Meeting Title: Uttam <> Hafiz—Brainforge-Webflow-Project Date: 2024-08-29 Meeting participants: Hafizz Manzoor, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:03:31.280 ⇒ 00:03:31.960 Hafizz Manzoor: Hello!
2 00:03:36.300 ⇒ 00:03:37.830 Uttam Kumaran: Hello! Can you hear me?
3 00:03:40.150 ⇒ 00:03:41.050 Hafizz Manzoor: And can you hear me.
4 00:03:41.910 ⇒ 00:03:43.659 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, I can hear you.
5 00:03:44.396 ⇒ 00:03:45.270 Hafizz Manzoor: Sounds good.
6 00:03:45.830 ⇒ 00:03:47.406 Uttam Kumaran: Hey! How are you?
7 00:03:48.650 ⇒ 00:03:51.359 Hafizz Manzoor: I’m good. I’m good, not bad. Sorry. I was just logging in
8 00:03:51.500 ⇒ 00:03:58.300 Hafizz Manzoor: at the time was perfect. I was yeah, I was just telling you, and I haven’t forgot about it at all. So.
9 00:03:58.300 ⇒ 00:04:08.790 Uttam Kumaran: No, you’re all good. You’re all good. I’m like, I’m always late for stuff and everyone just running around. So no problem at all. You have you pronounced your name.
10 00:04:09.400 ⇒ 00:04:10.540 Hafizz Manzoor: Easier. That’s right.
11 00:04:11.630 ⇒ 00:04:14.220 Uttam Kumaran: Nice? Where? Where is your name? From?
12 00:04:15.967 ⇒ 00:04:25.410 Hafizz Manzoor: I I’m originally from Pakistan, but settle in Ireland. It’s been quite long now over 15 years now.
13 00:04:26.260 ⇒ 00:04:29.309 Uttam Kumaran: Wow! How do you like? How do you like Ireland?
14 00:04:30.156 ⇒ 00:04:33.209 Hafizz Manzoor: Yeah, it’s nice, quite, not really busy.
15 00:04:33.420 ⇒ 00:04:36.188 Hafizz Manzoor: Not so much traffic, and lots of
16 00:04:37.050 ⇒ 00:04:40.716 Hafizz Manzoor: mountains and lots of lands empty.
17 00:04:42.340 ⇒ 00:04:44.299 Hafizz Manzoor: Not much, not much population.
18 00:04:44.300 ⇒ 00:04:45.420 Uttam Kumaran: Mother.
19 00:04:46.060 ⇒ 00:05:03.220 Hafizz Manzoor: Oh, weather is crazy to be honest, like, you know, out of 12 months we have 10 months continuously rain every day. I mean, you don’t know when it’s gonna be rain, you you just go out with a T-shirt, and you find out when you just step out of your house. You know. Right? Okay, this is raining now. So.
20 00:05:04.471 ⇒ 00:05:11.210 Uttam Kumaran: Here it’s always I’m in Texas, and it’s 10 months a hundred degrees. So
21 00:05:11.868 ⇒ 00:05:18.141 Uttam Kumaran: it’s like so hot, even if it’s cloudy, it’ll be hot and humid so
22 00:05:20.090 ⇒ 00:05:24.795 Hafizz Manzoor: Oh, good! But over here the weather is to be honest. The weather is so crazy.
23 00:05:25.170 ⇒ 00:05:38.600 Hafizz Manzoor: I mean, like everybody. Everybody loves the island. Everybody loved them. You know that hospital here, the mountain, the people, everything’s perfect. But even even the Irish people themselves. They complain about the Irish weather, so we can’t really have.
24 00:05:38.600 ⇒ 00:05:57.440 Uttam Kumaran: I just think you get depressed, you know, like I I don’t know I lived in. I lived in New York for a while, and it’s it’s raining in that part of the of the Us. And I grew up in. I grew up in the sun, and I just need it to be sunny all the time, like I don’t know. It’s it affects me emotionally. My mood, you know, so.
