Meeting Title: AI Team Retro Date: 2025-06-20 Meeting participants: Miguel de Veyra, Mustafa Raja, Casie Aviles, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:00:25.460 ⇒ 00:00:26.619 Casie Aviles: Hey, guys.
2 00:00:27.630 ⇒ 00:00:31.519 Miguel de Veyra: I guess this might be a conflict with autumn’s call.
3 00:00:33.750 ⇒ 00:00:34.830 Mustafa Raja: Deliver.
4 00:00:34.950 ⇒ 00:00:37.489 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah with, Oh, there you go.
5 00:00:40.140 ⇒ 00:00:42.930 Miguel de Veyra: What I was gonna ask. And why is everyone in my calendar.
6 00:00:44.621 ⇒ 00:00:46.279 Uttam Kumaran: I’m not gonna ask that.
7 00:00:47.170 ⇒ 00:00:48.060 Miguel de Veyra: No.
8 00:00:48.250 ⇒ 00:00:50.081 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, mate, what’s up?
9 00:00:52.270 ⇒ 00:00:57.359 Uttam Kumaran: That’s like I’m waiting for you to send me a message. Are you coming to this? I’m like it’s been 1 min you’re.
10 00:01:02.880 ⇒ 00:01:07.150 Miguel de Veyra: Because I saw they also saw on your calendar. You have like a stand up with rubbed stems.
11 00:01:08.170 ⇒ 00:01:17.200 Miguel de Veyra: Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean, look, I got to pick and choose. I don’t have to go. I don’t go to all the team stand ups unless I can, but this team.
12 00:01:17.380 ⇒ 00:01:21.034 Uttam Kumaran: This team in marketing cause I directly manage. It’s
13 00:01:21.440 ⇒ 00:01:22.200 Miguel de Veyra: Priorities.
14 00:01:22.200 ⇒ 00:01:23.090 Uttam Kumaran: Number one.
15 00:01:23.420 ⇒ 00:01:27.079 Miguel de Veyra: I can only cancel like once a week. If I get busy.
16 00:01:28.273 ⇒ 00:01:34.430 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. Anyone want to go first.st
17 00:01:38.380 ⇒ 00:01:51.710 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, I guess I’ll go first.st I mean, I just started with the the one we discussed with Hannah. I’m just basically restructuring the entire page, and I’ll also, I think, with them. What we should do is
18 00:01:52.430 ⇒ 00:01:58.659 Miguel de Veyra: we should probably create like a ticket for the authentication. So it’s not just, you know, brain for 2025.
19 00:01:59.040 ⇒ 00:02:00.319 Miguel de Veyra: The password, like every.
20 00:02:00.320 ⇒ 00:02:05.890 Uttam Kumaran: Who on who on this team has anyone on this team done? Google, Sso.
21 00:02:07.442 ⇒ 00:02:08.470 Mustafa Raja: Yes, social login.
22 00:02:10.460 ⇒ 00:02:11.170 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
23 00:02:12.700 ⇒ 00:02:15.180 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’ve done that through supervise.
24 00:02:15.620 ⇒ 00:02:17.790 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, we can probably do that instead.
25 00:02:17.790 ⇒ 00:02:20.369 Uttam Kumaran: Do you want Mustafa to take that ticket? Then.
26 00:02:20.530 ⇒ 00:02:23.249 Uttam Kumaran: Miguel, because I want you to focus on the Ui.
27 00:02:23.620 ⇒ 00:02:29.580 Miguel de Veyra: Oh, yeah, yeah. Sure. Mustafa, how will you do? The the state management.
28 00:02:31.695 ⇒ 00:02:32.380 Mustafa Raja: I.
29 00:02:32.380 ⇒ 00:02:33.070 Miguel de Veyra: Local storage.
30 00:02:33.070 ⇒ 00:02:36.920 Mustafa Raja: Have a no, I’d like to have a context.
31 00:02:39.450 ⇒ 00:02:44.859 Mustafa Raja: Context. Api, I’d use context. Api, so it would. It would more be like the state.
32 00:02:45.250 ⇒ 00:02:47.450 Mustafa Raja: Are you familiar with context? Api.
33 00:02:47.740 ⇒ 00:02:48.940 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, right.
34 00:02:49.390 ⇒ 00:02:50.510 Miguel de Veyra: Sorry, what.
35 00:02:51.150 ⇒ 00:02:52.840 Uttam Kumaran: Using contacts in react.
36 00:02:52.970 ⇒ 00:02:53.840 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah.
37 00:02:53.840 ⇒ 00:02:58.970 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, yeah, I I never used it. I always it’s either I use redox or the other.
38 00:02:58.970 ⇒ 00:03:01.359 Mustafa Raja: It’s it’s a lot simpler than redux.
39 00:03:01.530 ⇒ 00:03:04.800 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, yeah. Redoc is a bit. You know, I used 4 e-commerce websites.
40 00:03:04.980 ⇒ 00:03:08.660 Mustafa Raja: Oh, oh, but yeah, so with context, we’d have it
41 00:03:09.519 ⇒ 00:03:13.540 Mustafa Raja: in. We’d we’d have the information all over our app wherever we need.
42 00:03:13.540 ⇒ 00:03:13.920 Miguel de Veyra: Global.
43 00:03:13.920 ⇒ 00:03:18.790 Miguel de Veyra: That’s yeah. So that’s I feel it’s it’s yeah, sure we can.
44 00:03:19.320 ⇒ 00:03:21.180 Miguel de Veyra: You can probably do that. Then.
45 00:03:21.720 ⇒ 00:03:22.530 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
46 00:03:26.120 ⇒ 00:03:31.169 Miguel de Veyra: And then, okay, yeah, I think one of the things that we we should have there, by the way, is, we should
47 00:03:31.711 ⇒ 00:03:37.289 Miguel de Veyra: like save the slack id alongside the user, or some sort of something like that.
48 00:03:37.290 ⇒ 00:03:43.269 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, we we actually have have users, ids, and this and that in the what’s it called.
49 00:03:43.270 ⇒ 00:03:44.070 Miguel de Veyra: And.
50 00:03:44.070 ⇒ 00:03:44.839 Mustafa Raja: Teams, thing.
51 00:03:44.840 ⇒ 00:03:46.030 Miguel de Veyra: All right. Yeah.
52 00:03:46.030 ⇒ 00:03:50.979 Mustafa Raja: In teams super in teams table. So we can refer to that.
53 00:03:51.210 ⇒ 00:03:53.369 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, sure.
54 00:03:53.590 ⇒ 00:04:02.410 Mustafa Raja: I’ll connect the I’ll connect the users authentication table with the teams table so we can coordinate.
55 00:04:02.590 ⇒ 00:04:03.889 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah. Okay. Good. Good.
56 00:04:04.050 ⇒ 00:04:06.310 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah. We can probably hop on a call. I don’t know. Maybe.
57 00:04:06.310 ⇒ 00:04:07.040 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah.
58 00:04:07.040 ⇒ 00:04:09.879 Miguel de Veyra: I don’t think I don’t think there’s a need for today
59 00:04:10.426 ⇒ 00:04:16.829 Miguel de Veyra: need to finish the layout. And then, yeah, I think for that, and then for the retro. I forgot. This is a retro call.
60 00:04:17.386 ⇒ 00:04:18.260 Miguel de Veyra: Pool purchase.
61 00:04:18.510 ⇒ 00:04:22.139 Miguel de Veyra: Technically pretty much done. We’re just waiting for feedback.
62 00:04:24.320 ⇒ 00:04:25.470 Miguel de Veyra: Sorry with them. Go ahead.
63 00:04:26.150 ⇒ 00:04:33.739 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, nothing. Actually, the feedback was positive. So I’ll I’ll be calling back today, he said. This is a very strong update. So.
64 00:04:33.740 ⇒ 00:04:34.549 Miguel de Veyra: Okay. Okay. Yeah.
65 00:04:34.550 ⇒ 00:04:36.109 Uttam Kumaran: Did you see my email yesterday.
66 00:04:36.405 ⇒ 00:04:38.179 Miguel de Veyra: No, no, sorry not yet. That’s.
