Meeting Title: Brainforge Segment Migration Planning Date: 2025-07-10 Meeting participants: Robert Tseng, Henry Zhao
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1 00:00:27.970 ⇒ 00:00:29.070 Henry Zhao: Hey, Robert.
2 00:00:30.820 ⇒ 00:00:31.420 Robert Tseng: Henry.
3 00:00:32.750 ⇒ 00:00:34.019 Henry Zhao: How’s it going.
4 00:00:35.110 ⇒ 00:00:36.189 Robert Tseng: Ed, how are you?
5 00:00:36.830 ⇒ 00:00:39.660 Henry Zhao: Good thanks let me share my screen
6 00:00:43.350 ⇒ 00:00:45.464 Henry Zhao: So I think
7 00:00:46.680 ⇒ 00:00:51.729 Henry Zhao: Rico is working on getting me access to one pass. So once he does, I’ll be able to log into this right.
8 00:00:52.190 ⇒ 00:00:57.069 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I’m surprised it hasn’t gone through yet. What’s he doing?
9 00:00:58.330 ⇒ 00:01:00.409 Robert Tseng: Well, I’m just gonna ping him right now.
10 00:01:01.500 ⇒ 00:01:06.920 Henry Zhao: I I already pinged him. So I think it’s okay. He said, coordinating with Utam on this. So that’s probably okay.
11 00:01:07.350 ⇒ 00:01:08.010 Robert Tseng: I see.
12 00:01:08.410 ⇒ 00:01:11.160 Henry Zhao: But once I log in, I’ll be able to kind of see
13 00:01:11.653 ⇒ 00:01:16.779 Henry Zhao: the connections get to play around with it a little bit, and then also be able to log into bigquery right.
14 00:01:17.180 ⇒ 00:01:17.710 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
15 00:01:18.650 ⇒ 00:01:21.900 Henry Zhao: Was it? Is it cloud? But I forget the link, what it whatever it is.
16 00:01:22.330 ⇒ 00:01:28.260 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, I I might as well just try to go and send. I’ll just try to advance those things to you.
17 00:01:31.250 ⇒ 00:01:33.320 Robert Tseng: Might not be the best, because
18 00:01:34.370 ⇒ 00:01:41.259 Robert Tseng: we have Mfa. Stored in one pass as well. So like those one time pass codes. I don’t know if you knew that. But you can share those in one pass.
19 00:01:43.780 ⇒ 00:01:46.720 Robert Tseng: So I’m gonna I’ll just slack you.
20 00:01:49.800 ⇒ 00:01:54.630 Robert Tseng: That’s for segments, and then this should be for bigquery.
21 00:01:55.380 ⇒ 00:01:55.729 Henry Zhao: Okay.
22 00:01:58.490 ⇒ 00:01:59.430 Robert Tseng: In Europe.
23 00:02:06.480 ⇒ 00:02:07.380 Henry Zhao: Fast.
24 00:02:13.230 ⇒ 00:02:14.390 Henry Zhao: Okay, cool.
25 00:02:16.330 ⇒ 00:02:20.069 Henry Zhao: And then this is bigquery. We’re also sharing one account.
26 00:02:22.070 ⇒ 00:02:23.349 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Well.
27 00:02:23.620 ⇒ 00:02:32.089 Robert Tseng: I just haven’t added, I’ll I’ll link it to you. I’ll have to bring you in. Add your brain forge email. But just for now you can just use mine.
28 00:02:32.350 ⇒ 00:02:34.590 Henry Zhao: Can you send me the segment one twice.
29 00:02:35.280 ⇒ 00:02:36.059 Robert Tseng: Oh, I did.
30 00:02:36.240 ⇒ 00:02:37.070 Robert Tseng: Okay.
31 00:02:37.350 ⇒ 00:02:38.690 Henry Zhao: 7 worked. So that’s good.
32 00:02:42.550 ⇒ 00:02:45.269 Robert Tseng: Okay? And let me delete all those.
33 00:02:53.430 ⇒ 00:02:54.790 Henry Zhao: I guess. Add accounts.
34 00:03:00.320 ⇒ 00:03:05.670 Robert Tseng: Yeah, if the bigquery doesn’t work, I’ll just try to add you in while we’re okay.
35 00:03:06.210 ⇒ 00:03:07.260 Henry Zhao: Work. I think.
