Meeting Title: Brain Trust Project Sync Date: 2025-08-19 Meeting participants: Mustafa Raja, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:13:52.990 ⇒ 00:13:54.140 Uttam Kumaran: Hello, sir.
2 00:13:57.780 ⇒ 00:13:58.680 Mustafa Raja: Hey, how are you?
3 00:14:04.320 ⇒ 00:14:07.869 Mustafa Raja: Oh, my internet is, is very bad.
4 00:14:11.660 ⇒ 00:14:13.059 Mustafa Raja: Can you hear me?
5 00:14:13.930 ⇒ 00:14:14.890 Uttam Kumaran: What?
6 00:14:15.680 ⇒ 00:14:19.770 Mustafa Raja: I’m saying my internet is… is a little bad today.
7 00:14:27.270 ⇒ 00:14:28.050 Mustafa Raja: 8.
8 00:14:34.920 ⇒ 00:14:36.050 Uttam Kumaran: Hello?
9 00:14:36.650 ⇒ 00:14:38.339 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, can you hear me?
10 00:14:39.130 ⇒ 00:14:40.400 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, can you hear me now?
11 00:14:40.690 ⇒ 00:14:41.450 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah.
12 00:14:43.110 ⇒ 00:14:44.999 Uttam Kumaran: No, you were saying it’s really bad?
13 00:14:45.610 ⇒ 00:14:49.670 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it’s really bad, because of some rains and all.
14 00:15:23.020 ⇒ 00:15:25.690 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I feel like maybe I’m cutting in and out, I’m not sure.
15 00:15:26.080 ⇒ 00:15:33.040 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, I certainly cannot hear you at all sometimes.
16 00:15:34.320 ⇒ 00:15:36.130 Uttam Kumaran: Any, any better now?
17 00:15:37.200 ⇒ 00:15:40.019 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it’s cutting off.
18 00:15:42.220 ⇒ 00:15:45.999 Mustafa Raja: I think we need to do, … I just had an interview in person.
19 00:15:47.580 ⇒ 00:15:52.680 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, give me, give me, like, one minute, or I’m trying to sell a place of some better signal, give me one second.
20 00:15:53.400 ⇒ 00:15:53.990 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
21 00:16:01.240 ⇒ 00:16:05.200 Uttam Kumaran: No, you were saying it’s, … It’s going bad.
22 00:16:05.200 ⇒ 00:16:08.970 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, ovacious cities, flooded.
23 00:16:11.950 ⇒ 00:16:13.609 Uttam Kumaran: I saw that, yeah.
24 00:16:13.610 ⇒ 00:16:14.880 Mustafa Raja: Super flooded.
25 00:16:17.300 ⇒ 00:16:19.619 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I saw that when Indeed went back.
26 00:16:19.620 ⇒ 00:16:21.120 Uttam Kumaran: Your area’s fine, right?
27 00:16:21.120 ⇒ 00:16:24.440 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, my area is, is fine.
28 00:16:27.030 ⇒ 00:16:27.680 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
29 00:16:30.280 ⇒ 00:16:33.400 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I saw that when the internet went bad.
30 00:16:34.130 ⇒ 00:16:38.500 Mustafa Raja: I wanted to see what happened, and… Yeah, blood.
31 00:16:46.080 ⇒ 00:16:52.019 Mustafa Raja: So, Sam has taken this steel man thing, for… Okay.
32 00:16:52.210 ⇒ 00:16:55.960 Mustafa Raja: For interlude, what I’m… what I am going to do is…
33 00:16:56.810 ⇒ 00:17:01.940 Mustafa Raja: I am going to do the brain trust thing.
34 00:17:02.740 ⇒ 00:17:05.459 Mustafa Raja: For that, I’ll have to make changes in the code.
35 00:17:06.460 ⇒ 00:17:08.919 Mustafa Raja: And in the prompt for….
36 00:17:08.920 ⇒ 00:17:09.920 Uttam Kumaran: battle.
37 00:17:10.160 ⇒ 00:17:12.470 Mustafa Raja: Scorer that we set up.
38 00:17:14.839 ⇒ 00:17:15.399 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
39 00:17:19.900 ⇒ 00:17:25.199 Mustafa Raja: And for the different route for founders to help, founders to VC and VC to LP.
40 00:17:25.390 ⇒ 00:17:31.580 Mustafa Raja: … Sam and I might sync again in a meeting and discuss that out.
41 00:17:32.960 ⇒ 00:17:34.859 Uttam Kumaran: Is that just the prompt changes?
42 00:17:36.380 ⇒ 00:17:53.120 Mustafa Raja: I need to, I need to look into, the, Claude chats for that that we have. I want to see what difference, is there, when it comes to that.