25 00:05:57.810 ⇒ 00:06:03.360 Hafizz Manzoor: Okay, okay, no. I was basically I was settled in Uk, and since last
26 00:06:03.860 ⇒ 00:06:13.759 Hafizz Manzoor: it’s been 8 years that you know, I moved to Ireland. So it’s quite nice. It’s a lot nicer than Uk, because, you know, I’ve been to Uk couple of times after I moved in here.
27 00:06:13.810 ⇒ 00:06:21.949 Hafizz Manzoor: Uk seems not busy to be honest, like, you know, you can’t really drive. I I was like I was driving, and I just feel myself right. Okay.
28 00:06:21.970 ⇒ 00:06:25.966 Hafizz Manzoor: this is literally a, you know. I can’t get out of this.
29 00:06:27.160 ⇒ 00:06:32.479 Uttam Kumaran: No 100%. I mean, if you’re anywhere near London, I feel like it’s so crowded. And yeah.
30 00:06:32.480 ⇒ 00:06:34.059 Hafizz Manzoor: So fucked.
31 00:06:34.060 ⇒ 00:06:42.682 Uttam Kumaran: That’s how I felt because I lived in New York City. And then I moved to Austin and Austin. It’s like there’s not much craft there. It’s very spacious.
32 00:06:43.060 ⇒ 00:06:49.567 Uttam Kumaran: you know. Everywhere you go. There’s no lines or anything. It’s very, very nice. Where in Ireland are you.
33 00:06:50.388 ⇒ 00:06:53.780 Hafizz Manzoor: Just there’s a town near to Dublin. So just beside there.
34 00:06:54.850 ⇒ 00:06:56.400 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Okay.
35 00:06:56.540 ⇒ 00:07:08.429 Uttam Kumaran: yeah. I’ve never been. I had some friends, you know. Spend some time. I don’t know where they were in Ireland. But they spent some time during school there. But like a very nice place.
36 00:07:09.725 ⇒ 00:07:14.580 Hafizz Manzoor: Okay, okay. Now, it’s overall nice, I mean, like, you know, all you can’t say it’s bad.
37 00:07:14.750 ⇒ 00:07:21.209 Hafizz Manzoor: But yeah, oh, the weather is something that you know we everybody can complain. But other than that.
38 00:07:21.270 ⇒ 00:07:23.620 Hafizz Manzoor: no complaints, a lot all really good to be honest.
39 00:07:23.620 ⇒ 00:07:28.019 Uttam Kumaran: So to travel between you. You can you take a boat or you fly?
40 00:07:28.070 ⇒ 00:07:30.990 Uttam Kumaran: I guess you’re not really going to whale, so.
41 00:07:30.990 ⇒ 00:07:43.419 Hafizz Manzoor: Yeah, no, there’s a both way you can do like. It’s really up to you. What do you choose? But travel is always more convenient, more affordable. The reason why? Because, you know, if you go by boat, you have to drive
42 00:07:43.840 ⇒ 00:08:06.629 Hafizz Manzoor: like at least 8 to 10 h. If you want to go to London if you want to go to more towards like North Side. That is fine, I mean, like, you know, it depends where you are actually going. But, like, you know, most of the relatives that we have in London. So if we do travel by, you know very. So we’ll have to travel. You know, we have to drive a car at least, but for like 6 to 8 h.
43 00:08:06.660 ⇒ 00:08:08.269 Hafizz Manzoor: that’s quite a lot.
44 00:08:11.550 ⇒ 00:08:29.489 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, actually, like again, I I appreciate the the time today. Yeah, I just saw I don’t know. I follow a lot of like design people on Twitter and I worked with a lot of designers. And now that I have my own business and, like one of the things in my business is a lot of companies like a lot of our competitors. Their design.
45 00:08:29.490 ⇒ 00:08:29.820 Hafizz Manzoor: Really.
46 00:08:29.820 ⇒ 00:08:41.399 Uttam Kumaran: Socks. And so one of the things that I really wanted to prioritize was a very nicely designed site, as well as all of our assets from presentations to emails.
47 00:08:41.409 ⇒ 00:08:41.739 Hafizz Manzoor: What?