36 00:03:12.660 ⇒ 00:03:13.520 Robert Tseng: And.
37 00:03:16.720 ⇒ 00:03:17.860 Henry Zhao: Is this your phone number.
38 00:03:19.180 ⇒ 00:03:20.949 Robert Tseng: Oh, yeah, it probably is.
39 00:03:21.750 ⇒ 00:03:22.330 Henry Zhao: Okay.
40 00:03:22.990 ⇒ 00:03:24.389 Robert Tseng: I don’t know. They would move that.
41 00:03:27.870 ⇒ 00:03:30.650 Robert Tseng: Okay. I’ll just give you the code real quick.
42 00:03:42.680 ⇒ 00:03:43.979 Henry Zhao: Alright, you can delete it.
43 00:03:44.110 ⇒ 00:03:44.689 Henry Zhao: Well, not that I’m.
44 00:03:44.690 ⇒ 00:03:47.319 Robert Tseng: I said, Yeah, I think it’ll
45 00:03:48.930 ⇒ 00:03:52.560 Robert Tseng: that’s fine. It’ll it’ll expire after 7 days if.
46 00:03:55.470 ⇒ 00:04:02.159 Henry Zhao: Yeah. So today and tomorrow, I’m gonna quickly go through kind of the data. Just make sure. I understand, kind of all the data that we have
47 00:04:03.570 ⇒ 00:04:05.906 Henry Zhao: before I ask you any further questions.
48 00:04:06.860 ⇒ 00:04:13.150 Henry Zhao: it was good for me to be in those 2 meetings today, and I think I’ll just be prepared for Tuesday to have that call with rudder stack
49 00:04:14.056 ⇒ 00:04:17.759 Henry Zhao: but do you have an idea in terms of pricing for segment and rotor stack?
50 00:04:18.690 ⇒ 00:04:19.250 Henry Zhao: I think.
51 00:04:19.250 ⇒ 00:04:22.699 Robert Tseng: We paid like 70 grand the past year.
52 00:04:23.270 ⇒ 00:04:24.109 Henry Zhao: Per se segment.
53 00:04:24.390 ⇒ 00:04:30.119 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think it should be closer to like 30 to 40.
54 00:04:30.120 ⇒ 00:04:30.690 Henry Zhao: Yeah.
55 00:04:31.180 ⇒ 00:04:32.360 Robert Tseng: Yeah, that’s.
56 00:04:32.360 ⇒ 00:04:36.910 Henry Zhao: I think that’s roughly what rudder stack is. Gonna charge. I don’t know if they said that this morning.
57 00:04:37.470 ⇒ 00:04:39.959 Robert Tseng: I don’t think they said that so, but that’s what I’m expecting.
58 00:04:40.540 ⇒ 00:04:48.270 Henry Zhao: Okay, but from the call yesterday it sounded like you were more leaning towards staying on segment. But then today, when we had our call with segment. I think you voiced some of your concerns about segment.
59 00:04:48.776 ⇒ 00:04:54.670 Henry Zhao: So currently your thoughts in terms of if you want to stay with segment, or you think we should move to rudder, stack.
60 00:04:55.020 ⇒ 00:05:04.940 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think we should move to rudder stack like, I don’t think segment pricing is gonna gonna is that I don’t think they’re gonna get down to 30 to 40.
61 00:05:05.270 ⇒ 00:05:09.419 Robert Tseng: But yeah, I think the rudder stack. I just think the
62 00:05:10.620 ⇒ 00:05:18.589 Robert Tseng: obviously there’s just more upfront work to like do the migration, which it doesn’t seem that hard. But like, that’s, you know, something to be aware of. Yeah.
63 00:05:18.820 ⇒ 00:05:21.420 Henry Zhao: Sign off on it. Do they want the migration done by end of September?
64 00:05:23.470 ⇒ 00:05:30.389 Robert Tseng: Well, so if we do end up switching, it’s not September, it’s actually it. Well, because segment contract ends the end of this month. So
65 00:05:30.760 ⇒ 00:05:35.529 Robert Tseng: it’s kind of like we need to be able to cut over by end of this month, which seems kind of rushed.
66 00:05:36.230 ⇒ 00:05:36.880 Henry Zhao: Yeah.
67 00:05:37.470 ⇒ 00:05:37.900 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
68 00:05:38.030 ⇒ 00:05:38.800 Henry Zhao: Awesome.
