayed there on a road trip one time in college, but I didn’t get to see much, you know. We were just driving through on a big road trip.
26 00:02:08.310 ⇒ 00:02:13.450 Justin Breshears: Well, yeah, it’s not the… not the prettiest area. We live here because my wife’s family is here, and…
27 00:02:13.450 ⇒ 00:02:13.800 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
28 00:02:13.800 ⇒ 00:02:18.640 Justin Breshears: When we started having kids, we were like, hmm, it’d be nice to be close to some family, so…
29 00:02:18.700 ⇒ 00:02:20.669 Samuel Roberts: We’re getting to that point as well.
30 00:02:20.670 ⇒ 00:02:26.250 Justin Breshears: We don’t live here for the aesthetics, because we moved from Austin, which is, like, way more beautiful, so…
31 00:02:26.250 ⇒ 00:02:30.639 Samuel Roberts: Sure, yeah. No, yeah, we just… we just had a son 3 months ago.
32 00:02:30.780 ⇒ 00:02:35.949 Justin Breshears: And so, my mother-in-law is here now, but she’s in Cincinnati, and my parents are in Boston, so we’re like…
33 00:02:36.490 ⇒ 00:02:40.990 Samuel Roberts: It’s, it’s interesting not having family nearby. You gotta… gotta make it work sometimes.
34 00:02:40.990 ⇒ 00:02:42.749 Justin Breshears: Is that… is that your first?
35 00:02:43.400 ⇒ 00:02:56.040 Justin Breshears: Yeah, that’s exactly what happened with us with our first. We were living in Austin, family was, you know, 3 hours away, both directions, and we were like, man, it’d be… it’d be pretty nice to have that support, so…
36 00:02:56.040 ⇒ 00:02:57.140 Samuel Roberts: Definitely, yeah.
37 00:02:57.140 ⇒ 00:03:03.040 Justin Breshears: I get where you’re at. It was about 2 months into my daughter’s life that we were like, okay, time to move.
38 00:03:03.520 ⇒ 00:03:04.600 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah.
39 00:03:04.750 ⇒ 00:03:08.729 Samuel Roberts: Now we’re trying to see how we can go, because my wife works at the Cleveland Clinic here.
40 00:03:08.850 ⇒ 00:03:11.370 Samuel Roberts: Nurse, been there.
41 00:03:11.690 ⇒ 00:03:16.390 Samuel Roberts: We’ll break that gate now, so she’s got some pretty good seniority and stuff, so it’s nice.
42 00:03:16.640 ⇒ 00:03:22.470 Samuel Roberts: But, yeah, it’s gonna… if we… if… especially if we have another one, I imagine it’s gonna be even crazier.
43 00:03:22.470 ⇒ 00:03:27.680 Justin Breshears: Yeah, that’s tough when, you know, your location is, like, kind of tied with your work, you know?
44 00:03:27.680 ⇒ 00:03:28.500 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
45 00:03:28.970 ⇒ 00:03:31.849 Justin Breshears: That’s why I love remote opportunities like this, right?
46 00:03:31.850 ⇒ 00:03:34.350 Samuel Roberts: Definitely, I’ve… yeah, I’m big on that, too.
47 00:03:35.480 ⇒ 00:03:39.130 Justin Breshears: Well, what… how long have you been with Brainforge?
48 00:03:39.280 ⇒ 00:03:42.069 Samuel Roberts: I started in July?
49 00:03:42.560 ⇒ 00:03:43.140 Justin Breshears: Correct.
50 00:03:43.640 ⇒ 00:03:52.649 Samuel Roberts: Into August. Honestly, I’d have to check, because it’s… yeah, it’s been, yeah, not too long, so I was in your position not that long ago,
51 00:03:53.230 ⇒ 00:03:57.439 Samuel Roberts: Gettin’… getting my… you know, getting up to speed on everything, and…
52 00:03:58.140 ⇒ 00:04:06.069 Samuel Roberts: diving into all the AI team stuff. So I honestly haven’t met everyone. Like, those meetings every Friday, every other Friday are pretty good, because that’s a…
53 00:04:06.180 ⇒ 00:04:08.670 Samuel Roberts: I might see some other people, so…
54 00:04:08.820 ⇒ 00:04:11.909 Samuel Roberts: I like that you’re doing this, because I definitely did not prioritize that enough.
55 00:04:12.080 ⇒ 00:04:12.950 Samuel Roberts: -Oh.
56 00:04:12.950 ⇒ 00:04:27.389 Justin Breshears: It’s just something I feel like, like, I always have to do when I start something new, because I’m like, I hate, you know, the first thing people see of me or interact with me is, like, me asking them to do something. I’m like, at least say hi first, you know?
57 00:04:27.390 ⇒ 00:04:29.250 Samuel Roberts: That’s fair, yeah. It’s funny, because…
58 00:04:29.250 ⇒ 00:04:32.039 Justin Breshears: I kind of… Go ahead. No, you go.
59 00:04:32.040 ⇒ 00:04:35.649 Samuel Roberts: I was gonna say, my background is mostly, like, startups, so I’ve had, like.
60 00:04:36.100 ⇒ 00:04:45.259 Samuel Roberts: founding roles in a number of startups, I got different sizes and stuff, so I was always, like, the first person. This is one of the first few times I’ve really come into a place
61 00:04:45.530 ⇒ 00:04:49.710 Samuel Roberts: And there’s been people there already that I’m not familiar with, so,
62 00:04:50.360 ⇒ 00:04:56.309 Samuel Roberts: I’m just… it’s a different experience for me, because I’m used to, like… I know everyone as they come in, kind of thing, and now I’m, like.
63 00:04:56.310 ⇒ 00:04:57.160 Justin Breshears: Sure.
64 00:04:57.160 ⇒ 00:04:59.410 Samuel Roberts: There’s people here I haven’t spoken to yet.
65 00:04:59.410 ⇒ 00:05:01.429 Justin Breshears: Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense.
66 00:05:02.290 ⇒ 00:05:13.140 Justin Breshears: I’m trying to figure out, like, what everybody’s situation is, because I know there’s, like, a mix of part-time and full-time and, you know, different locations, different.
67 00:05:13.140 ⇒ 00:05:13.480 Samuel Roberts: That’s true.
68 00:05:13.480 ⇒ 00:05:20.080 Justin Breshears: things like that. So, like, I’m trying to get all that down. I think we don’t have a good, org chart.
69 00:05:20.080 ⇒ 00:05:26.460 Samuel Roberts: No, I noticed… yeah, that was something that struck me, too, immediately. I was, like, clicking around Notion, I was like, this seems outdated and stuff in a few places.
70 00:05:26.460 ⇒ 00:05:27.740 Justin Breshears: Yeah, yeah.
71 00:05:27.740 ⇒ 00:05:29.399 Samuel Roberts: That would definitely be something that would be…
72 00:05:29.630 ⇒ 00:05:32.189 Samuel Roberts: helpful, so I find the right people.