48 00:08:41.740 ⇒ 00:08:57.510 Uttam Kumaran: Being, you know, having a 1 consistent design language. And you know, really being sharp because it’s we’re a very small company, so that one of the big ways that we can compete with. You know, larger firms like Mckinsey, and things like that is the way we display information. And so.
49 00:08:57.510 ⇒ 00:08:57.930 Hafizz Manzoor: Phone.
50 00:08:57.930 ⇒ 00:09:05.980 Uttam Kumaran: We’re about a year old. This is probably our second iteration on the website. The 1st one was very, very bad. This one is decent
51 00:09:06.265 ⇒ 00:09:28.570 Uttam Kumaran: but you know it’s kind of like what what we can do and what what resources we have. But we’re growing a lot, and you know I’m I’m trying to make sure that our website as people come and check it out through Google and through our socials, that they, you know, have a clear area about what we do and how to get in touch with us. So no, I shared kind of like the
52 00:09:28.590 ⇒ 00:09:57.699 Uttam Kumaran: the figma. You can kind of see some of our process where we kind of went through rough layouts like, kind of like what the site is gonna look like. And we’re starting to work on some new some new pages. But really kind of like 1. 1 kind of the biggest thing that we’re looking for is one. We have a couple of pages that we want to add. But second, I’m also looking for somebody to come help with the overall, you know, information architecture, but also just like kind of the brand design, like
53 00:09:57.940 ⇒ 00:10:14.549 Uttam Kumaran: a lot of you know. Again, I worked with a lot of designers on the product side. For like building software products. And for me, I’m I’m really good at giving direction and like the vision. But you know, when it comes to the details and the creativity. I’m really looking for someone that you know could take some ownership. And you know.
54 00:10:14.880 ⇒ 00:10:21.500 Uttam Kumaran: look at the competitors in the space and be like, here’s how you stand out. Here’s how we absolutely make a really killer site.
55 00:10:22.110 ⇒ 00:10:22.820 Hafizz Manzoor: Please.
56 00:10:23.130 ⇒ 00:10:34.539 Uttam Kumaran: And so that’s the thing is like, I don’t. I don’t have a ton of time to to really clearly lay out. Okay, here’s like, here’s the page. Here’s like the different you like to do a wireframe, basically. But I can.
57 00:10:34.540 ⇒ 00:10:34.960 Hafizz Manzoor: Yeah.
58 00:10:34.960 ⇒ 00:10:43.080 Uttam Kumaran: Sense of like what each page is trying to convey and give a lot of inspiration in terms of like reference sites and things like that.
59 00:10:43.080 ⇒ 00:10:43.530 Hafizz Manzoor: Well, I didn’t.
60 00:10:43.530 ⇒ 00:11:03.810 Uttam Kumaran: And yeah, again, we, I think we have a lot of short term need. And then definitely, we’ll need someone to kind of help us as we add landing pages. You know, have a couple more different layouts. And and yeah, that’s kind of the overall so interested to find what you think, after seeing the side? And after hearing that.
61 00:11:05.123 ⇒ 00:11:14.979 Hafizz Manzoor: No, I’ve seen the site. And I’ve seen the design also. Obviously, you know, when we talk about improvement in the design. Obviously, you know, there’s a lot of ways we can improve for sure.
62 00:11:15.070 ⇒ 00:11:28.969 Hafizz Manzoor: But it depends, like, you know, obviously, like as you saying, that you know, you have some sort of direction already in your mind, which sounds really good, because that is something that you know we mainly look for, or the first, st because obviously, you know, if you think about like a, we are going
63 00:11:29.380 ⇒ 00:11:43.479 Hafizz Manzoor: to change the direction of the design. So we need to know what where we are going for, and so far that I’ve seen within the figma file that, you know. There was a final site already, which I suppose been is live already, right.
64 00:11:46.334 ⇒ 00:11:56.879 Hafizz Manzoor: The live site already, which is, I’ve seen the finalized and then obviously new pages that you. There’s new page on the on the file which you says that you know this services, case studies and block.
65 00:11:56.920 ⇒ 00:12:12.919 Hafizz Manzoor: So I just want had a couple of questions in regards to direction and in this, in regards to your priority. In terms of like you know you. I I know you have mentioned some of the things that in Twitter, DM, that you know. Okay, this is these are the priorities.