69 00:05:39.300 ⇒ 00:05:44.319 Robert Tseng: So I don’t know if there’s a way for us. I don’t know if we’ll be able to extend segment for a bit longer, or whatever. But
70 00:05:44.520 ⇒ 00:05:45.280 Robert Tseng: yeah.
71 00:05:46.480 ⇒ 00:05:51.950 Henry Zhao: Who did you say was the the person working on engineering that I can use to help out on this.
72 00:05:52.320 ⇒ 00:05:53.959 Robert Tseng: Yeah. So a wish
73 00:05:55.680 ⇒ 00:05:57.846 Henry Zhao: Sash, can you? Okay, that’s
74 00:05:58.730 ⇒ 00:05:59.500 Henry Zhao: I wish.
75 00:05:59.500 ⇒ 00:06:03.120 Robert Tseng: Yeah. So in that in that Eden channel. So I’ll just like kind of.
76 00:06:04.840 ⇒ 00:06:13.709 Robert Tseng: I’ll also write some things out. So a wish that not all of it.
77 00:06:15.180 ⇒ 00:06:17.299 Robert Tseng: These 3 models related.
78 00:06:17.840 ⇒ 00:06:18.760 Robert Tseng: Maybe I should be.
79 00:06:18.760 ⇒ 00:06:22.809 Henry Zhao: Is there a way to sync with him before the end of the week to kind of understand his bandwidth
80 00:06:23.030 ⇒ 00:06:24.900 Henry Zhao: in a month.
81 00:06:25.910 ⇒ 00:06:30.379 Robert Tseng: Yeah, we during stand up this morning. He kind of just demoed like
82 00:06:30.970 ⇒ 00:06:39.820 Robert Tseng: the customer data mall he’s been working on. He hasn’t enriched it with, like the final fields yet, which I told him he’d probably be working with you on. So yeah.
83 00:06:42.620 ⇒ 00:06:47.529 Henry Zhao: Okay. Will he be able to walk me through all of the the sites that we want to install segment on.
84 00:06:49.670 ⇒ 00:06:50.210 Henry Zhao: Back, on.
85 00:06:50.790 ⇒ 00:06:57.540 Robert Tseng: No, he would not. We would have to get you connected to Sebastian, which is on the Eden side. He’s like there
86 00:06:58.227 ⇒ 00:07:02.389 Robert Tseng: they have a fractional CTO, so I can, but I can arrange that meeting.
87 00:07:02.680 ⇒ 00:07:06.730 Henry Zhao: Okay, yeah. So I think we need to meet with Sebastian. In the meantime, a wish
88 00:07:07.850 ⇒ 00:07:12.009 Henry Zhao: to get this ready by Tuesday in terms of at least the evaluation.
89 00:07:12.350 ⇒ 00:07:13.030 Robert Tseng: Okay.
90 00:07:14.300 ⇒ 00:07:15.790 Robert Tseng: Now we’ll do.
91 00:07:24.260 ⇒ 00:07:27.470 Henry Zhao: Yeah, cause there’s a lot of stuff in here. I don’t know. We’ll be able to get all this done by end of month.
92 00:07:28.240 ⇒ 00:07:28.850 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
93 00:07:30.760 ⇒ 00:07:39.710 Robert Tseng: so a lot of the stuff is not really active. So I mean, really like, there’s only the bask source. And then if you kind of scroll down. Then there’s like.
94 00:07:42.940 ⇒ 00:07:57.580 Robert Tseng: yeah, like, all these basket are like various bask web hooks. And then customer I/O Facebook, as we could probably turn off as well. And then ship oh, is, is, is there? But yeah, so those are the 3 things the Facebook ads and Google, as we don’t really need there.
95 00:07:57.970 ⇒ 00:07:59.440 Robert Tseng: And they’re easy, anyway. So yeah.
96 00:07:59.440 ⇒ 00:08:00.570 Henry Zhao: Crazy, anyway. There we go.
97 00:08:00.570 ⇒ 00:08:04.899 Henry Zhao: We don’t need to read them by end of month. We just need the sources to feed into
98 00:08:05.551 ⇒ 00:08:07.520 Henry Zhao: broader stack by end of month, right.
99 00:08:07.520 ⇒ 00:08:08.120 Robert Tseng: Correct.