73 00:05:32.190 ⇒ 00:05:32.759 Justin Breshears: It would be nice.
74 00:05:33.390 ⇒ 00:05:37.329 Justin Breshears: Maybe we can get Rico on it, because he’s our operations guy.
75 00:05:37.330 ⇒ 00:05:44.609 Samuel Roberts: That actually would be a good idea, keep something up-to-date, with, like, some basic information to people, so it’s not, like.
76 00:05:44.760 ⇒ 00:05:48.310 Samuel Roberts: Because you gotta really do that stuff intentionally at a remote company.
77 00:05:48.310 ⇒ 00:05:56.359 Justin Breshears: Oh, yeah. And, like, when you’re moving and changing so fast, I realized, like, people have been in and out, and, like, all this stuff, like, it gets outdated quick.
78 00:05:56.560 ⇒ 00:05:57.620 Samuel Roberts: Definitely.
79 00:05:58.400 ⇒ 00:06:03.700 Justin Breshears: That’s cool. So only been here a couple months yourself, everything going well, you like it?
80 00:06:04.030 ⇒ 00:06:06.349 Samuel Roberts: Yeah. Yeah, I started out,
81 00:06:06.930 ⇒ 00:06:20.589 Samuel Roberts: kind of halftime, to see how everything would go. Kind of moved to more full-time now, but a little flexible, because I have a new baby. So, my wife’s maternity leave ends today, actually, so we’re gonna be a fun, adjustment, but yeah.
82 00:06:20.590 ⇒ 00:06:21.600 Justin Breshears: It’s been great.
83 00:06:21.600 ⇒ 00:06:29.009 Samuel Roberts: I’ve enjoyed, you know, I’m getting to work on cool things, which is big for me. I’m getting to explore new technologies and stuff.
84 00:06:29.270 ⇒ 00:06:31.730 Samuel Roberts: science and internal work.
85 00:06:33.350 ⇒ 00:06:34.989 Justin Breshears: What science are you working on right now?
86 00:06:35.160 ⇒ 00:06:39.260 Samuel Roberts: So I’m involved with ABC,
87 00:06:39.670 ⇒ 00:06:47.150 Samuel Roberts: and Interlude, mostly, in, like, my work, but I’m kind of helping out, because, Casey’s on.
88 00:06:47.440 ⇒ 00:06:52.080 Samuel Roberts: Insomnia and Mustafa is on default. Whoa.
89 00:06:52.080 ⇒ 00:06:52.690 Justin Breshears: Right.
90 00:06:52.930 ⇒ 00:06:59.100 Samuel Roberts: So I’m kind of trying to stay up to date with those. I definitely have a much better sense of the clients that I’ve worked on a little bit now.
91 00:06:59.100 ⇒ 00:07:00.030 Justin Breshears: Child.
92 00:07:00.530 ⇒ 00:07:05.909 Samuel Roberts: But, yeah, I’m trying to attend more of the default meetings so I can just understand some of the stuff there.
93 00:07:06.160 ⇒ 00:07:07.210 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
94 00:07:07.760 ⇒ 00:07:12.310 Samuel Roberts: Because Utom was running this team initially, so it was kind of like…
95 00:07:12.770 ⇒ 00:07:20.250 Samuel Roberts: me coming in was trying to take over the tech lead side of that sort of stuff, and I definitely feel like I got there with, like, ABC and Interlude.
96 00:07:20.390 ⇒ 00:07:21.890 Samuel Roberts: Pretty, pretty quickly.
97 00:07:23.100 ⇒ 00:07:27.620 Samuel Roberts: But there’s a lot of moving pieces in Insomnia that I’m not familiar with, and there’s a lot of,
98 00:07:28.150 ⇒ 00:07:36.409 Samuel Roberts: stuff in default that I just… I haven’t gotten up to speed yet, as much as I got the other ones, so I’m working on that, but I’m also not in it as much, so it’s a little harder, but… Right.
99 00:07:36.410 ⇒ 00:07:53.490 Justin Breshears: I mean, I feel the same way. I’m trying to… so I’m taking over, like, PMing default, Interlude, and Insomnia, and I’m, like, just trying to get a good handle on, like, what’s going on. Totally. So, yeah, feel that, for sure. Interlude, like, that one’s interesting to me. So, they’re like a…
100 00:07:53.520 ⇒ 00:07:56.990 Justin Breshears: Creative, like, agency, like, a marketing agency, right?
101 00:07:57.310 ⇒ 00:08:00.989 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, they seem to do a lot of work for, like, people raising money.
102 00:08:00.990 ⇒ 00:08:01.640 Justin Breshears: Okay.
103 00:08:01.750 ⇒ 00:08:04.700 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know if it’s just… So there… yeah, no one else.
104 00:08:04.700 ⇒ 00:08:10.590 Justin Breshears: They hired us to, like, help them with their, like, brand decks and pitch decks.
105 00:08:10.590 ⇒ 00:08:11.500 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so
106 00:08:12.190 ⇒ 00:08:24.189 Samuel Roberts: I… I came in probably just after that started, but my understanding was that, Matthew had been using Claude a lot, and he had a ton of, like, custom prompts and things to help him
107 00:08:24.310 ⇒ 00:08:27.099 Samuel Roberts: Kind of… take the…
108 00:08:27.250 ⇒ 00:08:32.039 Samuel Roberts: They have, like, a transcript from one of their meetings with the clients that they have, and a questionnaire.
109 00:08:32.169 ⇒ 00:08:38.020 Samuel Roberts: and then worked with Claude to essentially refine that into, like, an outline of a deck.
110 00:08:38.360 ⇒ 00:08:39.640 Justin Breshears: And so…
111 00:08:39.880 ⇒ 00:08:41.360 Samuel Roberts: what…
112 00:08:41.490 ⇒ 00:08:48.880 Samuel Roberts: Mustafa did was basically take those old chats and kind of systematize it into, like, a multi-agent workflow.
113 00:08:49.060 ⇒ 00:09:04.959 Samuel Roberts: So rather than going back and forth and being like, now let’s address the narrative, now let’s address, oh, you messed up this part, where it’s citing something that’s not there. Now the deck agent kind of does all that in one big pass, multiple times through.
114 00:09:04.960 ⇒ 00:09:05.529 Justin Breshears: There you go.
115 00:09:05.810 ⇒ 00:09:08.770 Samuel Roberts: into a Slack agent that they can chat with and say, great.
116 00:09:09.080 ⇒ 00:09:17.030 Samuel Roberts: I want to refine these things still, because there’s definitely a human-in-the-loop element that, like, is very important, that I don’t want to get rid of for them. But it’s less…
117 00:09:17.810 ⇒ 00:09:20.619 Samuel Roberts: less back and forth, I think, to generate that first
118 00:09:20.720 ⇒ 00:09:26.780 Samuel Roberts: you know, like, V… V1 of the… V1, kind of thing.