66 00:12:13.340 ⇒ 00:12:23.710 Hafizz Manzoor: keeping that in mind, that keeping priority, that in mind, are we going to follow the same direction for those rest of the pages, and then obviously come back to to redesign everything.
67 00:12:25.530 ⇒ 00:12:37.539 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, yeah, I can kind of give you a sense of that. So one, there’s definitely some immediate needs like, for example, I think to consider like the site finish. I definitely want to have a page for about us.
68 00:12:37.720 ⇒ 00:12:41.910 Uttam Kumaran: you know, like, just about the team, about me, about the company.
69 00:12:42.750 ⇒ 00:13:00.190 Uttam Kumaran: I think beyond that, like, you know. The site, I would say there’s like a lead. One is kind of done where again we have a list of our services, the industry, we have case studies, and we have a blog about us. Right? That’s like, if I was thinking about any typical agency site. That’s, you know.
70 00:13:00.190 ⇒ 00:13:27.269 Uttam Kumaran: pretty good. I do think that the content and the layout, and like kind of like when you look at the site in like 2 seconds. Can you get a real sense of like? What these guys do is still a little bit of a struggle for us? One. Because again, I made a lot of the design decisions. And I’m not a designer but at the same time, like, I do have a really strong sense for what we do. Why, it’s important
71 00:13:27.270 ⇒ 00:13:54.619 Uttam Kumaran: what our, what our customers value and what our like brand language is like, what is our actual, what is the way we convey what we do to our audiences. Who’s gonna be coming to the site. So that’s all very, very clear for me. The next thing also is like, once the site is in a really good place. We’re starting to do things on social. So we’re starting to post on Linkedin on Twitter and I will need a little bit of help. Kind of like on assets for socials, which is like.
72 00:13:54.620 ⇒ 00:13:57.490 Uttam Kumaran: okay, can we make sure that the branding of our
73 00:13:57.700 ⇒ 00:14:20.670 Uttam Kumaran: of our Linkedin pages and Instagram kind of matches. The site right? What are the colors? What’s the kind of like? What are any assets we need to reuse and then I would definitely love to engage in like thinking about a redesign you know. And I do get a little bit nervous thinking about. Okay, what is a redesign? And what is our goals? And I do have wait.
74 00:14:20.710 ⇒ 00:14:33.380 Uttam Kumaran: Do I do have very clear goals. I do think that at the moment the site. It’s not very clear what we do. It’s not really clear, like how much we cost. What are the different processes. So there are some key things that are missing.
75 00:14:33.870 ⇒ 00:14:34.260 Hafizz Manzoor: Right.
76 00:14:34.260 ⇒ 00:14:46.389 Uttam Kumaran: But would love to know? Like, okay, are other things that also we can improve on how sharp the design is on like nav, and things like that. So that’ll leave kind of to you. To kind of think about. So
77 00:14:46.580 ⇒ 00:14:50.805 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if that’s helpful, or if that’s a good way of.
78 00:14:51.660 ⇒ 00:14:54.960 Hafizz Manzoor: No 100%. The reason why I was asking, because,
79 00:14:55.300 ⇒ 00:15:02.169 Hafizz Manzoor: let’s say, if we say that, okay, because we just keep the redesign on the side at the moment. Because the reason why I’m saying it.
80 00:15:02.980 ⇒ 00:15:16.320 Hafizz Manzoor: it’s it’s for, you know, like, if we keep thinking about like what it is, you know how we are going to redesign, and all that that might make confused right now. So let’s just, you know, keep the redesign part
81 00:15:16.440 ⇒ 00:15:19.190 Hafizz Manzoor: for a later right now, what we can
82 00:15:19.430 ⇒ 00:15:32.700 Hafizz Manzoor: decide. And one we can discuss on right? Okay, what are the new pages we we need and what we can improve on our current site design. Like, maybe we just take it by a section by section. We can work on the layout
83 00:15:32.730 ⇒ 00:15:50.169 Hafizz Manzoor: from design point of view, or we can also work on the copy itself, like, you know. Maybe if you think that you can increase the copy to make make it more clear to the audience like, you know, like like less just taken me, that you know I’m an outsider, and if I come to your side, so I need a
84 00:15:50.735 ⇒ 00:16:10.830 Hafizz Manzoor: you know, some time to understand what? Exactly you guys do. So yeah, if you wanna work on the copy side that I will see you so we can do section by section. And then, obviously, you know, we can improve over the time. So let’s just keep the redesign part on the on the side, or maybe for the later discussion. But for now we can just discuss Rocket. These are that
85 00:16:11.300 ⇒ 00:16:19.590 Hafizz Manzoor: the 1st thing that we need to do, let’s say that, you know, in terms of like, let’s say, how many pages do you want it? The new pages that you wanted to build out?