67 00:04:38.534 ⇒ 00:04:38.890 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
68 00:04:38.890 ⇒ 00:04:40.380 Miguel de Veyra: I will check. Yeah.
69 00:04:40.380 ⇒ 00:04:45.440 Uttam Kumaran: You’re good, you know what you should do. You should forward your email to your to your slack. DM.
70 00:04:48.400 ⇒ 00:04:56.150 Miguel de Veyra: Okay, yeah, I will. Okay, yeah, very strong. Update. I’ll call you today. Okay, yeah, that is good. And then the only weird thing is the one you sent
71 00:04:56.310 ⇒ 00:04:57.689 Miguel de Veyra: the tea time.
72 00:04:58.040 ⇒ 00:04:59.929 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, what do you want to do for that.
73 00:05:02.813 ⇒ 00:05:04.869 Miguel de Veyra: I’m gonna do that for next week.
74 00:05:05.170 ⇒ 00:05:08.100 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah. Do. Next week it’s for the CEO.
75 00:05:08.650 ⇒ 00:05:11.090 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, yeah, I saw it for Ben. What’s his name?
76 00:05:11.090 ⇒ 00:05:11.640 Uttam Kumaran: Dan.
77 00:05:11.640 ⇒ 00:05:13.340 Miguel de Veyra: Then then something.
78 00:05:13.740 ⇒ 00:05:18.740 Uttam Kumaran: So I mean, so the only reason I’m taking is pool parts is our longest client.
79 00:05:20.190 ⇒ 00:05:21.000 Miguel de Veyra: Oh, yeah.
80 00:05:21.284 ⇒ 00:05:22.709 Uttam Kumaran: With us almost 2 years.
81 00:05:23.230 ⇒ 00:05:24.560 Miguel de Veyra: Okay, okay, yeah. And then.
82 00:05:24.560 ⇒ 00:05:27.739 Uttam Kumaran: I feel some. I feel some obligation just to like.
83 00:05:27.740 ⇒ 00:05:31.899 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, yeah, just you know, it’s basically Greg work.
84 00:05:32.560 ⇒ 00:05:33.250 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
85 00:05:33.250 ⇒ 00:05:46.732 Miguel de Veyra: Okay, yeah. And then for pool parts, I think it’s deployed the design we did. We did with Hannah yesterday. This just I think the one she did is a bit better than the one I you know did.
86 00:05:47.260 ⇒ 00:05:55.749 Miguel de Veyra: But other than that, I think this was a pretty good week, and then the one with the wish we’ve done, I believe, like everything I’ve set up.
87 00:05:56.130 ⇒ 00:05:59.839 Miguel de Veyra: So yeah, I think that’s pretty much it on my end.
88 00:06:00.570 ⇒ 00:06:01.180 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
89 00:06:05.270 ⇒ 00:06:06.909 Miguel de Veyra: Do I nominate the next one?
90 00:06:07.360 ⇒ 00:06:08.380 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, please.
91 00:06:09.060 ⇒ 00:06:09.740 Miguel de Veyra: Casey.
92 00:06:11.490 ⇒ 00:06:17.330 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I guess so. So this is a retro, right? Like.
93 00:06:17.710 ⇒ 00:06:21.669 Casie Aviles: what are my thoughts for the entire week? I mean the sprint.
94 00:06:22.280 ⇒ 00:06:30.079 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think, maybe just let’s just get let’s get through. Just stand up updates. And then let’s spend. I wanna I let’s spend some time at the end, and we can do a little bit of a retro.
95 00:06:30.450 ⇒ 00:06:37.000 Casie Aviles: Oh, okay, okay. So for for stuff, I’m I’m just, you know, I’m still just working on some of the zoom
96 00:06:38.311 ⇒ 00:06:42.099 Casie Aviles: tickets that we have that for optimizing, optimizing the
97 00:06:42.550 ⇒ 00:06:45.989 Casie Aviles: what do you call this? The yeah, the dynamic
98 00:06:46.480 ⇒ 00:06:48.360 Casie Aviles: like being able to send to
99 00:06:48.550 ⇒ 00:06:54.510 Casie Aviles: the right channel. So using the super base table. Just keep continuing work on that.
100 00:06:55.370 ⇒ 00:06:58.090 Casie Aviles: and that should ideally fix also the
101 00:06:58.390 ⇒ 00:07:07.460 Casie Aviles: the bugs or the miscategorized meetings. Also. And yeah, I guess for for the prompt.
102 00:07:07.660 ⇒ 00:07:14.319 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I’ll I’ll just, you know, if I need to have it reviewed, because sometimes, like the prompt is
103 00:07:15.330 ⇒ 00:07:20.160 Casie Aviles: like, we’re misspe, like we’re miscategorizing also because of the prompt, like.
104 00:07:21.100 ⇒ 00:07:29.850 Casie Aviles: for example, the sales stuff like with Ben, the bot keeps thinking it’s a it’s like a data call or a general call. So
105 00:07:30.120 ⇒ 00:07:36.680 Casie Aviles: maybe we need to have more details, for you know what? What.
106 00:07:37.140 ⇒ 00:07:40.490 Casie Aviles: how does the bot know that it’s a sales call, for example.
107 00:07:43.050 ⇒ 00:07:50.410 Casie Aviles: But yeah, I guess that’s that’s all from my side for the work. I mean, yeah.
108 00:07:56.030 ⇒ 00:07:56.630 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
109 00:07:57.580 ⇒ 00:08:03.350 Mustafa Raja: So from my side. In ABC
110 00:08:04.130 ⇒ 00:08:12.850 Mustafa Raja: amber and I splitted the main ticket into some more tickets, and so
111 00:08:14.780 ⇒ 00:08:17.580 Mustafa Raja: we can now update the
112 00:08:18.670 ⇒ 00:08:23.930 Mustafa Raja: Central Doc, using our trainer bot with the human in the loop in the spreadsheet.
113 00:08:24.445 ⇒ 00:08:35.899 Mustafa Raja: But it wasn’t well formatted. It would you know it would be a paragraph, and then, the whole paragraph would would be bold. So I look into
114 00:08:37.200 ⇒ 00:08:58.410 Mustafa Raja: what’s it? Gone? The Google Docs, Api and I have formatted a general response that is pretty good at formatting the document. That we have. It’s just and it’s just a little a little problem. Here is.
115 00:09:00.560 ⇒ 00:09:02.960 Mustafa Raja: let me actually show you.
116 00:09:04.400 ⇒ 00:09:33.670 Mustafa Raja: yeah, the the problem. The problem with that is it would. If we if we want to update the document with the specific section. If you want to update a specific section, what it would do it would replace a whole document with that particular section. So what we need to do is we need to pull all of the document in HTML and replace whatever we need, and then push it to the Central Doc
117 00:09:33.710 ⇒ 00:09:39.470 Mustafa Raja: so that we can have a perfectly formatted document. I hope I am able to explain it. Good!
118 00:09:41.530 ⇒ 00:09:45.380 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, can you say one more time? Or maybe you can share screen.
119 00:09:48.510 ⇒ 00:09:52.400 Mustafa Raja: I’ll have to record alone, because it is. It is a long process.
120 00:09:52.400 ⇒ 00:09:52.790 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
121 00:09:52.790 ⇒ 00:09:57.420 Mustafa Raja: For it to be recreated. I’ll tell you what’s happening. So
122 00:09:58.170 ⇒ 00:10:03.720 Mustafa Raja: so we have a node in any 10, right the Google Google docs node.
123 00:10:05.390 ⇒ 00:10:06.090 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
124 00:10:06.090 ⇒ 00:10:14.449 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, when we update our central Doc, through that, what we use is find and replace. So we find a section
125 00:10:15.124 ⇒ 00:10:25.049 Mustafa Raja: that by using the previous text. It the doc would have, and then replace it with some new text that the AI would have generated right.
126 00:10:25.500 ⇒ 00:10:26.260 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
127 00:10:26.450 ⇒ 00:10:33.730 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, but that particular node would do it would. It will not consider any of the formattings that we would want.
128 00:10:34.590 ⇒ 00:10:35.030 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
129 00:10:35.140 ⇒ 00:10:46.439 Mustafa Raja: So it would. It would disregard bullets, it would disregard headings. It would disregard every single, every kind of formatting. So it it will only be plain text.