100 00:08:08.340 ⇒ 00:08:12.100 Henry Zhao: They don’t be there. We can work on the destinations and all that stuff afterwards.
101 00:08:12.500 ⇒ 00:08:13.060 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
102 00:08:14.960 ⇒ 00:08:16.090 Henry Zhao: So I think it’s doable.
103 00:08:16.910 ⇒ 00:08:25.000 Robert Tseng: Yeah. And that’s if we stay, if that’s we move to router set. But if we do decide to just stay on segment, then, like. I think that would. That would be easier.
104 00:08:25.940 ⇒ 00:08:31.339 Henry Zhao: Yeah, or worst case, we stay with them in one more year, and then we move to our stack next year. If it makes sense by next year.
105 00:08:31.710 ⇒ 00:08:32.270 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
106 00:08:32.610 ⇒ 00:08:43.510 Robert Tseng: So if if segment can bring their pricing down to like 40 or like less than I would, I would say, I would say, just to like, I would consider saying, Yeah.
107 00:08:43.510 ⇒ 00:08:51.579 Henry Zhao: Because then there’s cost in terms of the implementation and risks and things like that. Did they say how much it would be based on 4 million. Api calls a month.
108 00:08:52.030 ⇒ 00:08:54.429 Robert Tseng: No, they never segment, never put a number out.
109 00:08:55.420 ⇒ 00:09:00.500 Henry Zhao: Can you? Are we? Are we ready to ask them for the that number, or what’s pending for them to give us that number.
110 00:09:00.750 ⇒ 00:09:10.769 Robert Tseng: Yeah, no, I mean, I think on on this call like they I mean, I kind of called them out that they hadn’t get, gave us a number yet, so they they I don’t know like they they just haven’t. They just haven’t given us one.
111 00:09:11.400 ⇒ 00:09:15.889 Henry Zhao: Okay on Tuesday with that call with, should we ask, should I be asking them for the final number.
112 00:09:16.560 ⇒ 00:09:19.959 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think so. As yeah, as soon as we can get that, I think that’s the biggest.
113 00:09:21.350 ⇒ 00:09:24.849 Henry Zhao: I think we’re selected still by Mtus. Right? And we know our Mtus.
114 00:09:25.270 ⇒ 00:09:26.320 Robert Tseng: Yes.
115 00:09:26.980 ⇒ 00:09:29.520 Henry Zhao: Although rutor sex said that they would also do.
116 00:09:29.690 ⇒ 00:09:32.529 Robert Tseng: They would, they would also not price, buy it to use as well.
117 00:09:33.950 ⇒ 00:09:34.620 Henry Zhao: Okay.
118 00:09:36.590 ⇒ 00:09:41.980 Henry Zhao: Alright. Where do I find? Because I’ve just been a while. Where do I find the number of Empty’s we currently have.
119 00:09:43.491 ⇒ 00:09:46.710 Robert Tseng: I think if you go, if you go to settings.
120 00:09:47.330 ⇒ 00:09:49.190 Henry Zhao: Yeah, okay, settings.
121 00:09:49.330 ⇒ 00:09:52.559 Robert Tseng: And then there’s like usage and billing on the left tab.
122 00:09:58.500 ⇒ 00:09:59.340 Robert Tseng: and then we can look.
123 00:09:59.340 ⇒ 00:10:00.590 Robert Tseng: And over time, yeah.
124 00:10:00.740 ⇒ 00:10:04.310 Henry Zhao: This is only for the 1st week of July or 1st 10 days.
125 00:10:04.310 ⇒ 00:10:07.210 Robert Tseng: I think this is actually not true. So if you scroll down
126 00:10:07.934 ⇒ 00:10:14.539 Robert Tseng: and you look at like that red bar, I think is customer I owe. Those are duplicates. So it’s not really.
127 00:10:17.630 ⇒ 00:10:30.159 Robert Tseng: It’s like we’re identifying them once, and then we’re sending everything again to customer I/O. So like, it’s it kind of I I think it’s it’s I don’t think it’s actually 400,000. I think it’s probably closer to 2, 50 to 300.
128 00:10:30.160 ⇒ 00:10:31.850 Henry Zhao: We’re getting charged for 400,000 right?
129 00:10:31.850 ⇒ 00:10:32.420 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
130 00:10:32.740 ⇒ 00:10:34.960 Robert Tseng: But we are getting charged. 400,000. Yeah.
