Meeting Title: Brainforge x ABC Team Introduction Date: 2026-02-27 Meeting participants: Casie Aviles, Greg Stoutenburg
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1 00:00:22.380 ⇒ 00:00:23.540 Greg Stoutenburg: Hey, Casey!
2 00:00:25.190 ⇒ 00:00:26.529 Casie Aviles: Ugh. Hey, Greg.
3 00:00:26.870 ⇒ 00:00:32.570 Greg Stoutenburg: Oh, hey! Nice to meet you. Seen your name on channels, but this is, I think it’s the first time I’ve actually seen you.
4 00:00:32.570 ⇒ 00:00:33.880 Casie Aviles: Yeah, likewise.
5 00:00:35.080 ⇒ 00:00:37.509 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, cool, where are you located?
6 00:00:38.000 ⇒ 00:00:41.650 Casie Aviles: Oh, I’m based in the Philippines. How about you?
7 00:00:42.570 ⇒ 00:00:46.360 Greg Stoutenburg: Eastern U.S, I’m near Baltimore, Washington, D.C.
8 00:00:46.810 ⇒ 00:00:47.950 Casie Aviles: Oh, okay.
9 00:00:48.100 ⇒ 00:00:51.179 Casie Aviles: Yeah. How’s the weather there right now?
10 00:00:51.550 ⇒ 00:01:00.400 Greg Stoutenburg: It’s cold, but getting warmer. And warmer here is, like… 45 degrees Fahrenheit.
11 00:01:00.670 ⇒ 00:01:01.600 Casie Aviles: Oh…
12 00:01:02.590 ⇒ 00:01:06.540 Greg Stoutenburg: So… 7.2 Celsius.
13 00:01:07.420 ⇒ 00:01:10.640 Casie Aviles: I don’t think it gets that cold here, though. It’s usually…
14 00:01:10.640 ⇒ 00:01:12.089 Greg Stoutenburg: Ever? No, that’s cool.
15 00:01:12.090 ⇒ 00:01:14.330 Casie Aviles: Yeah, it’s usually hot.
16 00:01:14.970 ⇒ 00:01:18.559 Greg Stoutenburg: No, I’m a little disappointed I’m supposed to go skiing this evening after work, but .
17 00:01:18.560 ⇒ 00:01:19.140 Casie Aviles: Oh…
18 00:01:19.140 ⇒ 00:01:20.710 Greg Stoutenburg: Pretty… it’s gonna be pretty melted.
19 00:01:21.150 ⇒ 00:01:21.950 Casie Aviles: That…
20 00:01:22.580 ⇒ 00:01:23.300 Greg Stoutenburg: Nope.
21 00:01:23.930 ⇒ 00:01:25.840 Greg Stoutenburg: So, how long have you been at Brain Forge?
22 00:01:27.830 ⇒ 00:01:35.210 Casie Aviles: I’ve started around… November of 2024, so I think over a year now.
23 00:01:35.720 ⇒ 00:01:40.260 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay, alright, cool. What do you… what do you do? Like, what are some of the things you do on the team?
24 00:01:41.070 ⇒ 00:01:44.350 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I’m part of the AI team,
25 00:01:45.430 ⇒ 00:01:50.910 Casie Aviles: And, along with, you know, Mustafa and Sam, so we’re kind of the AI crew there.
26 00:01:51.740 ⇒ 00:01:53.649 Casie Aviles: So I started out just…
27 00:01:54.050 ⇒ 00:01:59.089 Casie Aviles: Working on automations for the company internally.
28 00:01:59.470 ⇒ 00:02:00.710 Greg Stoutenburg: And then…
29 00:02:00.710 ⇒ 00:02:04.309 Casie Aviles: Eventually, we got our first AI client, which is ABC.
30 00:02:04.660 ⇒ 00:02:05.680 Casie Aviles: So… Okay.
31 00:02:06.110 ⇒ 00:02:11.110 Casie Aviles: Yep, from then on, I’ve been doing, you know, client work as well.