130 00:10:46.610 ⇒ 00:10:47.360 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
131 00:10:47.840 ⇒ 00:10:53.590 Mustafa Raja: So the solution to that would be to use Google Docs Api’s format.
132 00:10:54.390 ⇒ 00:10:55.350 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
133 00:10:55.790 ⇒ 00:11:07.679 Mustafa Raja: And what that does is it that particular Api. What it does is it does not let us use the find and replace functionality.
134 00:11:10.220 ⇒ 00:11:11.030 Uttam Kumaran: Hmm.
135 00:11:11.070 ⇒ 00:11:17.429 Mustafa Raja: So we cannot just pick some section and replace that particular section only.
136 00:11:20.250 ⇒ 00:11:24.679 Mustafa Raja: What it does is it replaces all of the text in the document.
137 00:11:27.040 ⇒ 00:11:29.479 Uttam Kumaran: But it is good at formatting.
138 00:11:30.470 ⇒ 00:11:35.269 Uttam Kumaran: Well, oh, why don’t? Why don’t you create like a okay? I see what you mean.
139 00:11:35.270 ⇒ 00:11:36.139 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I mean, so.
140 00:11:36.140 ⇒ 00:11:41.579 Uttam Kumaran: Why, what like? What this? I guess my question would be, why don’t you just rebuild the document every.
141 00:11:41.580 ⇒ 00:11:47.469 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is what I’m going to do. Now, this is the this is in process.
142 00:11:47.470 ⇒ 00:11:50.210 Uttam Kumaran: Not every chunk. So you can just concat together.
143 00:11:50.210 ⇒ 00:12:13.200 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is this, I was very disheartened to see that it didn’t work the find and replace thing. So my next instinct was to, you know, pull the document every time. Push my formatting and the new content into it, and then push the whole thing to the docs.
144 00:12:13.460 ⇒ 00:12:14.120 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
145 00:12:14.380 ⇒ 00:12:21.520 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so this is, this is my thing. But but I need a review on review on that from Amber.
146 00:12:22.734 ⇒ 00:12:27.129 Miguel de Veyra: Sorry. Quick question about that. Wasn’t that what was working on what was working before, though.
147 00:12:28.630 ⇒ 00:12:36.039 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, but it would work without the formatting. No. So it would disregard what’s it called the bullets and everything.
148 00:12:36.680 ⇒ 00:12:37.669 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
149 00:12:37.670 ⇒ 00:12:39.900 Mustafa Raja: So, and we need the formatting.
150 00:12:40.250 ⇒ 00:12:45.790 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, true, true like that. I think after that we didn’t really like.
151 00:12:45.790 ⇒ 00:12:52.919 Uttam Kumaran: I think it’s actually be helpful for you to do a meeting where we can like this group and amber
152 00:12:53.060 ⇒ 00:12:56.070 Uttam Kumaran: like we can just like test it, live.
153 00:12:57.223 ⇒ 00:12:58.410 Mustafa Raja: Yeah-, yeah.
154 00:12:58.410 ⇒ 00:13:00.179 Uttam Kumaran: It’s a little bit hard to like.
155 00:13:00.460 ⇒ 00:13:02.679 Uttam Kumaran: Look at. Think about the edge cases.
156 00:13:03.070 ⇒ 00:13:03.510 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
157 00:13:03.510 ⇒ 00:13:11.100 Uttam Kumaran: So it’d be great if maybe you can host a meeting next week where we walk through it, and I want I want Miguel and and Casey to be there as well. So because
158 00:13:11.100 ⇒ 00:13:11.700 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, for sure.
159 00:13:11.700 ⇒ 00:13:22.510 Uttam Kumaran: this is probably something we’ll face another time. And then I actually, I want to invite one more person, Scott. To that as well. So just tell me when you’re just book it, and then let me know.
160 00:13:22.510 ⇒ 00:13:23.970 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, okay, okay.
161 00:13:24.520 ⇒ 00:13:50.560 Mustafa Raja: okay, so what? So for the for another thing, the the 30 seconds timeout that we were facing it was because the chat Google Chat Api expects the our agents or our bots to respond within 30 seconds if they do not respond. In 30 seconds Google, Chat Api would disregard our request.
162 00:13:51.368 ⇒ 00:14:00.699 Mustafa Raja: So that is why, we, we were seeing in the Google chat. The response wasn’t coming.
163 00:14:02.140 ⇒ 00:14:03.120 Mustafa Raja: I hope
164 00:14:03.820 ⇒ 00:14:08.799 Mustafa Raja: you know what I mean. Let me share my screen for that, actually, because that can be shown.
165 00:14:09.940 ⇒ 00:14:10.670 Mustafa Raja: Oh.
166 00:14:15.270 ⇒ 00:14:16.160 Mustafa Raja: yeah.
167 00:14:22.920 ⇒ 00:14:31.549 Mustafa Raja: So it’s actually a lot better now. It’s 5 to 20 seconds the response time now. But previously it was like 35 to 40 seconds.
168 00:14:32.060 ⇒ 00:14:33.960 Mustafa Raja: So this would happen.
169 00:14:35.020 ⇒ 00:14:36.362 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, this is
170 00:14:37.890 ⇒ 00:14:43.390 Miguel de Veyra: We also encountered this before. Basically, there’s there’s some specific questions
171 00:14:43.580 ⇒ 00:14:46.080 Miguel de Veyra: that just takes like a lot of time.
172 00:14:46.080 ⇒ 00:14:48.270 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, my.
173 00:14:48.270 ⇒ 00:14:52.759 Uttam Kumaran: But why don’t? But what I guess my question would be, isn’t the solution to this?
174 00:14:52.900 ⇒ 00:14:55.100 Uttam Kumaran: To build a queue and then to hit it back.
175 00:14:55.100 ⇒ 00:14:59.609 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like we are doing our client hubs.
176 00:15:00.760 ⇒ 00:15:02.150 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Okay. Great.
177 00:15:02.540 ⇒ 00:15:03.730 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so this is this.
178 00:15:03.730 ⇒ 00:15:05.569 Uttam Kumaran: So what does the documentation say?
179 00:15:05.800 ⇒ 00:15:09.140 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, the documentation just says this, this thing. It was yes.
180 00:15:09.140 ⇒ 00:15:23.289 Mustafa Raja: And then, if we want this, if we want it to be asynchronous, what we should do is we should send the message asap, and then, whenever whenever our response back, we should, we should just edit it.
181 00:15:23.980 ⇒ 00:15:26.330 Uttam Kumaran: Well, what you should do is you should send a.
182 00:15:26.490 ⇒ 00:15:27.369 Miguel de Veyra: A job. Id.
183 00:15:27.370 ⇒ 00:15:29.569 Uttam Kumaran: Message. Seems like it’s gonna take a while.
184 00:15:29.570 ⇒ 00:15:30.470 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
185 00:15:31.010 ⇒ 00:15:34.509 Uttam Kumaran: And then you should send the response back when you get it.
186 00:15:34.510 ⇒ 00:15:35.340 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
187 00:15:35.870 ⇒ 00:15:40.169 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but you should do. Some sort of you should inform the user of that.
188 00:15:40.610 ⇒ 00:15:48.389 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. Just like we are using. We are doing this with our client hubs. I think that that’s a pretty solid foundation.
189 00:15:49.980 ⇒ 00:15:56.729 Uttam Kumaran: I agree? Yeah, I mean, I would love like some questions. It’s okay for it to take time. But the user needs to be informed.
190 00:15:57.030 ⇒ 00:15:57.520 Uttam Kumaran: You know.
191 00:15:57.520 ⇒ 00:15:58.909 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah.
192 00:15:59.240 ⇒ 00:16:02.319 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. So so for now I’m working on this ticket
193 00:16:04.194 ⇒ 00:16:10.049 Mustafa Raja: Eden is done. I’m working I’m working on urban stems. And then I’ll work on ABC.
194 00:16:13.680 ⇒ 00:16:15.150 Uttam Kumaran: And then.
195 00:16:15.260 ⇒ 00:16:19.350 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. And then we have these tickets that that are in review.