43 00:17:56.000 ⇒ 00:18:10.420 Mustafa Raja: Meaning how differently they craft the decks for founders that are pitching to VCs, and the VCs that are pitching to, LPs. LPs are the partners of the VCs, right?
44 00:18:14.160 ⇒ 00:18:14.670 Mustafa Raja: Hey.
45 00:18:14.670 ⇒ 00:18:17.570 Uttam Kumaran: It’s in the… It’s so…
46 00:18:34.420 ⇒ 00:18:36.630 Uttam Kumaran: Alright, signal’s getting cut off again.
47 00:18:37.070 ⇒ 00:18:39.410 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, … yeah, I can hear you now.
48 00:18:40.140 ⇒ 00:18:46.470 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so the… the… the VCs want to raise money from the… from the LPs.
49 00:18:47.800 ⇒ 00:18:48.530 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
50 00:18:49.820 ⇒ 00:18:52.969 Uttam Kumaran: But maybe you can send me, like.
51 00:18:53.780 ⇒ 00:18:58.249 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe you can send me the node, and I can work on the prompt if you want.
52 00:18:59.920 ⇒ 00:19:02.620 Mustafa Raja: … Hmm….
53 00:19:05.290 ⇒ 00:19:06.430 Uttam Kumaran: Bye.
54 00:19:07.530 ⇒ 00:19:08.880 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, let me think.
55 00:19:09.160 ⇒ 00:19:15.739 Mustafa Raja: … So the main thing to work on would really be, the narrative architect, no?
56 00:19:15.880 ⇒ 00:19:27.019 Mustafa Raja: Because the main AI agent is only the orchestrator that takes in whatever the narrative architect generates, right? So maybe you can take a look at this.
57 00:19:30.530 ⇒ 00:19:34.610 Mustafa Raja: I’m linking the node, in your Slack.
58 00:19:35.020 ⇒ 00:19:35.910 Mustafa Raja: DM?
59 00:19:35.910 ⇒ 00:19:36.570 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
60 00:19:37.450 ⇒ 00:19:46.160 Mustafa Raja: … and see if we can adjust this. Currently it doesn’t know if it’s a… what’s it called?
61 00:19:46.590 ⇒ 00:19:51.320 Mustafa Raja: VC to, VC to help your, founder to VC thing.
62 00:19:51.470 ⇒ 00:19:55.169 Mustafa Raja: This is what we’ll have to add in as input.
63 00:19:55.460 ⇒ 00:19:59.449 Mustafa Raja: We can just, you know, when submitting the files, type it out.
64 00:19:59.770 ⇒ 00:20:03.619 Mustafa Raja: we need a VC2LP thing, right?
65 00:20:03.620 ⇒ 00:20:05.540 Uttam Kumaran: That’s fine. Yeah, that’s easy.
66 00:20:06.000 ⇒ 00:20:07.000 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah.
67 00:20:07.770 ⇒ 00:20:11.239 Mustafa Raja: I believe there will be some instructions,
68 00:20:11.490 ⇒ 00:20:13.819 Mustafa Raja: That we would need to give as we go, right?
69 00:20:14.060 ⇒ 00:20:17.909 Mustafa Raja: Because it’s, for now, it’s… Yeah, but I, but I….
70 00:20:17.970 ⇒ 00:20:20.539 Uttam Kumaran: I, I, yeah, I’m nuts.
71 00:20:20.890 ⇒ 00:20:22.230 Uttam Kumaran: you were gone.
72 00:20:22.530 ⇒ 00:20:24.959 Uttam Kumaran: Like, right now, the prompt is…
73 00:20:25.160 ⇒ 00:20:34.010 Uttam Kumaran: founder to VC. So we just need, like, another version, which, yeah, I think it maybe is a narrative agent that can be on a switch.
74 00:20:34.470 ⇒ 00:20:37.000 Uttam Kumaran: … So I can help….
75 00:20:39.610 ⇒ 00:20:40.800 Mustafa Raja: Yes.
76 00:20:44.010 ⇒ 00:20:51.610 Uttam Kumaran: working on the Slack agent, we can hold different selectors. So, for example, If you want to select
77 00:20:52.190 ⇒ 00:20:53.860 Uttam Kumaran: Like, which type it is?
78 00:20:54.120 ⇒ 00:20:57.049 Uttam Kumaran: And then also, if you want to add any additional context.
79 00:20:57.870 ⇒ 00:21:00.739 Uttam Kumaran: Right, so we can work on, sort of, that input process.
80 00:21:00.910 ⇒ 00:21:03.000 Uttam Kumaran: That’s fine.
81 00:21:04.420 ⇒ 00:21:05.100 Mustafa Raja: Yep.