119 00:09:27.320 ⇒ 00:09:32.450 Samuel Roberts: And so, yeah, we’re trying to figure out, like, where else to go next. We’re working with, they just hired someone
120 00:09:32.870 ⇒ 00:09:36.810 Samuel Roberts: to kind of do some of that work that Matthew was doing.
121 00:09:36.940 ⇒ 00:09:39.399 Samuel Roberts: And so, we’re working with him to…
122 00:09:39.500 ⇒ 00:09:42.430 Samuel Roberts: Test out the deck agent and get some real feedback.
123 00:09:44.420 ⇒ 00:09:51.090 Samuel Roberts: And then, yeah, the call the other day was kind of seeing, like, what else… what are some other points that they could leverage some AI stuff, because…
124 00:09:51.440 ⇒ 00:09:55.609 Samuel Roberts: there’s lots of… lots of things that it could do, but also, I…
125 00:09:56.130 ⇒ 00:10:06.510 Samuel Roberts: their value-add is themselves, you know what I mean? Like, so, we don’t really want to script that out. There’s a lot of… there’s some interesting stuff there, yeah. The first, I think the first one was really…
126 00:10:06.650 ⇒ 00:10:23.609 Samuel Roberts: obvious, because he was already using AI heavily in that process. So it was kind of like, okay, well, we can take a lot of what you said, and all of the feedback you gave those, and pull that into an agent. This is… now it’s a little bit like, okay, what else could we do for them? How much more to refine this deck agent?
127 00:10:26.440 ⇒ 00:10:34.270 Samuel Roberts: we had some interesting ideas early, or not early, but earlier, where I… I don’t love Slack for their kind of use case, because it’s…
128 00:10:34.410 ⇒ 00:10:42.859 Samuel Roberts: It’s one big thread. We did fix it a little bit so it doesn’t return the deck every time, because for a while, it was like, you make a change and it spits out the whole deck again.
129 00:10:43.310 ⇒ 00:10:43.990 Justin Breshears: Yeah, that’s a lot.
130 00:10:43.990 ⇒ 00:10:47.589 Samuel Roberts: Now it can… now it can update, it has some memory,
131 00:10:47.870 ⇒ 00:10:54.750 Samuel Roberts: But I was playing with some stuff that would be, like, kind of like a… Co… agent thing?
132 00:10:55.060 ⇒ 00:11:03.479 Samuel Roberts: So, like, the outline would be on one side, they could make changes to that, they could feed that back into the agent, the agent can make changes, but they wanted to keep it in Slack right now, so…
133 00:11:05.100 ⇒ 00:11:07.539 Samuel Roberts: We’re working with that. But the notion…
134 00:11:07.540 ⇒ 00:11:09.769 Justin Breshears: response to that, but yeah, I understand, like, having…
135 00:11:09.770 ⇒ 00:11:10.630 Samuel Roberts: Exactly, it’s just like one…
136 00:11:10.630 ⇒ 00:11:11.170 Justin Breshears: Chad.
137 00:11:11.520 ⇒ 00:11:13.280 Samuel Roberts: But it, it’s… it’s…
138 00:11:13.530 ⇒ 00:11:18.390 Samuel Roberts: If that’s how they’re using it, and now we added some buttons, there’s some work we could do,
139 00:11:18.720 ⇒ 00:11:21.069 Samuel Roberts: Slack… right now, it’s all text.
140 00:11:21.260 ⇒ 00:11:38.490 Samuel Roberts: And there’s some, like, emphasis, almost like Markdown, but Notion has a slightly different flavor of that, so we’ve got to do some work translating that and keeping the headings and everything, because that’s… the biggest thing is the output to Notion, because there’s a… could be a ton of work reformatting everything, and we didn’t want them to have to do that. Right.
141 00:11:38.770 ⇒ 00:11:46.819 Samuel Roberts: But we were looking at, there’s, like, you know, Slack apps that have blocks and buttons and things that update, and there’s… there could be a lot to do there,
142 00:11:47.520 ⇒ 00:11:58.610 Samuel Roberts: But the text is really the main thing, so it’s not, like, a lot of… but some buttons have been added for, like, auto… or approval and, like, rubric review. So I think over time, as they start using it, we’ll get some more,
143 00:11:59.780 ⇒ 00:12:04.760 Samuel Roberts: some more ideas on that, but I’m also curious to see what we can do with them for other things, like…
144 00:12:05.210 ⇒ 00:12:08.760 Samuel Roberts: Basic outlines, or… Yeah.
145 00:12:08.920 ⇒ 00:12:10.670 Samuel Roberts: There’s some more stuff we’re trying to figure out.
146 00:12:11.350 ⇒ 00:12:13.440 Justin Breshears: Yeah, that’s awesome. Well, that’s exciting stuff.
147 00:12:13.440 ⇒ 00:12:14.660 Samuel Roberts: It’s a cool project, yeah.
148 00:12:14.660 ⇒ 00:12:27.820 Justin Breshears: Yeah, that is really cool. I like that. It’s one of the things that fascinated me about Brainforge is, like, getting, you know, to do… well, data has always fascinated me, so that part of it, like, the data analytics and all that is cool, but the AI component of it as well is just, like.
149 00:12:27.930 ⇒ 00:12:35.509 Justin Breshears: I mean, that’s tip of the iceberg right now, like, what we’re, you know, people are building and seeing use cases and things like that.
150 00:12:35.510 ⇒ 00:12:36.060 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
151 00:12:36.060 ⇒ 00:12:37.290 Justin Breshears: That’s really cool stuff.
152 00:12:37.290 ⇒ 00:12:42.060 Samuel Roberts: I mean, it’s cool to not only have the, like, client work for that, because I get to, like.
153 00:12:42.390 ⇒ 00:12:50.809 Samuel Roberts: work on new ideas and fit their systems and different systems at different companies is cool. But also, like, the internal stuff that Utom’s really big on is, like.
154 00:12:51.000 ⇒ 00:13:08.890 Samuel Roberts: the platform, and how can we make the platform more useful? How can we leverage AI in more places for ourselves? And that’s where I feel like I get to really explore, kind of, the leading edge of, like, what’s out there right now, because there’s a new tool, and it does something cool. You know, you might want to put that into, like, a big production system.
155 00:13:08.950 ⇒ 00:13:15.119 Samuel Roberts: if you were at a big company or something. But we can try it out and see how it goes, and if it works, it works. So, it’s like, it’s…
156 00:13:15.120 ⇒ 00:13:15.760 Justin Breshears: Right.
157 00:13:15.760 ⇒ 00:13:17.640 Samuel Roberts: Little, like, playground, almost.