196 00:16:21.000 ⇒ 00:16:22.939 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, this is it for me? Thank you.
197 00:16:29.340 ⇒ 00:16:34.020 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. I guess. Yeah, I wanted to. Just maybe do a brief retro. I think.
198 00:16:34.490 ⇒ 00:16:43.380 Uttam Kumaran: like, I just want to get like from everybody, you know. I think we have a good sense of what went. Well, does anyone want to start and kick off like with anything that they think
199 00:16:43.550 ⇒ 00:16:47.069 Uttam Kumaran: could be improved, and maybe we can just have a little discussion.
200 00:16:47.470 ⇒ 00:16:50.860 Uttam Kumaran: I can also do a fake jam board if we want to do that. But.
201 00:16:52.030 ⇒ 00:16:54.340 Miguel de Veyra: Oh, yeah, I think the fake jamboard would be a bit.
202 00:16:54.820 ⇒ 00:16:55.555 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
203 00:17:43.990 ⇒ 00:17:45.409 Uttam Kumaran: I send it in the zoom chat.
204 00:17:55.220 ⇒ 00:17:55.829 Miguel de Veyra: Need to log in.
205 00:17:55.830 ⇒ 00:17:58.169 Mustafa Raja: I’ve requested access.
206 00:18:10.190 ⇒ 00:18:11.295 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah,
207 00:18:25.430 ⇒ 00:18:27.699 Miguel de Veyra: we just go with the problems. Now, no, Utah.
208 00:18:28.560 ⇒ 00:18:33.610 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So I’m gonna give you 5. I’m gonna give maybe 3 min.
209 00:18:33.610 ⇒ 00:18:34.490 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, sure.
210 00:18:34.490 ⇒ 00:18:36.327 Uttam Kumaran: Or I’ll let’s just do 5 min.
211 00:19:16.730 ⇒ 00:19:17.470 Miguel de Veyra: There was one.
212 00:22:50.590 ⇒ 00:22:51.380 Uttam Kumaran: Good morning.
213 00:23:12.880 ⇒ 00:23:13.730 Uttam Kumaran: you know.
214 00:23:24.120 ⇒ 00:23:24.960 Uttam Kumaran: Or.
215 00:23:38.040 ⇒ 00:23:39.240 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, how do we feel?
216 00:23:39.970 ⇒ 00:23:42.220 Miguel de Veyra: Yes, good. I think.
217 00:23:48.230 ⇒ 00:23:49.250 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool.
218 00:23:51.177 ⇒ 00:24:01.519 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so it’s not that much. So maybe we can talk about everything. So yeah, like, I think, good getting better at ticketing work. I agree.
219 00:24:03.310 ⇒ 00:24:06.270 Uttam Kumaran: Our meetings are becoming more high impact. I agree.
220 00:24:06.470 ⇒ 00:24:11.710 Uttam Kumaran: tickets were mostly good. Okay, I agree. These are all sort of ticket related.
221 00:24:12.110 ⇒ 00:24:13.540 Uttam Kumaran: Just gonna move them here.
222 00:24:17.860 ⇒ 00:24:21.189 Uttam Kumaran: Tickets for everything plus looms. Okay, good.
223 00:24:22.410 ⇒ 00:24:24.940 Uttam Kumaran: Everything went well. Had a good week.
224 00:24:25.560 ⇒ 00:24:30.200 Uttam Kumaran: It’s great team is everyone is washing out for each other. Yes, I feel like
225 00:24:30.390 ⇒ 00:24:35.020 Uttam Kumaran: now that we have 3 people. We can sort of rotate kind of like pretty seamlessly.
226 00:24:35.725 ⇒ 00:24:40.470 Uttam Kumaran: You know, I actually feel like it’s a good size right now. So
227 00:24:41.090 ⇒ 00:24:44.559 Uttam Kumaran: anyone else want to add any comments on any of these or the tickets.
228 00:24:45.870 ⇒ 00:24:48.490 Miguel de Veyra: No, no, I think yeah, pretty much, you know.
229 00:24:48.790 ⇒ 00:24:52.119 Miguel de Veyra: It’s been a really good week, so nothing much to say.
230 00:24:53.900 ⇒ 00:24:55.379 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. Okay? And then
231 00:24:56.390 ⇒ 00:25:05.090 Uttam Kumaran: maybe, Miguel, I’ll pick on you first, st so something could have probably been separated 2 tickets. And please inform me if we need anything to add anything to.
232 00:25:05.355 ⇒ 00:25:07.479 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, this. There was a fuck up yesterday.
233 00:25:07.650 ⇒ 00:25:09.859 Uttam Kumaran: So let’s talk about this one. Maybe.
234 00:25:11.720 ⇒ 00:25:12.980 Miguel de Veyra: The 1st one.
235 00:25:12.980 ⇒ 00:25:13.680 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
236 00:25:16.222 ⇒ 00:25:18.939 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, because the 1st one was
237 00:25:22.010 ⇒ 00:25:40.510 Miguel de Veyra: I. I think it’s also partly because, you know, it was just a ticket there and then, basically, we just assigned it points. We didn’t really look into it that deeply. But then it turns out especially for the scraper, right? It was a bit more than what we anticipated. But yeah, I mean, we didn’t really do a spike for it. So
238 00:25:41.540 ⇒ 00:25:42.480 Miguel de Veyra: it’s okay.
239 00:25:46.280 ⇒ 00:25:49.787 Uttam Kumaran: I think it’s worth it. I think this is where I think.
240 00:25:50.230 ⇒ 00:25:53.279 Uttam Kumaran: On Monday I I asked, like.
241 00:25:53.530 ⇒ 00:25:59.610 Uttam Kumaran: can you take a look at the ticket and let me know. I think at that point is where.
242 00:26:00.020 ⇒ 00:26:13.079 Uttam Kumaran: like this team, because we’re operating on week long sprints. We don’t have a lot of opportunity for grooming. I think once I get more time, I feel like we can do grooming on Friday. But for now
243 00:26:13.350 ⇒ 00:26:20.419 Uttam Kumaran: that meeting is basically where we need to quickly read the ticket and give estimates. So
244 00:26:20.760 ⇒ 00:26:23.310 Uttam Kumaran: I think that’s helpful. Yeah.
245 00:26:23.310 ⇒ 00:26:28.530 Miguel de Veyra: Sorry I have a question like, for example, you know, we gave. We gave out the tickets after the meeting, you know.
246 00:26:29.120 ⇒ 00:26:35.840 Miguel de Veyra: Like I should. I just message you, hey? I think this ticket will take a bit more time, or we should probably separate. I could. I should just tell you that now.
247 00:26:36.280 ⇒ 00:26:37.660 Uttam Kumaran: Once you start working on it.
248 00:26:37.660 ⇒ 00:26:39.350 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, yeah, I should just tell you that.
249 00:26:40.040 ⇒ 00:26:56.010 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean you should. I think you should just either. Yeah, I mean, ideally, you should just comment in the AI team. Say, hey? I think we underestimated this ticket. It’s a bit bigger. I would like to move at this point. Move it because, you know, kind of where this goes is like, eventually we’ll start looking at linear like.
250 00:26:56.290 ⇒ 00:27:00.399 Uttam Kumaran: where do tickets start? And on average, do we overestimate or underestimate.
251 00:27:00.400 ⇒ 00:27:01.419 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, I agree.
252 00:27:01.420 ⇒ 00:27:14.079 Uttam Kumaran: Right, and then we’ll look at. Oh, we estimate this 2. But it took 5 days to do what happened there like. That’s this kind of stuff we’ll we’ll start to look at. But we need that. I want this history of like estimates cause otherwise it’s gonna be hard to diagnose.
253 00:27:14.080 ⇒ 00:27:15.180 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, yeah, okay.
254 00:27:16.570 ⇒ 00:27:18.250 Uttam Kumaran: So cool.
255 00:27:19.530 ⇒ 00:27:19.860 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, okay.
256 00:27:19.860 ⇒ 00:27:20.259 Uttam Kumaran: If you have to.
257 00:27:20.260 ⇒ 00:27:22.740 Miguel de Veyra: I think it’s just a bit more communication on my end.