82 00:21:06.620 ⇒ 00:21:17.329 Uttam Kumaran: You know, my other… my other question is, like, I don’t know, maybe we shouldn’t, like… should we just build a, like, simple UI for this versus doing it in Slack? Like, what do you think?
83 00:21:18.840 ⇒ 00:21:26.480 Mustafa Raja: … Simple UI… Let me think….
84 00:21:28.080 ⇒ 00:21:37.909 Uttam Kumaran: like, because Slack, we’re gonna, like, as soon as we release this, that’s sort of, like, all we can develop, right? Versus if we built, like, a co-pilot UI,
85 00:21:38.360 ⇒ 00:21:40.980 Uttam Kumaran: We can build a human-in-the-loop stuff.
86 00:21:41.230 ⇒ 00:21:42.620 Uttam Kumaran: within that UI.
87 00:21:42.620 ⇒ 00:21:56.439 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I guess, I guess that, that UI kit that you proposed earlier, it’s going to have, human-in-the-loop things, or human-in-the-loop assistance built into it.
88 00:21:56.700 ⇒ 00:22:01.020 Mustafa Raja: It’ll be built with that in context, right?
89 00:22:01.240 ⇒ 00:22:06.240 Mustafa Raja: as per to, Slack, it’s not… it’s not really for the…
90 00:22:06.350 ⇒ 00:22:09.460 Mustafa Raja: For this sort of… for this sort of stuff.
91 00:22:14.160 ⇒ 00:22:14.780 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
92 00:22:14.780 ⇒ 00:22:26.089 Mustafa Raja: So… so maybe, maybe, … for this week, we’ll have to… we’ll have to pitch this… pitch whatever we… we would have built. Maybe going on, we can… we can propose that.
93 00:22:27.980 ⇒ 00:22:28.790 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
94 00:22:30.900 ⇒ 00:22:32.120 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
95 00:22:34.430 ⇒ 00:22:40.279 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great. … Alright, cool, so if you send me that, I can work on that. I defaulted.
96 00:22:40.280 ⇒ 00:22:40.769 Mustafa Raja: I didn’t get back.
97 00:22:40.770 ⇒ 00:22:43.469 Uttam Kumaran: me yet, so I’m gonna… I’ll message Lev again.
98 00:22:44.080 ⇒ 00:22:45.389 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, I saw that.
99 00:22:45.760 ⇒ 00:22:53.280 Mustafa Raja: Either way, do you… do you… do you know some websites, that… that would… Yes, I do.
100 00:22:54.190 ⇒ 00:22:57.409 Mustafa Raja: Meaning, if you know… I’ll send you a couple.
101 00:22:57.630 ⇒ 00:23:00.929 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is for the testing only.
102 00:23:00.930 ⇒ 00:23:01.390 Uttam Kumaran: Well, how about….
103 00:23:01.390 ⇒ 00:23:01.990 Mustafa Raja: Do I….
104 00:23:01.990 ⇒ 00:23:13.039 Uttam Kumaran: You know what you can do? You can use any of the software vendors that we use, that are startups, you can use. So use N8N’s website, use, Brain Trust, use Vellum.
105 00:23:13.310 ⇒ 00:23:21.610 Uttam Kumaran: use Copilot Kit. Just, like, try them. Because those are all people that could use… that could use, …
106 00:23:22.530 ⇒ 00:23:25.070 Uttam Kumaran: Those are all companies that could use default.
107 00:23:26.390 ⇒ 00:23:28.299 Mustafa Raja: Oh, okay, okay.
108 00:23:28.660 ⇒ 00:23:29.540 Mustafa Raja: Oh.
109 00:23:31.860 ⇒ 00:23:40.269 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, that’s good. There would be some websites that would have, obviously, the scheduler, they would source it out, but the forms…
110 00:23:40.380 ⇒ 00:23:45.020 Mustafa Raja: Some of them… some of them might have just custom forms, right?
111 00:23:47.100 ⇒ 00:23:49.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, no, a lot of them will have custom forms.
112 00:23:50.610 ⇒ 00:23:51.370 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
113 00:23:51.510 ⇒ 00:23:57.860 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I just don’t know why… why they would… why would anyone need… forms.
114 00:23:58.090 ⇒ 00:24:01.930 Mustafa Raja: Why would anyone need to source out their forms?
115 00:24:02.290 ⇒ 00:24:03.790 Mustafa Raja: I don’t understand that.
116 00:24:04.280 ⇒ 00:24:15.299 Uttam Kumaran: Because, yeah, I think one thing that would be helpful is for you to understand, like, the default product. So default… the product itself is the form, but on the back end, it’s actually the routing.