158 00:13:18.270 ⇒ 00:13:21.699 Justin Breshears: Yeah, that’s super cool. Well, I will probably have…
159 00:13:22.040 ⇒ 00:13:26.630 Justin Breshears: ideas or suggestions or things that pop in my head, feel free to tell me to kick rocks on any.
160 00:13:26.630 ⇒ 00:13:41.689 Samuel Roberts: No, no, I need more feedback at this point, because one of the big, OKRs, like, this quarter, which is the end of the month, but we just got them kind of solidified a week or two ago, is, like, getting everyone to use the platform once a day.
161 00:13:42.020 ⇒ 00:13:44.769 Samuel Roberts: We’re just trying to get people to use it.
162 00:13:44.990 ⇒ 00:13:52.009 Samuel Roberts: And so part of that is, is it useful for everyone right now, you know? Like, not everyone needs to review a meeting, not everyone needs to…
163 00:13:53.770 ⇒ 00:13:59.620 Samuel Roberts: Chat with some of the agents that we have built in, but anything, any feedback is good feedback at this point.
164 00:13:59.780 ⇒ 00:14:17.410 Samuel Roberts: If it’s helpful, we’ll take it. If it’s not helpful yet, we’ll backlog it. If it’s totally off-base, I’ll say something, but you know what I mean? I think… I think anything is good because, like, it’s for everyone else. It’s not just for us, so, like, we’re kind of users of it, but there’s more users using it different ways that we need to think about, so…
165 00:14:17.590 ⇒ 00:14:32.610 Justin Breshears: One of the conversations we had when I was, you know, chatting with him before coming on was, he was like, people aren’t opinionated enough at work yet, and I’m like, well, you won’t have a problem with that with me.
166 00:14:32.610 ⇒ 00:14:43.089 Justin Breshears: I’m not… not even close to always right or anything, but at least, like, I will share, like, what I think, and then we can kick it around, and then, you know, may the best idea win, right?
167 00:14:43.090 ⇒ 00:14:46.659 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that’s kind of where I’m coming from, because when I was coming in, I was still, so, like.
168 00:14:46.910 ⇒ 00:14:51.200 Samuel Roberts: Unconnected to the projects, and trying to figure it out, and, like, technically was, like.
169 00:14:51.520 ⇒ 00:15:00.730 Samuel Roberts: yeah, I have ideas here, but, like, things are already moving in certain ways, I didn’t want to do that, but he was basically just like, no, no, you need to have the opinion so I can not have the opinion, basically, and I was like.
170 00:15:00.730 ⇒ 00:15:01.680 Justin Breshears: Yeah.
171 00:15:01.920 ⇒ 00:15:04.939 Justin Breshears: Yeah, because he… he’s maxed out, man.
172 00:15:04.940 ⇒ 00:15:05.889 Samuel Roberts: We got it.
173 00:15:05.890 ⇒ 00:15:07.890 Justin Breshears: Take stuff off of his plate, so…
174 00:15:07.890 ⇒ 00:15:08.640 Samuel Roberts: beans.
175 00:15:08.640 ⇒ 00:15:24.550 Justin Breshears: Yeah, that’s kind of my goals, too, like, and one of the things, like, I want to work with you closely, because I know you’re one of, like, the tech leads and stuff. I don’t know, organizationally, how all the technical side, like, shakes out, but as I understand, it’s, like, you and maybe Awash that are, like, leading the other people.
176 00:15:24.550 ⇒ 00:15:29.289 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, Oasis is the data team lead, basically, and then we have a,
177 00:15:29.440 ⇒ 00:15:36.980 Samuel Roberts: engineering leads meeting, and Trey is on that as well, the analytics side. Okay. But, yeah, like…
178 00:15:37.190 ⇒ 00:15:45.470 Samuel Roberts: technical code stuff, it’s, it’s, like, the repos and things, and the platform, especially, and the data stuff. Yeah, that’s me and Awash, basically.
179 00:15:45.470 ⇒ 00:15:50.680 Justin Breshears: Okay. I want to work closely with y’all, because, like, what I’m trying to do is, like, solidify
180 00:15:50.950 ⇒ 00:15:57.170 Justin Breshears: Stuff operationally, just, like, That there’s a big hole there, because, like, we have…
181 00:15:57.400 ⇒ 00:16:06.009 Justin Breshears: Sales bringing in stuff, but then we have, like, no real processes, systems for, like, how we tackle, like, once it’s sold, like, here’s now, you know.
182 00:16:06.010 ⇒ 00:16:17.989 Justin Breshears: what we do, like, to deliver, so I feel like right now there is, like, the technical people, like, doing their thing, because y’all are, you know, good at what you do, and you’re making it work, but what I’m trying to do is just, like, make sure that
183 00:16:18.420 ⇒ 00:16:29.970 Justin Breshears: you know, we know how… how to get it in a repeatable way, from, like, contract signed to, like, happy client at the end, right? So… Totally. I’m probably gonna rely on y’all a lot for that, because, like, I’m…
184 00:16:30.240 ⇒ 00:16:35.849 Justin Breshears: Not… not very technical, trying to learn, trying to get more so, but…
185 00:16:36.090 ⇒ 00:16:40.919 Samuel Roberts: I will probably rely on y’all a lot on, like, what is, like, feasible technically, and, you know…
186 00:16:40.920 ⇒ 00:16:57.640 Justin Breshears: Yeah, yeah. Especially in project initiation, like, building out project plans and stuff like that. Like, I think historically, like, Amber and them have been using, like, AI to, like, generate tickets. Well, I came in and watched that output, and I was like, well, 75% of these tickets are just fluff, and, like, don’t actually do anything, right? So, like.
187 00:16:57.670 ⇒ 00:17:06.230 Justin Breshears: we need… we need some human in the loop on, you know, project initiation and stuff like that. So, I’ll probably rely on y’all a lot on that stuff.
188 00:17:06.230 ⇒ 00:17:14.960 Samuel Roberts: Definitely, yeah. We’ve got some work to do as well. So all the… on the platform, all those client pages are based on the client hubs, we call them.
189 00:17:14.960 ⇒ 00:17:15.319 Justin Breshears: Okay.
190 00:17:15.329 ⇒ 00:17:27.729 Samuel Roberts: and that’s pulling all the meetings, all the Notion script, all the Notion transcripts, all the Slack messages once it gets added to Slack, and that lets you, like, chat over all that information, and
191 00:17:27.879 ⇒ 00:17:31.629 Samuel Roberts: One of the things that was added before I got here that I think is cool and needs
192 00:17:31.739 ⇒ 00:17:34.629 Samuel Roberts: A bit of work is the linear ticket generation.
193 00:17:34.799 ⇒ 00:17:36.289 Samuel Roberts: From a meeting transcript?
194 00:17:36.290 ⇒ 00:17:36.800 Justin Breshears: -
195 00:17:36.800 ⇒ 00:17:37.560 Samuel Roberts: bomb.