86 00:16:19.770 ⇒ 00:16:22.259 Hafizz Manzoor: Okay, let’s just break that down.
87 00:16:22.260 ⇒ 00:16:41.380 Uttam Kumaran: I think, yeah, I think I think that’s perfect. I mean, I think the I think also, once you get a sense of like we built these next couple of pages. You’ll get a sense of the overall like who we are and like kind of the information, and then they’ll make the redesign, you know, a little bit easier and smoother. And so yeah, let’s you can even look.
88 00:16:41.380 ⇒ 00:16:41.910 Hafizz Manzoor: Yeah.
89 00:16:41.910 ⇒ 00:16:42.759 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Go ahead.
90 00:16:42.760 ⇒ 00:16:50.160 Hafizz Manzoor: Once I’ll start working on that, I’ll have a more sense on that, you know, like these are the things that you need, and these are your competitors, because obviously
91 00:16:50.310 ⇒ 00:17:00.279 Hafizz Manzoor: the the things that, as of right now is obviously completely new to me. But if, when when I more work on the design side, like, you know, with you, and when I’ll more work on the other stuff.
92 00:17:00.280 ⇒ 00:17:00.990 Uttam Kumaran: I.
93 00:17:00.990 ⇒ 00:17:19.100 Hafizz Manzoor: Have more sense of clarity. Right? Okay, this is what you know it’s going to be. And I can suggest you even more better to see, and, if if possible, you know, to make on the to make the help life side better. So you might don’t re really need the redesign at all, you know, from the from scratch.
94 00:17:19.109 ⇒ 00:17:19.789 Uttam Kumaran: Correct.
95 00:17:19.799 ⇒ 00:17:47.799 Uttam Kumaran: No total, I mean, look, I’m not saying redesign for the sake of doing it like it’s a it’s actually. And I also don’t think it needs to be like. It’s not like a 1 or the other redesign, of course, as you know, means like I mean a hundred different things for me. I I want to make sure that that’s something I’m considering, because I know that as a designer you’re walking into a lot of work that you didn’t do right. And so for some things, of course, it’ll be adhering to some previous decisions.
96 00:17:47.799 ⇒ 00:17:55.569 Uttam Kumaran: But I also want to make sure that you have control over like, Hey, we some of these decisions, I think, work previously, but we want to change them first.st Right?
97 00:17:55.570 ⇒ 00:17:56.360 Hafizz Manzoor: Okay.
98 00:17:56.360 ⇒ 00:18:12.489 Uttam Kumaran: So everything’s kind of on the table. And again, I’m looking for somebody sort of, you know. I think immediately we have a good amount of need. And let’s even talk about some of the initial pages. So the one thing is this blog page, the services and Customers page is done
99 00:18:12.884 ⇒ 00:18:31.749 Uttam Kumaran: if you go on to. If you go on to Brain Forge, and you just click on case studies at the top, just if you just click on the actual word case studies. You go to the customers, page. If you click on service services, you’ll go to services. And there’s currently nothing on industries. So one is
100 00:18:31.970 ⇒ 00:18:40.480 Uttam Kumaran: the case. Studies and services is done. The blog isn’t done to give you a sense of what we’re thinking about for the blog. If we’re planning on using beehives.
101 00:18:40.870 ⇒ 00:18:41.240 Hafizz Manzoor: Hard.