258 00:27:23.990 ⇒ 00:27:24.620 Uttam Kumaran: Okay?
259 00:27:24.920 ⇒ 00:27:26.870 Uttam Kumaran: And then, please, yeah. So what?
260 00:27:27.520 ⇒ 00:27:30.160 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s talk about our deploy like process.
261 00:27:30.360 ⇒ 00:27:35.650 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think I’ve done a good job at like helping this team organize like Github and stuff like that. But
262 00:27:37.550 ⇒ 00:27:43.680 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I was hopeful that, like for anything hitting like Heroku or website, we have a. We have the staging.
263 00:27:44.400 ⇒ 00:27:46.840 Uttam Kumaran: we have the staging pipeline right.
264 00:27:47.310 ⇒ 00:27:48.740 Miguel de Veyra: Yes.
265 00:27:48.940 ⇒ 00:28:01.350 Miguel de Veyra: which was which was actually the weird thing, because I I tested it yesterday, right? And it was working perfectly. So I was like, Okay, I can just push this domain and deploy. But then, you know, it turns out.
266 00:28:01.490 ⇒ 00:28:06.300 Miguel de Veyra: I don’t know. Did we push the envs into staging? Because, for whatever reason, you know.
267 00:28:07.120 ⇒ 00:28:13.140 Miguel de Veyra: it was not there. And yeah, I mean, I had to put it there. It wasn’t really that much of a work. And then redeploy.
268 00:28:13.270 ⇒ 00:28:21.429 Miguel de Veyra: which was, you know, I mean, we tested. I tested with Casey, and everything was there, so I don’t know. I’ll probably have to double check what happened.
269 00:28:22.540 ⇒ 00:28:29.069 Uttam Kumaran: So do you think we should do a ticket on like a like, a basically a investigation into like
270 00:28:29.640 ⇒ 00:28:30.980 Uttam Kumaran: what what happened there.
271 00:28:32.476 ⇒ 00:28:36.900 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, although I wouldn’t like, you know, we should probably time box it because.
272 00:28:37.420 ⇒ 00:28:42.610 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’ll just say, investigate that like, preview pipeline works.
273 00:28:44.050 ⇒ 00:28:50.249 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, yeah, cause it worked. And then once once we pushed it into main, it didn’t so kind of pointless.
274 00:28:51.950 ⇒ 00:28:58.180 Casie Aviles: I think we should do the staging 1 first.st That that was the review app. But yeah, I’m not sure why it was working for the review app.
275 00:28:58.460 ⇒ 00:28:59.310 Miguel de Veyra: Exactly right.
276 00:28:59.310 ⇒ 00:29:02.769 Casie Aviles: We should, we should do the staging 1st before the production.
277 00:29:05.760 ⇒ 00:29:06.460 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
278 00:29:07.790 ⇒ 00:29:09.096 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Cool.
279 00:29:11.500 ⇒ 00:29:19.049 Miguel de Veyra: And that happened not only to to the demo, but it also happened to pool parts, but pool parts was entirely my fault. I forgot to add the envs.
280 00:29:19.440 ⇒ 00:29:25.279 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I guess, Mustafa, in case I didn’t see any. I don’t see any stickies from you guys.
281 00:29:26.110 ⇒ 00:29:27.470 Mustafa Raja: I had one.
282 00:29:27.830 ⇒ 00:29:29.499 Mustafa Raja: Everything went. Flynn.
283 00:29:29.960 ⇒ 00:29:32.049 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay. Okay. Alright. Cool.
284 00:29:32.230 ⇒ 00:29:36.159 Casie Aviles: Yeah, for the for good stuff. I don’t really have much.
285 00:29:36.160 ⇒ 00:29:36.880 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
286 00:29:36.880 ⇒ 00:29:37.850 Casie Aviles: In terms of.
287 00:29:37.850 ⇒ 00:29:40.130 Mustafa Raja: Didn’t actually face any problems.
288 00:29:40.390 ⇒ 00:29:45.190 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I don’t think it’s problems. But it’s also like, where do you think we could get better?
289 00:29:49.220 ⇒ 00:29:55.109 Uttam Kumaran: Cause we’re always, gonna I mean, we’re always gonna have a mindset of like we always can improve right like.
290 00:29:55.250 ⇒ 00:30:05.170 Uttam Kumaran: think about us and think about like open AI. So there is a diff. There’s a difference. Right? So for us, I want to think about, okay, how do we become the best AI team, right like.
291 00:30:05.410 ⇒ 00:30:07.610 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s something I think we should
292 00:30:07.870 ⇒ 00:30:15.330 Uttam Kumaran: should always kind of keep an eye on. And so, even if there’s not glaring problems, I think it’s helpful for you guys to think about
293 00:30:15.600 ⇒ 00:30:18.509 Uttam Kumaran: what are the things that we could try to improve on? You know.
294 00:30:20.260 ⇒ 00:30:21.030 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
295 00:30:21.180 ⇒ 00:30:30.140 Casie Aviles: I mean, if if I had something, then I would agree that you know here for the AI usage, I think that’s the next step that we could definitely do. I mean, we’ve been planning
296 00:30:30.360 ⇒ 00:30:32.880 Casie Aviles: before with the Junior Pm. Stuff.
297 00:30:33.700 ⇒ 00:30:34.380 Miguel de Veyra: I think.
298 00:30:34.380 ⇒ 00:30:38.190 Casie Aviles: So I guess it’s good to yeah to work on that next.
299 00:30:38.190 ⇒ 00:30:45.450 Miguel de Veyra: I think this AI usage we can start, you know, monitoring this and reporting on it. Once we get the
300 00:30:46.400 ⇒ 00:31:03.689 Miguel de Veyra: the login for the demo that brain forge, basically because that’s gonna be like our internal stuff. Right? Actually, I was talking with Hannah yesterday, you know, in the admin dashboard, we’re gonna see who uses the tools the most. What’s the questions they ask, Yada Yada? But I told her, for now it’s just, you know.
301 00:31:04.180 ⇒ 00:31:06.050 Miguel de Veyra: we’re more on like the
302 00:31:08.065 ⇒ 00:31:14.709 Miguel de Veyra: base, and then we’ll just figure things out as we go along. But yeah, that’s part of the plan that I talked to with Hannah.
303 00:31:15.330 ⇒ 00:31:15.679 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
304 00:31:18.510 ⇒ 00:31:21.580 Miguel de Veyra: But we do need the login cause. So so we can track.
305 00:31:22.050 ⇒ 00:31:27.578 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, okay, so maybe let’s let’s talk about
306 00:31:29.510 ⇒ 00:31:31.389 Uttam Kumaran: I think let’s talk about this
307 00:31:31.530 ⇒ 00:31:38.919 Uttam Kumaran: cause. This is probably what would be most impactful for me is.
308 00:31:39.400 ⇒ 00:31:46.850 Uttam Kumaran: I’m you know. I know we’re not all like super like type a like
309 00:31:47.160 ⇒ 00:32:05.260 Uttam Kumaran: host meetings and stuff. But I think, as you guys know, I am also like my side job is running the whole company. So I have really little time to somehow. Sometimes get you guys feedback or facilitate meetings or get you the perfect tickets.
310 00:32:05.752 ⇒ 00:32:26.320 Uttam Kumaran: And that is usually the reason why things slow down, and I take the responsibility for that. However, I don’t know if there’s another person in a company that is equipped enough to to pm this crew. And so I kind of do have an expectation or hope that you guys can bridge the gap where, when you have questions.
311 00:32:26.817 ⇒ 00:32:44.200 Uttam Kumaran: go directly to the folks that are asking for, or that directly benefit from the work we’re doing. An example is like the slack summarizers, amber and Robert are both direct beneficiaries of that work.
312 00:32:44.240 ⇒ 00:33:09.610 Uttam Kumaran: and they can give you the feedback that you need. You know. So I think those are ways where, if you’re stuck and I think my my ask would be, your 1st instinct is to go direct to the stakeholders that we’re affecting to ask for feedback, of course, for clients it’s a little bit of a maybe a different thing. But even clients like, I think, as long as we have a conversation internally, we can go direct to the client. But
313 00:33:09.680 ⇒ 00:33:13.479 Uttam Kumaran: I think this is probably be my my only ask.