196 00:17:38.140 ⇒ 00:17:49.979 Samuel Roberts: Which, I would love to get those, like, because it does an okay job, you know, it understands the meeting, you can ask the questions about the meeting, like what was discussed and things, and usually it’s pretty good at pulling out, like, what tasks were discussed.
197 00:17:50.060 ⇒ 00:18:00.540 Samuel Roberts: But, like, the grooming of them, it needs work. Like, the kind of standards you’re putting together, like, I would love to get that into the prompt and have it, you know, validate against certain things.
198 00:18:00.540 ⇒ 00:18:01.060 Justin Breshears: Right.
199 00:18:01.060 ⇒ 00:18:06.260 Samuel Roberts: And if there’s any other… another one of the OKRs is documenting workflows for
200 00:18:06.520 ⇒ 00:18:10.189 Samuel Roberts: The big one is, like, PM sales and marketing.
201 00:18:10.320 ⇒ 00:18:15.550 Samuel Roberts: And so… I definitely want to work with you as well to understand, like, as you’re…
202 00:18:15.550 ⇒ 00:18:16.000 Justin Breshears: Yes.
203 00:18:16.000 ⇒ 00:18:22.770 Samuel Roberts: Either implementing processes, or fitting into processes, like, what are the standard workflows, and if there’s a way to
204 00:18:23.000 ⇒ 00:18:26.969 Samuel Roberts: augment that, support that, replace that with AI in some form.
205 00:18:26.970 ⇒ 00:18:42.829 Justin Breshears: I think I have an idea right off the bat for that. So, one of the things that I’ve been doing is looking at, like, our project lifecycle and trying to, like, standardize processes, right? So, the first thing I did, because I don’t have as much visibility into, like, pre-sales, I’m working with the pre-sales guys on that later, but…
206 00:18:43.190 ⇒ 00:18:54.519 Justin Breshears: one of the first things I did was, let’s look at the sales to delivery handoff. Sales closes a contract, they’re handing it off to the delivery team to deliver, right? And so, there, we have an opportunity for AI because
207 00:18:56.320 ⇒ 00:19:11.169 Justin Breshears: I created a form and a template for, like, sales to fill out with all the information. We’re talking, all the relevant links, recordings, all the stuff that they talked about, like, requirements, stuff like that. Templatizing that will allow AI to
208 00:19:11.320 ⇒ 00:19:14.370 Justin Breshears: More effectively, probably create
209 00:19:14.500 ⇒ 00:19:21.749 Justin Breshears: an initial project planning that we can go from on that point. So I think that might be our first focus, you and I.
210 00:19:21.750 ⇒ 00:19:22.070 Samuel Roberts: Cool.
211 00:19:22.070 ⇒ 00:19:26.409 Justin Breshears: let’s take this template, and let’s see what AI can do with that to help us out.
212 00:19:26.660 ⇒ 00:19:33.080 Samuel Roberts: Totally. That actually sounds like a perfect use case, because if it’s got all those links, and it’s got all the information, and
213 00:19:33.310 ⇒ 00:19:44.769 Samuel Roberts: like I said, we’re working on a way to make the client hub initiation a little bit faster, because it’s a very manual process right now, so, like, Interlude and someone else took a while to get set up, because
214 00:19:45.310 ⇒ 00:19:52.869 Samuel Roberts: it’s just, you know, the AI stuff comes second to the… or the internal stuff, I say, comes second to the client work most of the time. Yeah.
215 00:19:53.120 ⇒ 00:20:03.190 Samuel Roberts: which is, you know, Utam’s big on the client, like, they’re how we make money, they’re how we grow, like, it’s important. We don’t want them to have a bad experience, I get that. But, like, we need some time to…
216 00:20:03.430 ⇒ 00:20:08.350 Samuel Roberts: Because, like, that Client Hub stuff just got kicked down the road a little bit, and then people were like, where’s…
217 00:20:09.290 ⇒ 00:20:12.550 Samuel Roberts: re-interlude stuff, I need to check some meetings and things like that.
218 00:20:12.550 ⇒ 00:20:13.000 Justin Breshears: But…
219 00:20:13.000 ⇒ 00:20:14.599 Samuel Roberts: There’s all this. So, like.
220 00:20:15.780 ⇒ 00:20:23.570 Samuel Roberts: Even that process of, like, initiating the project, like, there’s a big side of that of, like, okay, finding all the meetings.
221 00:20:23.730 ⇒ 00:20:28.090 Samuel Roberts: getting the client hub set up, adding the Slack, like, all these little tasks,
222 00:20:28.270 ⇒ 00:20:35.560 Samuel Roberts: that, like, are… there’s… there’s basic tasks as well, but then, like, per client, there’s also, like, set up a client hub. There’s also, you know.
223 00:20:36.010 ⇒ 00:20:44.579 Samuel Roberts: when that client hub stuff has, like, so many moving pieces. That’s… one of my things this week is to go through the SOP that has been put together about how the client hubs even worked.
224 00:20:44.680 ⇒ 00:20:46.830 Samuel Roberts: And how we get added, because it’s…
225 00:20:47.170 ⇒ 00:20:51.259 Samuel Roberts: so many moving parts from Slack and Zoom and…
226 00:20:51.260 ⇒ 00:20:51.700 Justin Breshears: Right.
227 00:20:52.000 ⇒ 00:21:00.569 Samuel Roberts: adding to the platform, and getting the superbase set up for the data persistence, and, like, a lot of it is very repeatable, but very specific to, like.
228 00:21:01.130 ⇒ 00:21:06.800 Samuel Roberts: Certain, like, things that are… Automatable, but it will take a little bit of work.
229 00:21:06.800 ⇒ 00:21:07.370 Justin Breshears: Yeah.
230 00:21:07.920 ⇒ 00:21:09.050 Samuel Roberts: No, I see you.
231 00:21:09.050 ⇒ 00:21:09.940 Justin Breshears: form.
232 00:21:09.940 ⇒ 00:21:11.340 Samuel Roberts: Yeah. Okay, cool.
233 00:21:11.480 ⇒ 00:21:21.419 Justin Breshears: I sent you that form because I think this will help, because I think having all of that information in one place, like, at the initiation or right before the initiation of a project might help with all of that.
234 00:21:21.580 ⇒ 00:21:23.570 Samuel Roberts: That will totally help with that, yeah.
235 00:21:24.490 ⇒ 00:21:25.719 Justin Breshears: Oh, well then maybe we can…
236 00:21:25.720 ⇒ 00:21:26.260 Samuel Roberts: rate.
237 00:21:26.450 ⇒ 00:21:29.250 Justin Breshears: Catch some time later to… to talk through that.
238 00:21:29.830 ⇒ 00:21:30.670 Samuel Roberts: Definitely.
239 00:21:30.670 ⇒ 00:21:34.510 Justin Breshears: Yeah, so, just… I know we’re a little bit over, so I hope I’m not…
240 00:21:34.510 ⇒ 00:21:35.280 Samuel Roberts: I don’t think I have any.