102 00:18:41.240 ⇒ 00:18:47.969 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m not super familiar with, like, how much you can white label beehive, or if we should just
103 00:18:48.370 ⇒ 00:18:59.449 Uttam Kumaran: put whatever they are, gonna give us behind a subdomain. So that’s 1 thing that I wanted. I wanna basically try and map out is like, how are we gonna work with?
104 00:18:59.780 ⇒ 00:19:02.259 Uttam Kumaran: We have as part of this blog page.
105 00:19:02.961 ⇒ 00:19:08.579 Uttam Kumaran: The second page that has no design so far is the about us
106 00:19:10.470 ⇒ 00:19:34.329 Uttam Kumaran: about us. I do. I do have some like specs on that in terms of just notes. But you can consider this a pretty standard about us, maybe just like about the company and some some placeholders, for, like static pictures of people on the team. And then again, probably some of these commonly reused components like booking, a meeting, and things like that.
107 00:19:34.680 ⇒ 00:19:35.390 Hafizz Manzoor: Okay.
108 00:19:36.610 ⇒ 00:19:37.350 Hafizz Manzoor: yeah.
109 00:19:38.130 ⇒ 00:19:46.370 Hafizz Manzoor: sounds absolutely great. So so for the immediate right now, like, you know, let’s improve. Let’s work on the block page. And then about a space
110 00:19:46.380 ⇒ 00:20:03.715 Hafizz Manzoor: to obviously, you know, to to read, to design them about a space and obviously block. But if you say that this is something that, you know you’re happy with it. We can obviously start building on that, because I don’t see this has been built on the on the site, on the live site already.
111 00:20:04.030 ⇒ 00:20:25.665 Hafizz Manzoor: So that is definitely, you know, we need to work on. So yeah, man, I mean to be honest, like, for me, there was a couple of questions. You know what are your priorities and what is exactly you’re looking for. I know you down the line. You maybe need some extra help in, you know, in designing the other social media assets and all that. I’m already open on that. But let’s just, you know.
112 00:20:25.970 ⇒ 00:20:36.019 Hafizz Manzoor: take it step by step to make to make sure that you know we are working. Let’s say on a 1 thing in the past week, and make sure we get that deliver 100%, and then we can jump on to the next one.
113 00:20:37.260 ⇒ 00:20:48.819 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. I mean, tell me, like, typically, like your pricing and like how you work. And to give you some context like, I’m talking to a few other folks today and tomorrow, just to get a sense of like timeline.
114 00:20:48.820 ⇒ 00:20:49.410 Hafizz Manzoor: Yeah, absolutely.
115 00:20:49.410 ⇒ 00:20:53.090 Uttam Kumaran: Like I’m not looking for. I’m not looking for
116 00:20:53.170 ⇒ 00:21:07.050 Uttam Kumaran: an agency that’s gonna come in and just like, do like, okay, we’re gonna do this one month and then leave like this website is gonna continue to evolve so part of hope. Part of the hope here is like, you know, someone that can dedicate some time.
117 00:21:07.160 ⇒ 00:21:13.719 Uttam Kumaran: you know, for pretty much like ideally long term with us, where every week or every month we have a set of.
118 00:21:13.720 ⇒ 00:21:14.250 Hafizz Manzoor: What?
119 00:21:14.250 ⇒ 00:21:16.000 Uttam Kumaran: You know, request on updates on the.
120 00:21:16.000 ⇒ 00:21:16.330 Hafizz Manzoor: Thought.
121 00:21:16.330 ⇒ 00:21:18.320 Uttam Kumaran: And those can get taken care of.
122 00:21:18.320 ⇒ 00:21:28.370 Hafizz Manzoor: So what I would say by looking at your like. You know your current needs at the moment, I would say, like, you know what normally I do is I go straight where, like, you know.
123 00:21:29.610 ⇒ 00:21:47.479 Hafizz Manzoor: if there’s a project I just normally charge as a project base, you know. Let’s like you. You’re building everything from scratch. You have the design, or even if you don’t have the design, so design and development, I I just go straight away on that, and if there’s a little work on that, I hardly work on hourly basis to be honest, right? But what I can see
124 00:21:47.480 ⇒ 00:22:04.648 Hafizz Manzoor: from my perspective right now, what your need is, you probably need somebody that you know, to work on a roof site, maybe on a on a regular basis, because, you know you probably continuously iteration, all that’s maybe the new design. And you know you, you would need that to continue to improve the design.