314 00:33:17.370 ⇒ 00:33:23.599 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, this makes sense. I actually asked Amber to give review on the linear tickets
315 00:33:24.444 ⇒ 00:33:33.900 Mustafa Raja: email and summarize the thing. And she wanted some some kind of a format, specifically that she uses for the email.
316 00:33:35.220 ⇒ 00:33:36.370 Uttam Kumaran: Hmm, okay.
317 00:33:37.070 ⇒ 00:33:42.679 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, maybe she’ll test it more, and then we’ll have a concrete review on this.
318 00:33:43.070 ⇒ 00:33:46.780 Uttam Kumaran: But I guess that’s not. My point is like everybody is also very busy.
319 00:33:47.130 ⇒ 00:33:47.700 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
320 00:33:47.700 ⇒ 00:33:53.440 Uttam Kumaran: So you need to push like, not just in slack. But you need to grab a meeting time.
321 00:33:54.630 ⇒ 00:33:55.250 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
322 00:33:55.820 ⇒ 00:33:58.409 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s where I’m gonna what
323 00:33:58.880 ⇒ 00:34:07.540 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna keep asking to say, like, Hey, did you go meet with this person? Because sometimes there’s everybody in our company is so busy that
324 00:34:07.850 ⇒ 00:34:15.870 Uttam Kumaran: sometimes, even if you send slack and loom, it’s not gonna happen where, if you grab 30 min or even 15 min, and you show them you’ll get the feedback you need.
325 00:34:17.250 ⇒ 00:34:18.790 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
326 00:34:23.139 ⇒ 00:34:25.019 Uttam Kumaran: What do you guys think? Casey Miguel.
327 00:34:26.207 ⇒ 00:34:27.280 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, I mean.
328 00:34:27.909 ⇒ 00:34:28.399 Casie Aviles: Me as well.
329 00:34:28.400 ⇒ 00:34:28.760 Miguel de Veyra: So like.
330 00:34:28.760 ⇒ 00:34:29.480 Casie Aviles: Sense.
331 00:34:30.060 ⇒ 00:34:33.610 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, I’m sorry. Am I muted on on Tilly?
332 00:34:33.610 ⇒ 00:34:34.270 Uttam Kumaran: No.
333 00:34:34.776 ⇒ 00:34:40.229 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, I mean, I kind of went straight to the pool parts guy to, I think, what’s his name?
334 00:34:40.230 ⇒ 00:34:40.900 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
335 00:34:40.909 ⇒ 00:34:47.479 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, Cody. So yeah, I do agree that, you know, sometimes you just go straight instead of depending on
336 00:34:47.589 ⇒ 00:34:49.269 Miguel de Veyra: basically our router.
337 00:34:49.789 ⇒ 00:34:57.699 Miguel de Veyra: And then it’s faster, right? He approved me like after 15 min. If I ask you them, you’ll probably send an email, Yada Yada, and it’s gonna be a day.
338 00:34:58.480 ⇒ 00:34:59.280 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
339 00:35:01.000 ⇒ 00:35:05.440 Miguel de Veyra: So yeah, it’s, I think one of the things that we just need to work on is communications really
340 00:35:08.170 ⇒ 00:35:10.089 Miguel de Veyra: external? Okay, yeah.
341 00:35:23.779 ⇒ 00:35:30.610 Uttam Kumaran: And then, yeah, I also think that like this team should start trying to generate ideas on your own
342 00:35:32.200 ⇒ 00:35:37.580 Uttam Kumaran: like, I don’t think all these ideas are things that like I’m the only one aware of.
343 00:35:37.700 ⇒ 00:35:43.209 Uttam Kumaran: But I do think that spending time with our stakeholders is going to give you this pipeline.
344 00:35:43.590 ⇒ 00:35:48.920 Uttam Kumaran: So part of my ask to do this is so that you guys will start generating backlog yourself.
345 00:35:49.664 ⇒ 00:35:58.899 Uttam Kumaran: What you’re seeing now is Hannah amber. People are asking you for things right? That’s the 1st step. But they don’t know what’s possible.
346 00:35:59.960 ⇒ 00:36:08.479 Uttam Kumaran: Right? You guys know what you can do. And they have things that need done need to be done. That’s the bridge that I am currently right.
347 00:36:08.680 ⇒ 00:36:13.459 Uttam Kumaran: But that’s that’s also the problem is that unless I come up with the ideas.
348 00:36:13.600 ⇒ 00:36:16.939 Uttam Kumaran: It’s not, it’s there is not like, I’m the bottleneck.
349 00:36:17.070 ⇒ 00:36:28.759 Uttam Kumaran: And so I really want to push you guys to start building relationships with the folks that we’re developing for. This can also be on the client side. But even internally, I think.
350 00:36:28.840 ⇒ 00:36:47.860 Uttam Kumaran: for each team team member individually to go have a good relationship with the most important sort of highest leverage. Folks in the company. Robert Amber, Hannah Ryan, like Demo, Aish like, go spend time with them and get a sense of what they do right. Ask them to record a loom of like
351 00:36:47.970 ⇒ 00:36:59.019 Uttam Kumaran: some things that they do. See what, how you can help them and build that relationship right now, everything is going through me. And it’s not gonna it’s just not gonna scale this way.
352 00:36:59.090 ⇒ 00:37:18.489 Uttam Kumaran: like, I’m I can get us to like everyone being like, Okay, AI is real like, cause a lot of the folks don’t know what we know. They don’t use it every day. So I can get us. I can get us there to that point where? Okay, you have their ear. But after that, like, you guys are engineers, you, you’re more than capable of going
353 00:37:18.740 ⇒ 00:37:20.660 Uttam Kumaran: direct to these folks.
354 00:37:21.450 ⇒ 00:37:27.892 Uttam Kumaran: If we’re not able to do that like longer term. This team is probably gonna have to just get another project manager. It’s gonna suck.
355 00:37:28.700 ⇒ 00:37:32.540 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s where I would. I would
356 00:37:33.420 ⇒ 00:37:38.090 Uttam Kumaran: sort of like, ask, you know, for your help here.
357 00:37:41.150 ⇒ 00:37:42.640 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, this makes sense.
358 00:37:48.300 ⇒ 00:37:57.380 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah. I think after yesterday, specifically, I wanna what do you call this like.
359 00:37:57.820 ⇒ 00:38:03.070 Miguel de Veyra: oh, why is stuff happen? Okay? Okay? Yeah. Like, I wanna work a bit more with.
360 00:38:03.260 ⇒ 00:38:04.430 Miguel de Veyra: But Hannah.
361 00:38:06.780 ⇒ 00:38:17.540 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah. Cause I think you know, I especially, you know, we’re gonna be working on the dashboard stuff. I think there’s probably gonna be a lot of stuff that I can learn from her. And then I can, you know, basically
362 00:38:18.010 ⇒ 00:38:21.430 Miguel de Veyra: help help her use a bit more. AI on.
363 00:38:22.330 ⇒ 00:38:23.010 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
364 00:38:24.320 ⇒ 00:38:29.160 Miguel de Veyra: And then amber. Yeah, definitely. But I think amber is a bit busy.
365 00:38:30.150 ⇒ 00:38:30.670 Casie Aviles: But this.
366 00:38:30.670 ⇒ 00:38:33.000 Uttam Kumaran: This is. But this is where like that’s not fair.
367 00:38:34.030 ⇒ 00:38:41.470 Uttam Kumaran: See? Like, how. How? How do you think I’m able to get time with her. And you guys, and you’re telling me she’s too busy so I can’t get time with her.
368 00:38:41.730 ⇒ 00:38:43.900 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t. I don’t want you can’t think like that.
369 00:38:48.540 ⇒ 00:38:49.880 Uttam Kumaran: You get what I’m saying.
370 00:38:50.956 ⇒ 00:38:51.850 Miguel de Veyra: Yes! Yes!
371 00:38:52.400 ⇒ 00:38:58.760 Uttam Kumaran: So you you just you just did what I just asked not to do, which is say, people are busy. So what like.