32 00:02:11.540 ⇒ 00:02:16.090 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah. Nice, cool. How’d you… how’d you get into this? Like, it’s gotta be so new.
33 00:02:16.380 ⇒ 00:02:17.660 Casie Aviles: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
34 00:02:17.660 ⇒ 00:02:21.790 Greg Stoutenburg: So, a couple years ago, ChatGPT was amazing, because it could, like, write a paragraph for you.
35 00:02:21.790 ⇒ 00:02:22.630 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
36 00:02:22.850 ⇒ 00:02:25.100 Greg Stoutenburg: So, I don’t… yeah, I don’t know how you learn something like this.
37 00:02:25.650 ⇒ 00:02:34.149 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I guess when I was, like… so I’m still pretty new as well, so when I was just… it was my last year of…
38 00:02:34.320 ⇒ 00:02:35.280 Casie Aviles: College.
39 00:02:35.430 ⇒ 00:02:38.799 Greg Stoutenburg: And that’s when ChatGPT came out, first came out.
40 00:02:39.170 ⇒ 00:02:43.590 Casie Aviles: And coincidentally, like, I was…
41 00:02:43.750 ⇒ 00:02:49.320 Casie Aviles: like, I had, like, a machine learning course, and we’re starting to, like, learning to…
42 00:02:49.540 ⇒ 00:02:53.369 Casie Aviles: lean into AI more, and then I also had, like, an AI internship.
43 00:02:53.690 ⇒ 00:02:58.459 Casie Aviles: So I guess things just kind of aligned from there. So I just…
44 00:02:58.980 ⇒ 00:03:03.310 Casie Aviles: decided to go AI and learn more about it.
45 00:03:03.970 ⇒ 00:03:12.020 Greg Stoutenburg: Cool. Yeah, so you’re, you’re, like, you’re among the oldest people on the planet who, who had to learn before AI.
46 00:03:12.910 ⇒ 00:03:18.419 Greg Stoutenburg: After, yeah, after you, no one will have answered a question without relying on AI for it.
47 00:03:18.890 ⇒ 00:03:28.160 Casie Aviles: Yeah, like, back then, it was just Stack Overflow, you know, and I had to Google a lot of things, and now it’s all AI.
48 00:03:28.160 ⇒ 00:03:31.279 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, oh, since you mentioned Stack Overflow, you might appreciate this.
49 00:03:31.440 ⇒ 00:03:32.910 Casie Aviles: Oh, that’s cool.
50 00:03:33.220 ⇒ 00:03:36.259 Greg Stoutenburg: Do you remember this? This was an April Fool’s Day joke some years ago.
51 00:03:36.490 ⇒ 00:03:36.930 Casie Aviles: Oh, I…
52 00:03:36.930 ⇒ 00:03:42.290 Greg Stoutenburg: The only keyboard you need as a developer is, copy-paste from Stack Overflow.
53 00:03:42.470 ⇒ 00:03:43.300 Casie Aviles: Yeah…
54 00:03:43.540 ⇒ 00:03:44.650 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah. Yeah.
55 00:03:45.990 ⇒ 00:03:56.109 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, that’s cool. Yeah, I was a, I was a philosophy professor until 2021, and then I got a job as tech, and that was, that was how I ended up in tech, so…
56 00:03:56.580 ⇒ 00:03:58.899 Greg Stoutenburg: I’m… it’s all… all feels new to me.
57 00:03:59.320 ⇒ 00:04:06.710 Casie Aviles: Oh, like, how was, like, the transition? Was it, was it a difficult transition, or not necessarily?
58 00:04:07.410 ⇒ 00:04:14.620 Greg Stoutenburg: It… the hardest part was just figuring out where my skills lined up with anything that wasn’t in higher education, so…
59 00:04:16.290 ⇒ 00:04:27.839 Greg Stoutenburg: basically, like, the short version of it is, I had been teaching online classes for a long time, and when you’re teaching online classes, you have to be paying attention to things like if students are still turning in their work, like.