125 00:22:04.950 ⇒ 00:22:14.919 Hafizz Manzoor: So I would suggest. You know, I would recommend to to go with somebody that you know, to own, maybe a retainer, maybe on a monthly basis that might cause you.
126 00:22:14.920 ⇒ 00:22:15.650 Uttam Kumaran: For me.
127 00:22:15.920 ⇒ 00:22:21.506 Hafizz Manzoor: And there, there’s a 2 option on that. To be honest, you know the there’s a No. 2 benefit on that. I would say.
128 00:22:21.800 ⇒ 00:22:38.560 Hafizz Manzoor: 1st thing I would say if it would cost you cheaper, because rather than comparing, let’s say that. And I would say, like, Okay, this is a a 4,000 or 5,000 project. And this and this is our charge, and this is, gonna be a month time and all that stuff. But what I would say is, if
129 00:22:38.830 ⇒ 00:23:05.519 Hafizz Manzoor: if you are looking so we can think about to having on a monthly retainer, and we can set up the hours like you know how many hours I can dedicate to you. So you can tell me, right? Okay, I need minimum for minimum of your 20 h, 25 h, 30 h to to do that. And we can decide. Or, okay, this is a per month. And this is so. This is a per month, and this is the hours that we I’m going to offer you and
130 00:23:05.520 ⇒ 00:23:09.229 Hafizz Manzoor: and the minimum. And if we talk about the retainers, I,
131 00:23:09.510 ⇒ 00:23:20.449 Hafizz Manzoor: typically, you know, start retainers from 1,900 per month. And then, obviously, that’s that include any design requests and the development in workflow. Okay?
132 00:23:21.873 ⇒ 00:23:27.549 Hafizz Manzoor: And then it, it depends. And that’s that’s for 22 h, basically for for per month.
133 00:23:29.500 ⇒ 00:23:31.420 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so.
134 00:23:31.566 ⇒ 00:23:31.859 Hafizz Manzoor: For that.
135 00:23:31.860 ⇒ 00:23:51.620 Uttam Kumaran: That makes sense. I mean, like, kind of, yeah, I’m kind of like, how I’m thinking about is we do like. And again, I know that not everybody can both do design and the web flow development. And I do have some folks on both sides for this kind of immediate need. I would love someone to do both because it’s like the 1st time we’re doing these pages.
136 00:23:51.620 ⇒ 00:24:15.060 Uttam Kumaran: I do think it’s probably like in long term. It’s maybe keeping you for just doing the designs and then have someone on retainer to just do the builds that way. You know I’m working with you primarily on design, and then that just gets handed off to somebody to do the builds. But let’s just like, let’s maybe just I think you’re totally right. It’s like, let’s maybe just give me a sense of pricing on
137 00:24:15.110 ⇒ 00:24:19.283 Uttam Kumaran: the blog and then be about us
138 00:24:20.020 ⇒ 00:24:26.019 Uttam Kumaran: and then kind of like timeline. And then let’s just maybe start with that. And then kind of see.
139 00:24:26.150 ⇒ 00:24:31.169 Uttam Kumaran: I can start. I can like, have that information. And then we can maybe just start from there and
140 00:24:32.640 ⇒ 00:24:42.930 Uttam Kumaran: see like longer term. Hey? Do I need you again like I don’t know yet how much resource we’ll need. I will say, though I’m I’m very, very
141 00:24:42.930 ⇒ 00:25:08.220 Uttam Kumaran: design is very, very important to me. So I’m less concerned about the build, because I think there’s a lot of people that get actually do the Workflow build if they’re given, you know, a really great sigma design. What’s more important to me is that we have a really strong design direction, and that we have things that are designed that can be built because I can have someone on retainer that’s just available to do the builds. But maybe.
142 00:25:08.220 ⇒ 00:25:08.820 Hafizz Manzoor: That’s just like.