241 00:21:35.280 ⇒ 00:21:52.929 Justin Breshears: keeping you thinking… okay, cool. So, I’m, like, working out with Tom right now, transitioning from part-time to full-time. It’s a little bit faster timeline than, than what we thought it was gonna be, but I ended up losing my other job last week, so…
242 00:21:53.640 ⇒ 00:21:57.269 Justin Breshears: Perfect timing, we’re getting on full-time now.
243 00:21:57.410 ⇒ 00:22:09.340 Justin Breshears: So, we’re gonna figure that out and kind of define, like, big rocks of, like, what we want to tackle first and stuff like that. So, let’s get that done, and then, you know, maybe we can catch up and see how we can tackle it together.
244 00:22:09.620 ⇒ 00:22:11.600 Samuel Roberts: Totally, totally.
245 00:22:12.260 ⇒ 00:22:23.290 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that sounds good. The only other thing I mentioned is that I want to… our OKR is to document the workflows at some point, so I want to either meet with people… I’m trying to figure out the best way to, like.
246 00:22:23.610 ⇒ 00:22:31.089 Samuel Roberts: do this, if it’s just sitting down with people and asking them to do some work and watching, you know, kind of like user testing, almost. Or just…
247 00:22:31.200 ⇒ 00:22:33.860 Samuel Roberts: Walk me through what you do, tell me, like, you know.
248 00:22:33.990 ⇒ 00:22:38.570 Samuel Roberts: not even, like, thinking AI-related, but just documenting these processes so that…
249 00:22:38.570 ⇒ 00:22:39.120 Justin Breshears: Yep.
250 00:22:39.120 ⇒ 00:22:43.119 Samuel Roberts: Which I think is a theme overall, but…
251 00:22:43.290 ⇒ 00:22:45.460 Justin Breshears: Eventually, that helps me out. We have to.
252 00:22:45.460 ⇒ 00:22:46.070 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
253 00:22:46.290 ⇒ 00:22:56.159 Justin Breshears: we have to do that stuff if we’re gonna grow, like, past this point. I think we’re kinda at the breaking point where, like, we can just grin and bear it and, like, get it done, right?
254 00:22:56.160 ⇒ 00:22:56.530 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
255 00:22:56.530 ⇒ 00:22:59.070 Justin Breshears: We’re gonna have to get to a point where it’s scalable.
256 00:22:59.420 ⇒ 00:23:16.890 Samuel Roberts: Definitely, yeah, that’s a good way to put it, actually, because I always think back to when I was starting… I run a hair care company for a number of years as a startup that grew pretty big. And the question I had, because we were making the products by hand for a long time, and I was, like, asking one of my mentors, like.
257 00:23:17.130 ⇒ 00:23:24.110 Samuel Roberts: How long do I make it by hand for? Like, when do I know when to, like, buy equipment and things? And the advice was, do it until it hurts.
258 00:23:24.320 ⇒ 00:23:35.190 Samuel Roberts: Which I’m like, okay, that’s good, I can understand that, like, now I know the process, now I can move on, now I can… and I think we’re at that point a bit with a lot of these things now, where it’s like.
259 00:23:35.780 ⇒ 00:23:38.300 Samuel Roberts: It… it works, it hurts, but…
260 00:23:38.540 ⇒ 00:23:51.530 Samuel Roberts: we can now… we can now improve that. Yeah, systematize it more, make it clearer how to do things, eventually fold AI into a lot of those things if there’s repeatable, you know, or even generational stuff.
261 00:23:51.980 ⇒ 00:24:07.720 Justin Breshears: Yeah, what I’m scared of is we got all these deals coming down the pipeline, and, like, I don’t even know how we’re tracking, like, allocation of, like, where everybody’s time is going and stuff, so I’m like, how do we know… how do we know our current utilization across the team to even know if we can
262 00:24:07.900 ⇒ 00:24:10.730 Justin Breshears: handle all of these projects, right? Like.
263 00:24:10.730 ⇒ 00:24:11.350 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
264 00:24:11.350 ⇒ 00:24:19.650 Justin Breshears: ask our people to, you know, start pulling 60-hour weeks just to… just to handle all this stuff, right? We need to know where our headcount needs are and stuff like that.
265 00:24:19.650 ⇒ 00:24:21.180 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, definitely, definitely.
266 00:24:21.340 ⇒ 00:24:23.260 Justin Breshears: That’s one of the things I want to tackle.
267 00:24:23.920 ⇒ 00:24:29.380 Samuel Roberts: Definitely. That’s… that’s big, because there was one thing I was putting together, like, some time estimates for,
268 00:24:29.700 ⇒ 00:24:32.640 Samuel Roberts: proposal for ABC to expand some other work.
269 00:24:33.870 ⇒ 00:24:42.850 Samuel Roberts: And I was like, yeah, if we have… we can fit this in and probably do it in this number of weeks. Until I was like, don’t worry about that, we’ll get more help, we’ll… if we have more money coming, I’m like.
270 00:24:43.350 ⇒ 00:24:52.579 Samuel Roberts: okay, like, that’s good to some degree, but, like, bringing in someone new is not always the fastest, way to get something done, and, like… Yeah.
271 00:24:52.580 ⇒ 00:25:01.149 Justin Breshears: an egg thing, like, if you bring somebody in for a project, you can’t just do it, like, right at project initiation. They gotta get some time to, like, get.
272 00:25:01.150 ⇒ 00:25:02.070 Samuel Roberts: Exactly, that’s what I mean.
273 00:25:02.070 ⇒ 00:25:19.990 Justin Breshears: onboarded, stuff like that. So it’s like, but then you don’t want to bring them in too early, because, you know, what if the deal doesn’t solidify, or, like, whatever. This is what I dealt with, because I just came from another tech consulting company, and so I’m like, this is what we dealt with constantly, is, like, utilization issues. You gotta… you gotta walk that tight rope where it’s like.
274 00:25:19.990 ⇒ 00:25:20.600 Samuel Roberts: Definitely.
275 00:25:20.600 ⇒ 00:25:31.880 Justin Breshears: okay, we gotta know at what utilization we need to start looking at headcount, and then on the technical side, it really matters of, like, what skill sets they have and stuff like that, which is a whole other can of worms. You can’t just bring in
276 00:25:32.320 ⇒ 00:25:35.249 Justin Breshears: it’s not just data engineer, right? Like.
277 00:25:35.250 ⇒ 00:25:35.730 Samuel Roberts: Right.
278 00:25:35.730 ⇒ 00:25:39.439 Justin Breshears: Okay, but, like, what are their specific skill sets and things like that?
279 00:25:39.640 ⇒ 00:25:46.400 Justin Breshears: PMing side, it’s a little bit more straightforward, where it’s like, I know what a good PM looks like, you know, or whatever.