131 00:10:36.860 ⇒ 00:10:40.369 Henry Zhao: So part of this work should be trying to get this unduplicated right.
132 00:10:40.840 ⇒ 00:10:41.410 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
133 00:10:42.280 ⇒ 00:10:45.730 Henry Zhao: Okay? And then Bask, you said, was an internal tool that was created right.
134 00:10:46.491 ⇒ 00:10:52.449 Robert Tseng: It’s actually not. It’s it’s a, it’s a vendor they use. It’s basically like a shopify for health.
135 00:10:52.450 ⇒ 00:10:55.959 Robert Tseng: Oh, my God, companies, yeah. But they are building their own internal tool.
136 00:10:56.320 ⇒ 00:10:58.009 Henry Zhao: Okay. But they have an Api. So.
137 00:10:58.270 ⇒ 00:10:59.220 Robert Tseng: They do not.
138 00:10:59.400 ⇒ 00:11:01.750 Robert Tseng: That’s why we we use webbooks. Yeah.
139 00:11:02.120 ⇒ 00:11:04.670 Henry Zhao: Oh, Gotcha, that’s why we use web hooks. Okay? Makes sense.
140 00:11:08.110 ⇒ 00:11:10.239 Henry Zhao: What else did I have questions on?
141 00:11:11.900 ⇒ 00:11:15.410 Henry Zhao: So Mtus is currently 400,000 ish.
142 00:11:16.000 ⇒ 00:11:19.889 Robert Tseng: Yeah, well, in 10 days. So after 30 is probably 1.2 million. Right?
143 00:11:20.540 ⇒ 00:11:21.140 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
144 00:11:22.469 ⇒ 00:11:26.460 Henry Zhao: But once deduplicate, it’d be 600,000, and then Api calls would be 4 million
145 00:11:31.340 ⇒ 00:11:32.060 Henry Zhao: a month.
146 00:11:34.750 ⇒ 00:11:40.979 Robert Tseng: Isn’t that? I mean, do you agree? It’s just like we have pretty low volume, like events, for, like how many, how much we’re getting billed.
147 00:11:41.580 ⇒ 00:11:42.520 Henry Zhao: Exactly. Yeah.
148 00:11:42.520 ⇒ 00:11:43.599 Robert Tseng: Yeah, okay.
149 00:11:47.110 ⇒ 00:12:03.519 Henry Zhao: yeah, I think we talked about this in New York, right? There’s companies, where it’s like a long sales funnel, where they have few customers. They’re all identifiable, I think those make sense. But there are also companies where there’s a lot of impressions, a lot of different customers, and a lot of unidentified. Those don’t make sense to be paying by them to use.
150 00:12:03.850 ⇒ 00:12:04.400 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
151 00:12:05.240 ⇒ 00:12:09.839 Henry Zhao: So for me, it’s either going to be Api calls with segments
152 00:12:10.170 ⇒ 00:12:12.869 Henry Zhao: and lower the price, or we go with rudderstack.
153 00:12:13.320 ⇒ 00:12:15.580 Henry Zhao: Yeah, best pricing for us would be.
154 00:12:16.070 ⇒ 00:12:16.620 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
155 00:12:17.210 ⇒ 00:12:19.279 Henry Zhao: Okay. So I can talk to Versack about that on Tuesday.
156 00:12:19.930 ⇒ 00:12:20.520 Robert Tseng: Okay.
157 00:12:21.370 ⇒ 00:12:27.769 Henry Zhao: And then, in the meantime, I’d love to get on a call with a wish. And Sebastian to kind of understand the the
158 00:12:28.120 ⇒ 00:12:30.680 Henry Zhao: how much it would take to implement all this by end of month.
159 00:12:31.390 ⇒ 00:12:32.060 Robert Tseng: Okay.
160 00:12:33.350 ⇒ 00:12:33.820 Henry Zhao: Okay. But.
161 00:12:33.820 ⇒ 00:12:41.289 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I wish we’ll be able to give you everything on like everything that’s in bigquery. A wish would know and then.
162 00:12:41.290 ⇒ 00:12:43.249 Henry Zhao: About the web hooks? Does he work on the web hooks.