372 00:38:59.420 ⇒ 00:39:05.199 Uttam Kumaran: I’m really telling you I’m not I. This is not like, I can’t put more time into this.
373 00:39:05.360 ⇒ 00:39:07.880 Uttam Kumaran: So you have to go find time
374 00:39:08.070 ⇒ 00:39:14.140 Uttam Kumaran: like saying people are busy, and so we can’t get time with her. Is not a valid answer.
375 00:39:15.320 ⇒ 00:39:16.680 Miguel de Veyra: Okay, okay, yeah. Noted.
376 00:39:16.890 ⇒ 00:39:18.570 Uttam Kumaran: You have to find a way
377 00:39:21.340 ⇒ 00:39:25.099 Uttam Kumaran: like message and say, Hey, I’m working for you.
378 00:39:25.430 ⇒ 00:39:27.520 Uttam Kumaran: Can we grab 30 min
379 00:39:29.060 ⇒ 00:39:34.810 Uttam Kumaran: like I guess I’m gonna give you an example, Miguel. I’m running the company, and I’m on this meeting every day.
380 00:39:35.240 ⇒ 00:39:37.579 Uttam Kumaran: Nobody is more busy than I am.
381 00:39:38.420 ⇒ 00:39:45.340 Uttam Kumaran: so that should show you that you can go get time with people you have to give them what the value of the meeting is. Gonna be, though.
382 00:39:47.060 ⇒ 00:39:52.769 Uttam Kumaran: Do you see what I’m saying she’ll come to the meeting if you’re like, Hey, I wanna build whatever you need me to build.
383 00:39:53.850 ⇒ 00:39:55.319 Uttam Kumaran: She’s gonna go to that meeting.
384 00:39:56.750 ⇒ 00:39:58.490 Miguel de Veyra: Okay. Okay. Yeah. No. My bad.
385 00:39:58.780 ⇒ 00:40:08.639 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, not at your bad. But what I’m saying is, break down. These like these are concepts from other companies that are crappier than we are
386 00:40:09.140 ⇒ 00:40:12.130 Uttam Kumaran: like. We are a company of busy people. Yes.
387 00:40:12.947 ⇒ 00:40:30.329 Uttam Kumaran: your job as the AI engineering team that serves this company to automate and make everyone’s life easier is to go. Make sure they’re using this stuff and make sure they’re telling you what else they need. Otherwise we don’t have a team. We don’t have anything to work on.
388 00:40:31.230 ⇒ 00:40:38.860 Uttam Kumaran: and it’s clear, right, even without them telling. We built something that they needed, which shows that it’s not actually that they they
389 00:40:39.190 ⇒ 00:40:43.000 Uttam Kumaran: don’t need anything. It’s that someone just needs to get it out of them.
390 00:40:43.240 ⇒ 00:40:54.359 Uttam Kumaran: And so this is like, Yes, I’m this is what a Pm. Should be doing. But I’m just saying I don’t, I don’t I? I just can’t go meet with everyone and get these. Second is.
391 00:40:54.520 ⇒ 00:41:02.039 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t want to go hire another Pm. To go run this team. It’s not gonna work. I don’t know. I just don’t know anybody that can do this right now.
392 00:41:02.610 ⇒ 00:41:11.009 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s what I’m kind of like trying to push for is you guys to build a relationship with everybody and start to build the backlog
393 00:41:11.230 ⇒ 00:41:15.590 Uttam Kumaran: right for me as a project manager. I’m here to make sure work gets done.
394 00:41:15.810 ⇒ 00:41:29.059 Uttam Kumaran: but, like I, I don’t have a I don’t have a complete like ownership over the backlog right? Like, if you guys are like, we want to work on this. And here’s the reason why that’s just as valid as anything I propose.
395 00:41:30.130 ⇒ 00:41:36.500 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, in fact, it’ll it’ll it will actually help. You see the value of the stuff we’re doing.
396 00:41:37.219 ⇒ 00:41:45.270 Uttam Kumaran: And what and what I’m good at in the company is breaking down barriers and getting things over the line. That’s how you should leverage me.
397 00:41:45.750 ⇒ 00:41:46.600 Uttam Kumaran: But
398 00:41:46.790 ⇒ 00:41:54.149 Uttam Kumaran: I’m also pretty good at figuring out what we need to work on. But like that is that that is also something you guys are all great at. You just may not know that.
399 00:41:55.540 ⇒ 00:42:05.010 Uttam Kumaran: So you guys can all sort of be a little bit of a mini. Pm. For your work and for this team will will really really continue to accelerate us.
400 00:42:10.940 ⇒ 00:42:13.120 Uttam Kumaran: Does that make sense.
401 00:42:13.280 ⇒ 00:42:14.849 Casie Aviles: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
402 00:42:15.300 ⇒ 00:42:17.969 Uttam Kumaran: Any like any thoughts or feedback.
403 00:42:19.120 ⇒ 00:42:22.800 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, I think I word, I probably worded my stuff wrong.
404 00:42:23.230 ⇒ 00:42:25.169 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah. But yeah, I agree.
405 00:42:33.960 ⇒ 00:42:35.190 Uttam Kumaran: Casey, what do you think.
406 00:42:37.290 ⇒ 00:42:42.630 Casie Aviles: I’m just kidding processing everything, but
407 00:42:42.870 ⇒ 00:42:45.610 Casie Aviles: just thinking of what what we could do next.
408 00:42:47.820 ⇒ 00:42:51.188 Casie Aviles: like next steps to actually get this
409 00:42:52.390 ⇒ 00:42:59.149 Casie Aviles: because I know I know that Utah has been saying also been mentioning this a while back.
410 00:43:00.460 ⇒ 00:43:04.970 Casie Aviles: So yeah, I’m just thinking of how I can, how we can as a team actually
411 00:43:05.740 ⇒ 00:43:08.390 Casie Aviles: start, you know, doing these?
412 00:43:09.730 ⇒ 00:43:10.720 Casie Aviles: Yeah, it is.
413 00:43:10.720 ⇒ 00:43:16.370 Uttam Kumaran: If you want me to start to facilitate something I can. But I just need to know that, like
414 00:43:16.580 ⇒ 00:43:18.749 Uttam Kumaran: you guys are, gonna take it from there.
415 00:43:18.900 ⇒ 00:43:26.900 Miguel de Veyra: Could we? I think, Utam, should we like assign, for example, one person per the for cause? There’s 3 of us right? So, for example.
416 00:43:27.600 ⇒ 00:43:33.469 Miguel de Veyra: Casey, for Mustafa is working a lot with X, and then Casey for X. Miguel for X.
417 00:43:33.940 ⇒ 00:43:37.260 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, we could do this a couple of different ways. One is like.
418 00:43:38.710 ⇒ 00:43:48.880 Uttam Kumaran: typically for for groups like ours, we would hold a like AI team showcase like every sprint.
419 00:43:49.470 ⇒ 00:43:54.479 Uttam Kumaran: and then I would invite the people who we build stuff for, and we would share that to them.
420 00:43:56.630 ⇒ 00:44:01.290 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know whether it’s gonna be super easy to do that. The second way is like.
421 00:44:02.600 ⇒ 00:44:15.790 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, each of us sort of owns one of those high leverage people, you know where it’s like, okay, if Miguel’s someone’s working directly with Hannah, someone’s working directly with Robert, someone’s working directly with Amber.
422 00:44:16.090 ⇒ 00:44:18.680 Uttam Kumaran: And once a week
423 00:44:19.970 ⇒ 00:44:27.880 Uttam Kumaran: you guys meet for 30 min, share. It could be stuff you worked on or stuff anyone else worked on. But at least you have that time with them.
424 00:44:28.230 ⇒ 00:44:32.710 Uttam Kumaran: You share what you did, and then get the feedback on what should be improved.
425 00:44:33.020 ⇒ 00:44:35.619 Uttam Kumaran: and then you bring that back to the team for grooming.
426 00:44:36.190 ⇒ 00:44:43.450 Uttam Kumaran: If we want to do that next week I can. I can book and come to the 1st meeting, and then let you guys take it from there.
427 00:44:48.340 ⇒ 00:44:49.440 Miguel de Veyra: Okay. Okay.