280 00:25:46.790 ⇒ 00:25:47.650 Justin Breshears: But…
281 00:25:47.840 ⇒ 00:25:53.869 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I’ve been thinking about that a bit with the AI team, because we lean on N8N a lot, and so the guys are really good at that.
282 00:25:53.970 ⇒ 00:26:01.069 Samuel Roberts: But N8N has its… pros and cons, and so as I’m coming in someone that’s like, much more…
283 00:26:02.260 ⇒ 00:26:07.890 Samuel Roberts: Bodie, less NNN. I don’t want to necessarily, like, move everything out of NNN, but I know there are definitely things that, like.
284 00:26:08.450 ⇒ 00:26:12.760 Samuel Roberts: Should be in code, and should be… a little more… .
285 00:26:12.760 ⇒ 00:26:17.820 Justin Breshears: Right, because there’s probably limitations to, like, the low-code kind of N8N style, right?
286 00:26:17.820 ⇒ 00:26:30.949 Samuel Roberts: Exactly, and then even when there aren’t limitations, I feel like it gets so complex to do certain things that you can do in NHN, but then when you want to make a change, someone needs to be very familiar with that, you know?
287 00:26:31.220 ⇒ 00:26:34.929 Justin Breshears: What kind of coding language do you use for all that?
288 00:26:34.930 ⇒ 00:26:53.249 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so my background is mostly TypeScript, kind of full stack. I was, you know, starting certain projects and things as, like, a solo dev with, like, a design partner on a number of things, so I was the only tech guy, and so I… I just decided to, like, lean into TypeScript on the server, like, Node.js and stuff.
289 00:26:53.480 ⇒ 00:26:58.779 Samuel Roberts: Because I could… work the full stack and not have to switch languages and everything.
290 00:26:59.000 ⇒ 00:27:03.039 Samuel Roberts: And so, there’s… I’ve been looking at some frameworks and stuff for different…
291 00:27:03.480 ⇒ 00:27:07.899 Samuel Roberts: like, agentic flows from the code side that could do, like, what an agent does, and…
292 00:27:08.040 ⇒ 00:27:10.480 Samuel Roberts: they’re basically split between, like, Python and TypeScript.
293 00:27:11.280 ⇒ 00:27:11.920 Justin Breshears: Thanks.
294 00:27:12.160 ⇒ 00:27:18.330 Samuel Roberts: Which is good, because, you know, these guys have some more Python experience than I have even, at least recently.
295 00:27:18.540 ⇒ 00:27:21.310 Samuel Roberts: But once we get the platform set up and everything, like…
296 00:27:21.410 ⇒ 00:27:32.089 Samuel Roberts: we can now add TypeScript agents to that, and without having to, like, set up a separate process for a Python thing to run as well. So, I’m leaning towards that a little bit. I’m trying not to, like.
297 00:27:32.690 ⇒ 00:27:38.860 Samuel Roberts: just make that decision and say, like, we’re doing this because I know it, but I want to make sure I’m making the decision that is
298 00:27:39.210 ⇒ 00:27:47.120 Samuel Roberts: we’re doing this because this will help us move faster, kind of thing. Right. Because there’s a lot of Python on the data side, so I don’t want to, like.
299 00:27:47.610 ⇒ 00:27:51.139 Justin Breshears: Yeah. Box people out from doing other things, but if we’re building.
300 00:27:51.340 ⇒ 00:27:55.660 Samuel Roberts: web UIs and things, like, it just simplifies that kind of flow a little.
301 00:27:56.400 ⇒ 00:28:04.379 Justin Breshears: Yeah, I’m always curious, because I, like, am maybe starting, like, an online Python bootcamp to, like, learn that stuff.
302 00:28:05.070 ⇒ 00:28:17.189 Justin Breshears: I’m interested in the data stuff, right? And I feel like Python is, like, very big in the data world, right? So, but I’m curious, like, because I’m just scratching the surface of all this stuff. I don’t really know…
303 00:28:17.880 ⇒ 00:28:23.209 Justin Breshears: all the different stuff to, like, the AI side especially, and all that, so…
304 00:28:23.210 ⇒ 00:28:24.700 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, it’s interesting.
305 00:28:24.700 ⇒ 00:28:28.410 Justin Breshears: on some of that stuff along the way. Where, like, some people are, like.
306 00:28:28.730 ⇒ 00:28:35.589 Samuel Roberts: very Python-oriented for the AI agents, and some people are, like, TypeScript-oriented for the AI agents. It’s not…
307 00:28:35.590 ⇒ 00:28:36.140 Justin Breshears: and…
308 00:28:36.410 ⇒ 00:28:40.660 Samuel Roberts: I’m sure there’s other languages, but, like, everything seems to have a… Or the big…
309 00:28:40.790 ⇒ 00:28:46.139 Samuel Roberts: excuse me, the big projects like Lang Chain. I don’t know if you’ve heard of Lang Chain or not, but it’s a big,
310 00:28:46.280 ⇒ 00:28:47.010 Samuel Roberts: like…
311 00:28:47.030 ⇒ 00:28:57.189 Samuel Roberts: it’s been around for a number of years now, so it was one of, kind of, the earlier ones to help you, like, build an agent, build a workflow, structure some stuff in the AI, rather than just, like, making raw calls and having to
312 00:28:57.190 ⇒ 00:29:07.149 Samuel Roberts: do it yourself, but, it started as a Python thing, and they added a TypeScript one, so I started using the TypeScript one, and there’s another one that’s Pure Python, there’s another one that’s Pure TypeScript, and I’m trying to figure out
313 00:29:07.760 ⇒ 00:29:11.510 Samuel Roberts: What are the best frameworks for us to lean into as a… as a company?
314 00:29:11.680 ⇒ 00:29:14.620 Samuel Roberts: For, like, projects we’ll have to build in the future, so…
315 00:29:15.440 ⇒ 00:29:21.469 Samuel Roberts: Happy to help with whatever I can, putting you in the right direction of things. I’m definitely not a huge Python guy, so I don’t have…
316 00:29:21.970 ⇒ 00:29:22.510 Justin Breshears: Fair.
317 00:29:23.220 ⇒ 00:29:30.969 Samuel Roberts: ecosystem knowledge. Like, I can code Python, when I need to, but I don’t know all the bells and whistles that you can add.
318 00:29:31.280 ⇒ 00:29:32.640 Samuel Roberts: As much, bro.
319 00:29:34.440 ⇒ 00:29:35.160 Samuel Roberts: That’s cool, though.
320 00:29:35.160 ⇒ 00:29:38.550 Justin Breshears: I’m just… I’m just scratching the surface, I don’t know anything yet, but…
321 00:29:38.550 ⇒ 00:29:40.249 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, and I’m trying to do.
322 00:29:40.380 ⇒ 00:29:49.279 Justin Breshears: I want to get very much involved with, like, all aspects of what we do, so, like, I want to have a working knowledge, at least, of, like, some of the technical side, so I’ll probably just.