163 00:12:43.670 ⇒ 00:12:47.679 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Well, he didn’t set up all of them. But yeah, he
164 00:12:48.510 ⇒ 00:12:56.649 Robert Tseng: yeah, if not him, then he may Dave a lot, and our team would also be talking about web books. But yeah, we’re the only yeah. Only only our team touches web books right now.
165 00:12:57.381 ⇒ 00:13:04.279 Robert Tseng: And then. Sebastian, he manages Google tag, manager. So and anything web flow, Google tag manager.
166 00:13:04.673 ⇒ 00:13:13.119 Robert Tseng: is kind of under his domain. So as far as like where things need to be placed on the front end like he, he would be the one to answer those questions.
167 00:13:13.450 ⇒ 00:13:16.570 Henry Zhao: Okay? And then who set up these connections? Resources.
168 00:13:17.258 ⇒ 00:13:23.460 Robert Tseng: So some of these were are like the new treatment, or complete like actually that. We added that one. But like some of these
169 00:13:25.084 ⇒ 00:13:29.089 Robert Tseng: were there before we arrived, and then we’ve kind of just
170 00:13:29.800 ⇒ 00:13:32.590 Robert Tseng: continued adding new ones over time.
171 00:13:33.550 ⇒ 00:13:35.429 Henry Zhao: Okay, got it. Okay, I’ll play around in here.
172 00:13:35.980 ⇒ 00:13:38.489 Henry Zhao: Yeah. So I think we just pick one. That’s like.
173 00:13:39.160 ⇒ 00:13:42.769 Robert Tseng: You know, like the order, the order event is probably the main one.
174 00:13:42.870 ⇒ 00:13:48.720 Robert Tseng: just to make sure we’re not missing orders. So if we were to fire one into a rudder stack the rudder stack like that’d be the one I would pick.
175 00:13:49.960 ⇒ 00:13:50.530 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
176 00:13:50.927 ⇒ 00:13:54.500 Henry Zhao: Would that be order ship? There’s order completed? Probably.
177 00:13:54.500 ⇒ 00:13:55.739 Robert Tseng: Order completed. Yeah.
178 00:14:02.540 ⇒ 00:14:03.250 Henry Zhao: Okay.
179 00:14:03.490 ⇒ 00:14:11.520 Henry Zhao: do you have any tips on how I can check the data for accuracy? So if I say, Okay, 2,039 events receive. How? How can I check if that’s correct or not?
180 00:14:14.750 ⇒ 00:14:17.520 Robert Tseng: Yeah. I mean, there’s no observability on like
181 00:14:17.950 ⇒ 00:14:23.600 Robert Tseng: we we only know retroactively when we like someone further downstream is like, Hey,
182 00:14:25.040 ⇒ 00:14:37.639 Robert Tseng: I think we’re missing some orders this week, and then we go back like I can give you access to bask, which is like the system, and I mean they have a ui where you can export stuff out of, but I don’t really think you should be spending too much time there.
183 00:14:37.750 ⇒ 00:14:38.400 Robert Tseng: I think.
184 00:14:38.400 ⇒ 00:14:39.350 Henry Zhao: Point for you.
185 00:14:40.380 ⇒ 00:14:47.190 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think. You can assume that the web hooks are mostly there. I would say, probably like 90 95%. There.
186 00:14:47.440 ⇒ 00:14:55.410 Robert Tseng: there is like a delay. It’s not real time. So it’s not like every order status change gets fired through the web hook.
187 00:14:55.973 ⇒ 00:15:08.569 Robert Tseng: They kind of just like drop payloads asynchronously. And it can be like up to a 10 to 14 day delay. So yeah, I think that’s maybe some basic context. There.
188 00:15:08.990 ⇒ 00:15:10.990 Henry Zhao: That’s the industry standard. So cool.
189 00:15:11.310 ⇒ 00:15:13.320 Robert Tseng: Is it? Okay?
190 00:15:13.760 ⇒ 00:15:14.450 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
191 00:15:15.930 ⇒ 00:15:18.739 Henry Zhao: Okay, I’ll let you know if I have any other questions.
192 00:15:19.230 ⇒ 00:15:22.270 Robert Tseng: Alright. Sounds good. Yeah, let me get you all these things get you set up.
193 00:15:22.640 ⇒ 00:15:24.000 Henry Zhao: Great great thanks! Robert.
194 00:15:24.500 ⇒ 00:15:25.500 Robert Tseng: Yep, bye.