428 00:44:49.440 ⇒ 00:44:57.029 Uttam Kumaran: Or the or the or the option is to do the I do think the one on one thing is gonna be a lot better than the group.
429 00:44:57.440 ⇒ 00:44:58.460 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, yeah.
430 00:44:58.460 ⇒ 00:44:58.800 Uttam Kumaran: One.
431 00:44:58.800 ⇒ 00:45:03.439 Miguel de Veyra: I agree, like I think one on ones are always a bit better.
432 00:45:04.570 ⇒ 00:45:05.320 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
433 00:45:10.100 ⇒ 00:45:10.840 Miguel de Veyra: Okay.
434 00:45:13.520 ⇒ 00:45:14.889 Uttam Kumaran: Mustafa, what do you think.
435 00:45:15.440 ⇒ 00:45:23.530 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, I think we the team needs to communicate more with the brain food folks to understand.
436 00:45:24.685 ⇒ 00:45:31.360 Mustafa Raja: How we can facilitate, facilitate their daily tasks with AI.
437 00:45:32.550 ⇒ 00:45:38.389 Casie Aviles: Yeah, because right now, I feel like I’m more on a developer mindset than you know.
438 00:45:38.390 ⇒ 00:45:41.750 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, we need to work on our communication.
439 00:45:42.480 ⇒ 00:45:56.789 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, I mean, I was the same. But after speaking with like Hannah yesterday, because I know, thanks to them, you know, they connected us. I kinda like reignited that part where you know it’s a bit more. You have to talk to the people we’re actually building this for at the end of the day.
440 00:45:57.930 ⇒ 00:46:02.849 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah. So we so we need to communicate more with the team. I feel.
441 00:46:03.780 ⇒ 00:46:04.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
442 00:46:05.360 ⇒ 00:46:07.937 Uttam Kumaran: I also, I also just think that like
443 00:46:11.730 ⇒ 00:46:15.630 Uttam Kumaran: you’ll, you’ll find that being a little bit of a Pm. Even in your
444 00:46:15.780 ⇒ 00:46:19.329 Uttam Kumaran: for your work will be helpful, because you’re
445 00:46:19.760 ⇒ 00:46:24.420 Uttam Kumaran: like Pm’s like me, who are also engineers, are very rare.
446 00:46:24.940 ⇒ 00:46:28.239 Uttam Kumaran: And so it’s like somewhat of a luxury to have
447 00:46:28.350 ⇒ 00:46:36.050 Uttam Kumaran: a project manager that is also understands engineering. It’s very rare. So in fact, most Pm’s suck
448 00:46:37.109 ⇒ 00:46:45.489 Uttam Kumaran: and part of you guys becoming better engineers individually is to make sure that, regardless of who your Pm. Is.
449 00:46:45.720 ⇒ 00:46:47.090 Uttam Kumaran: you guys succeed
450 00:46:47.270 ⇒ 00:47:01.359 Uttam Kumaran: right? No matter what how bad your requirements are, no matter how tough the deadline is, you guys succeed. And so this is where I want to give you guys the tools to go build that, build those reps yourself
451 00:47:02.280 ⇒ 00:47:26.489 Uttam Kumaran: for this team. I think the number one thing to improve on is to go build those relationships and to make sure that what we’re building gets used right. And that’s like, that’s sort of what this next piece is is like. The next piece of this is is actually the work we’re doing gets used right. But I’m telling you that this flywheel ha! It! I’m in the middle of all this.
452 00:47:26.610 ⇒ 00:47:41.700 Uttam Kumaran: and I’m the I’m the least like able person right now to like, make sure this happens. And so imagine it’s like we go from one person to like 3 of us. Now, all care that we make sure we’re working on the right thing.
453 00:47:41.890 ⇒ 00:47:47.590 Uttam Kumaran: we work on it, and then we deliver it, and then we make sure it gets used, and then we find the next improvements.
454 00:47:48.000 ⇒ 00:47:50.090 Uttam Kumaran: Each of us can do this flywheel.
455 00:47:50.360 ⇒ 00:47:51.020 Mustafa Raja: Yes.
456 00:47:51.020 ⇒ 00:48:00.859 Uttam Kumaran: And you use me where things get broken. But I don’t get leverage unless it’s broken, because that’s where you can use me most effectively.
457 00:48:02.690 ⇒ 00:48:03.360 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
458 00:48:05.900 ⇒ 00:48:14.349 Uttam Kumaran: And you know, frankly, that’s what’s gonna allow me to continue to work on this team in addition to you know, everything else. So
459 00:48:18.080 ⇒ 00:48:24.090 Uttam Kumaran: so that that’s probably my. I know we have a couple of other things, but I think that’s probably my big takeaway today is like
460 00:48:24.818 ⇒ 00:48:28.640 Uttam Kumaran: maybe next week I’ll go ahead and facilitate some of those meetings.
461 00:48:29.105 ⇒ 00:48:32.899 Uttam Kumaran: and then I’ll for the following week. I will. Basically, just.
462 00:48:33.170 ⇒ 00:48:44.969 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, hand those to you guys. You can keep me as optional, or let me know if you want me to be there. But I would really like, and what you’re gonna see a couple of things one people are gonna if I’m not there, people are. Gonna say, can we move the meeting
463 00:48:45.380 ⇒ 00:48:54.999 Uttam Kumaran: or or they’re going to be distracted in the meeting. So you guys will have to fight to make sure that your ideas and what you’re saying gets heard. And you get what you need
464 00:48:55.210 ⇒ 00:49:01.590 Uttam Kumaran: right? It’s very similar to clients where we can have a great meeting. But the client didn’t say what they wanted when they wanted it.
465 00:49:03.180 ⇒ 00:49:11.280 Uttam Kumaran: That way. There’s a useless meeting. And so all the things are gonna happen. These are just because I set it up. It’s not gonna work immediately.
466 00:49:11.640 ⇒ 00:49:25.200 Uttam Kumaran: So this is where, like build a relationship with folks under ask questions. What do you do in a day? How can I be helpful if I could do one thing for you this week. What could I do? Have you checked out any of the things we’ve already done?
467 00:49:25.785 ⇒ 00:49:30.900 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great. Let me. Let’s touch base again on Friday. Can I go ahead and book the meeting right now?
468 00:49:32.440 ⇒ 00:49:39.139 Uttam Kumaran: it’s not gonna be easy, but like, this is the things I think you guys will start to pick up on will will help you be a lot more self sustaining.
469 00:49:44.440 ⇒ 00:49:48.390 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. Anything else we want to cover today.
470 00:49:54.620 ⇒ 00:49:56.050 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, this was a traffic.
471 00:49:57.950 ⇒ 00:49:58.570 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
472 00:49:59.710 ⇒ 00:50:07.320 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I think overall like great 2, 3 weeks. We’re pushing a lot. Let’s whatever whatever is remaining today feel free to get get done. And then.
473 00:50:07.780 ⇒ 00:50:08.530 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah.
474 00:50:08.530 ⇒ 00:50:11.063 Uttam Kumaran: Think next week will be another big one.
475 00:50:11.380 ⇒ 00:50:15.179 Miguel de Veyra: I think next week, utham, we can have basically, you know what the you know.
476 00:50:15.320 ⇒ 00:50:21.629 Miguel de Veyra: What did we achieve by talking to these people in the retro. Yeah, I think that would be a good retro next to it.
477 00:50:22.080 ⇒ 00:50:27.270 Uttam Kumaran: I agree, I agree, and we could talk about like what was hard, what was easy was.
478 00:50:27.270 ⇒ 00:50:29.590 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, and plan around it. Yeah, okay.
479 00:50:29.590 ⇒ 00:50:31.500 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, okay.
480 00:50:31.940 ⇒ 00:50:32.570 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
481 00:50:35.510 ⇒ 00:50:36.750 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, perfect.
482 00:50:37.160 ⇒ 00:50:38.630 Uttam Kumaran: Alright. Thank you. Guys.
483 00:50:38.630 ⇒ 00:50:40.030 Miguel de Veyra: Thanks everyone. Bye-bye.
484 00:50:40.030 ⇒ 00:50:41.070 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you. Bye.