117 00:24:15.390 ⇒ 00:24:29.659 Uttam Kumaran: So, what… right now in our company, right, there’s only two salespeople, it’s me and Robert, so we take everything, no matter what. But in many companies, you have hundreds of salespeople where you need to route to them in a smart way. So that’s one feature, right? So, like.
118 00:24:29.660 ⇒ 00:24:47.169 Uttam Kumaran: based on what the input forms are, can you route it to the right person, either in HubSpot or onto their calendar? So they build a lot of integrations related to the form. The second piece is on-the-fly enrichment. So, default’s product actually enriches the leads as soon as they submit the form.
119 00:24:47.680 ⇒ 00:24:51.260 Uttam Kumaran: So, like, it’s like, you know how we go into clay, but the clay is reactive.
120 00:24:51.550 ⇒ 00:24:56.369 Uttam Kumaran: they actually call and get that enriched before it goes into the CRM.
121 00:24:56.630 ⇒ 00:24:59.470 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s also the product that they have.
122 00:24:59.820 ⇒ 00:25:01.020 Uttam Kumaran: And you can do this.
123 00:25:01.020 ⇒ 00:25:01.470 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
124 00:25:01.530 ⇒ 00:25:04.080 Uttam Kumaran: You can build conditional logic.
125 00:25:04.200 ⇒ 00:25:23.829 Uttam Kumaran: okay, if it fits this category, this category, take this action. So they have this, like, sort of work… workflow routing. And so ultimately, their goal is, like, how can they become the home for the sales team in terms of routing and making sure that leads are enriched with the right information in order to route to the best people to take the call.
126 00:25:25.100 ⇒ 00:25:34.960 Mustafa Raja: Okay, yeah, this makes sense. It makes sense now, because previously, it was like, what even is this? Why would anyone name this?
127 00:25:37.590 ⇒ 00:25:38.959 Mustafa Raja: But this makes sense.
128 00:25:41.490 ⇒ 00:25:42.500 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, exactly.
129 00:25:42.500 ⇒ 00:25:47.709 Mustafa Raja: So is it… so how… how long… how long default, default has been in the market?
130 00:25:49.180 ⇒ 00:25:53.729 Uttam Kumaran: A few years. Maybe, like, 4 years? 3 years.
131 00:25:54.430 ⇒ 00:26:01.150 Mustafa Raja: So, so, so they, so this really makes sense, right? Because people are using it.
132 00:26:04.790 ⇒ 00:26:05.520 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
133 00:26:20.220 ⇒ 00:26:25.550 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’ll test these when the internet gets better, because the signs aren’t loading up.
134 00:26:26.210 ⇒ 00:26:29.860 Mustafa Raja: Even the bringingfoods.ai isn’t loading up on my side.
135 00:26:31.550 ⇒ 00:26:36.119 Mustafa Raja: Because I wanted to test the tone on our… on our thing, too.
136 00:26:36.790 ⇒ 00:26:40.170 Mustafa Raja: I was able to, show Sam… Okay, okay.
137 00:26:40.680 ⇒ 00:26:43.909 Mustafa Raja: a demo while I was testing it on…
138 00:26:44.170 ⇒ 00:26:48.330 Mustafa Raja: Cort… no, no, Cortex, jumpapp.com.
139 00:26:53.860 ⇒ 00:26:59.120 Mustafa Raja: Oh, am I allowed to create a Claude… Claude API key?
140 00:26:59.220 ⇒ 00:27:02.510 Mustafa Raja: Just for… just to see the difference with this.
141 00:27:04.150 ⇒ 00:27:05.460 Mustafa Raja: with OpenAI.
142 00:27:10.560 ⇒ 00:27:15.800 Uttam Kumaran: Sure, yeah, like, for on our end. Yeah, I think Casey can give you access to Claude, or just ping me.
143 00:27:16.160 ⇒ 00:27:17.129 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll give it to you.
144 00:27:18.570 ⇒ 00:27:26.780 Mustafa Raja: He did… he did give me the access the other day, when I needed for, needed to record a room for Matt.
145 00:27:27.810 ⇒ 00:27:28.839 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
146 00:27:33.460 ⇒ 00:27:35.660 Mustafa Raja: Do you think Winterlude will continue with us?
147 00:27:38.000 ⇒ 00:27:43.470 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know yet. It depends on this week, dude. Yeah, it depends on this week.
148 00:28:00.100 ⇒ 00:28:05.299 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, alright, Slack me, I’m just gonna go get a coffee and get back on my laptop.
149 00:28:06.150 ⇒ 00:28:07.900 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah. Thank you.
150 00:28:09.120 ⇒ 00:28:10.899 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, perfect. Talk to you soon.
151 00:28:11.930 ⇒ 00:28:12.700 Mustafa Raja: Bye.