143 00:25:08.820 ⇒ 00:25:17.030 Uttam Kumaran: Take the 1st 2 pages as like a as like a 1st pass. If you let me know, like what the what your fee would be. There.
144 00:25:18.310 ⇒ 00:25:18.830 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
145 00:25:18.830 ⇒ 00:25:23.431 Hafizz Manzoor: Yeah, absolutely, man, no problem at all. I can do this for sure. And
146 00:25:24.380 ⇒ 00:25:28.720 Hafizz Manzoor: do you want me to send you in in the in the writing, or how do you want me.
147 00:25:30.480 ⇒ 00:25:33.410 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, if you don’t mind just emailing that to me.
148 00:25:33.986 ⇒ 00:25:47.460 Uttam Kumaran: I’m in a bunch of meetings today, so I may not have time until tomorrow or Monday to get back to you. And I’m speaking with a few other people. But again, like I, this is something that I want to get started
149 00:25:47.750 ⇒ 00:25:55.630 Uttam Kumaran: like very, very soon. Ideally next week. But then we get started. So I should have a decision for you very soon.
150 00:25:56.340 ⇒ 00:26:05.360 Hafizz Manzoor: Okay, sounds good. What I can do is just shoot me your email, I mean, like, you know, just drop me that into the DM.
151 00:26:05.380 ⇒ 00:26:11.135 Hafizz Manzoor: And I will send over to you that you know. Let’s talk about the block page and about Page for the
152 00:26:11.530 ⇒ 00:26:12.740 Hafizz Manzoor: and and
153 00:26:12.860 ⇒ 00:26:16.940 Hafizz Manzoor: I am assuming both for the development also right.
154 00:26:18.280 ⇒ 00:26:20.210 Uttam Kumaran: That’s yes.
155 00:26:20.210 ⇒ 00:26:29.889 Hafizz Manzoor: Okay, sounds good. Then. So yeah, that’s fine. Just let me know. Just send me, yeah, you have sent the email already. Yeah, that’s great. So I’ll send that over to you
156 00:26:30.198 ⇒ 00:26:40.890 Hafizz Manzoor: the goal for these 2 pages for the design and development. And then, if that’s what’s obviously, you know, we can start working on that. You know, probably next from next week. I don’t mind.
157 00:26:42.220 ⇒ 00:26:51.490 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. Yeah. And on terms of the communication, like, we’re all everybody’s on slack. And then we do notion. But whatever is easiest to do.
158 00:26:51.810 ⇒ 00:26:52.389 Hafizz Manzoor: Past, that.
159 00:26:52.390 ⇒ 00:26:53.350 Uttam Kumaran: Stuff that’s.
160 00:26:53.350 ⇒ 00:26:57.109 Hafizz Manzoor: That’s the true one I’m using on on daily basis. So there’s no issue on that.
161 00:26:57.110 ⇒ 00:26:58.119 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, nice. Okay.
162 00:26:58.300 ⇒ 00:27:01.070 Uttam Kumaran: okay, cool. And then, yeah, basically, like again, I’ve
163 00:27:01.490 ⇒ 00:27:10.600 Uttam Kumaran: I’ve worked with designers as well. So if you tag me and fake my comments. Stuff like that. It’s a good problem for me. But yeah, send that over to me, and then I’ll I’ll get back to you.
164 00:27:11.660 ⇒ 00:27:15.180 Hafizz Manzoor: 100% man I’ll send that over to you. I’ll email to you now.
165 00:27:16.820 ⇒ 00:27:20.049 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, amazing. Thank you so much. I really appreciate the time.
166 00:27:20.050 ⇒ 00:27:23.930 Hafizz Manzoor: No problem. Thank you so much. Really nice talking to you, and I’ll send over to.
167 00:27:23.930 ⇒ 00:27:24.470 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, really.
168 00:27:24.470 ⇒ 00:27:25.609 Hafizz Manzoor: You want to do.
169 00:27:26.530 ⇒ 00:27:28.210 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Alright, let’s this.
170 00:27:28.210 ⇒ 00:27:29.860 Hafizz Manzoor: Great buddy. Thank you so much. I.