323 00:29:49.280 ⇒ 00:29:49.780 Samuel Roberts: Definitely.
324 00:29:49.780 ⇒ 00:29:50.550 Justin Breshears: brain.
325 00:29:50.770 ⇒ 00:29:52.710 Samuel Roberts: Totally. Whenever you need.
326 00:29:52.910 ⇒ 00:30:01.639 Justin Breshears: Yeah, I gotta prep for a client call coming up, so I’m gonna run, but, it was great getting a chance to chat with you, man. It’ll be first of many, but…
327 00:30:01.640 ⇒ 00:30:01.980 Samuel Roberts: Definitely.
328 00:30:01.980 ⇒ 00:30:08.010 Justin Breshears: congrats on the baby, and hopefully everything’s going well. I’ve got a 6-month-old son myself right now, so…
329 00:30:08.010 ⇒ 00:30:08.810 Samuel Roberts: one, yeah.
330 00:30:08.810 ⇒ 00:30:15.520 Justin Breshears: right… right ahead of you, on that, and I know how… I know what you’re going through, so… You too?
331 00:30:15.520 ⇒ 00:30:16.220 Samuel Roberts: You can do.
332 00:30:16.220 ⇒ 00:30:20.919 Justin Breshears: Yeah, two. I got a 2-year-old daughter, and a 6-month-old son.
333 00:30:20.920 ⇒ 00:30:21.659 Samuel Roberts: Oh, boy.
334 00:30:21.890 ⇒ 00:30:24.780 Samuel Roberts: Quick question, how is that age gap? Was it…
335 00:30:24.780 ⇒ 00:30:42.560 Justin Breshears: Perfect. I love it. Okay. I think it’s a great age gap. So, it’s hard, like, right now, when they’re, like, really young, because, you know, my toddler’s going through toddler things right now, and doesn’t always understand, like, oh, you have to be gentle with the baby, and things like that, right?
336 00:30:42.570 ⇒ 00:30:49.069 Justin Breshears: But I think we go… you go through the hard part right now, so that as they grow older, like that, they’re close, and that…
337 00:30:49.070 ⇒ 00:30:49.390 Samuel Roberts: That’s.
338 00:30:49.390 ⇒ 00:30:57.409 Justin Breshears: So, that’s the whole goal, right? It’s like, you want them to be close in age so that, like, they grow up close, and then they’re close when they’re, you know, adults, and things like that.
339 00:30:57.410 ⇒ 00:30:57.950 Samuel Roberts: Definitely.
340 00:30:57.950 ⇒ 00:30:58.870 Justin Breshears: Yeah.
341 00:30:59.070 ⇒ 00:31:02.819 Justin Breshears: It’s hard now for, like, a better situation later, is kind of how.
342 00:31:02.820 ⇒ 00:31:03.200 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
343 00:31:03.200 ⇒ 00:31:04.000 Justin Breshears: private.
344 00:31:04.290 ⇒ 00:31:13.600 Samuel Roberts: Okay, cool, that’s good, because we’ve been talking, we had… right around the time my wife gave birth, her, like, best friend had her second, and her first was, like, a year and a half, and…
345 00:31:13.720 ⇒ 00:31:22.700 Samuel Roberts: Obviously, it’s, like, very dependent on the kid, but he was fine with the new baby, very excited. A couple other friends had babies recently, and they’re, like.
346 00:31:23.080 ⇒ 00:31:26.959 Samuel Roberts: Two, two and a half, maybe three-year-olds were not happy.
347 00:31:27.330 ⇒ 00:31:28.399 Samuel Roberts: Yeah. And I was like…
348 00:31:28.400 ⇒ 00:31:29.240 Justin Breshears: Damn.
349 00:31:29.240 ⇒ 00:31:30.149 Samuel Roberts: It seems like it’s…
350 00:31:30.150 ⇒ 00:31:33.879 Justin Breshears: And so, I’m a kid, for sure, but,
351 00:31:34.040 ⇒ 00:31:39.569 Justin Breshears: Yeah, there is a little bit of that. I think I’ve seen a little bit of jealousy in my toddler sometimes, even if.
352 00:31:39.570 ⇒ 00:31:39.900 Samuel Roberts: Well, let’.
353 00:31:39.900 ⇒ 00:31:42.219 Justin Breshears: She… she doesn’t know that’s what it is.
354 00:31:42.220 ⇒ 00:31:43.090 Samuel Roberts: Right, right.
355 00:31:43.090 ⇒ 00:31:44.409 Justin Breshears: acting out, it’s a…
356 00:31:44.410 ⇒ 00:31:46.670 Samuel Roberts: It’s also a learning process, you know, jealousy’s a…
357 00:31:46.780 ⇒ 00:31:48.490 Samuel Roberts: An emotion people have, so you gotta learn that.
358 00:31:48.490 ⇒ 00:31:48.820 Justin Breshears: Yeah.
359 00:31:49.060 ⇒ 00:31:53.829 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that’s how I’m thinking about it, at least. Like, everything’s a learning opportunity for this kid. For sure.
360 00:31:53.830 ⇒ 00:32:06.890 Justin Breshears: But she, like, loves him and all that, so it’s, like, it’s really great in a lot of ways, and I would recommend around 2 years being a good sweet spot, if you want to have, like, multiple kids that are decently spaced.
361 00:32:07.300 ⇒ 00:32:13.530 Justin Breshears: Yeah. Because I, like, I’ve seen playing, like, my brother has, like, a 10-year-old and a 3-year-old and stuff.
362 00:32:13.530 ⇒ 00:32:13.930 Samuel Roberts: Oh.
363 00:32:13.930 ⇒ 00:32:16.669 Justin Breshears: like… There’s a huge gap, like…
364 00:32:16.670 ⇒ 00:32:17.380 Samuel Roberts: BF.
365 00:32:18.110 ⇒ 00:32:19.460 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, very different experience.
366 00:32:19.460 ⇒ 00:32:20.690 Justin Breshears: Yeah, I wouldn’t…
367 00:32:20.690 ⇒ 00:32:21.360 Samuel Roberts: Oh, my God.
368 00:32:21.360 ⇒ 00:32:23.750 Justin Breshears: for that personally, but they’re very different.
369 00:32:24.210 ⇒ 00:32:24.770 Samuel Roberts: Floyd.
370 00:32:25.170 ⇒ 00:32:25.840 Samuel Roberts: Thank you for that.
371 00:32:25.840 ⇒ 00:32:31.430 Justin Breshears: Well, hey, thanks for the time, man. Hopefully we’ll get to chat soon, but, yeah, have a great week.
372 00:32:32.660 ⇒ 00:32:33.560 Samuel Roberts: You as well.
373 00:32:33.990 ⇒ 00:32:34.760 Justin Breshears: What?