60 00:04:27.840 ⇒ 00:04:38.389 Greg Stoutenburg: If you’re face-to-face, you can just see someone and ask. You can read their face, figure out how they’re doing, if they understand things. But, you know, online, you don’t get any of that, so you have to pay attention.
61 00:04:38.390 ⇒ 00:04:39.120 Casie Aviles: attention to it.
62 00:04:39.120 ⇒ 00:04:59.080 Greg Stoutenburg: signals that are, by comparison, a little more anonymous. Well, a lot more anonymous. And so, when I realized that, like, basically, that maps on pretty closely to product analytics, I was like, oh, okay, I’m, you know, all this stuff where I was trying to make sure that students could sign up for a course and be successful in it, that’s just user onboarding.
63 00:05:00.220 ⇒ 00:05:08.199 Greg Stoutenburg: I started, like, focusing on that and applying for jobs in that, and that’s the… that was the job that I got at Stack Overflow, working in product on user activation.
64 00:05:08.580 ⇒ 00:05:10.180 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah. Yeah.
65 00:05:10.550 ⇒ 00:05:13.000 Greg Stoutenburg: Great learning experience, cool company.
66 00:05:14.840 ⇒ 00:05:15.730 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
67 00:05:17.160 ⇒ 00:05:30.099 Greg Stoutenburg: I actually still use it for… I use it myself for my, I teach some online classes, and I have the students make their own Stack Overflow instance internally, and then, like, you know, they’ve got their own small knowledge base.
68 00:05:30.700 ⇒ 00:05:32.940 Casie Aviles: You’re still teaching now?
69 00:05:33.230 ⇒ 00:05:40.830 Greg Stoutenburg: I… yeah, I do, like, I do a couple classes a year that I teach online, just, like, sort of on the side, you know, stay in it a little bit.
70 00:05:41.940 ⇒ 00:05:45.019 Casie Aviles: Okay, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I do remember, like.
71 00:05:45.130 ⇒ 00:05:48.760 Casie Aviles: I also went through, like, the whole online class thing.
72 00:05:49.010 ⇒ 00:05:49.930 Casie Aviles: Yep.
73 00:05:50.450 ⇒ 00:05:56.950 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I can imagine, like, it’s tough to, you know, make sure if everyone’s still engaged as well, like…
74 00:05:57.350 ⇒ 00:06:03.609 Casie Aviles: So I… even me, I’m guilty of that, like, I would just sometimes sleep through some of my classes.
75 00:06:03.610 ⇒ 00:06:18.290 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep, yep. And, like, to a degree, it’s okay, but, like, at the same time, you need to make sure, like, it’s partly on the instructor to make sure that there are ways for everyone to, like, you know, be…
76 00:06:19.190 ⇒ 00:06:21.549 Greg Stoutenburg: Be engaged, be paying attention, you know?
77 00:06:21.700 ⇒ 00:06:22.320 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
78 00:06:22.510 ⇒ 00:06:23.100 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
79 00:06:25.250 ⇒ 00:06:26.080 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
80 00:06:26.340 ⇒ 00:06:30.490 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, cool. Let’s see…
81 00:06:32.070 ⇒ 00:06:36.279 Greg Stoutenburg: So you said you’ve been here for a little bit over a year. What clients are you working on besides ABC?
82 00:06:37.640 ⇒ 00:06:41.650 Casie Aviles: Yeah, right now it’s ABC still, and…
83 00:06:41.860 ⇒ 00:06:47.500 Casie Aviles: There’s… we have… we have a client, Leeloo, Social,
84 00:06:47.710 ⇒ 00:06:50.069 Casie Aviles: So, for them, we’re building, like.
85 00:06:50.320 ⇒ 00:06:53.349 Casie Aviles: Web application that they use, so…
86 00:06:54.620 ⇒ 00:07:01.100 Casie Aviles: Yeah, that were… one of the things I worked on there was, like, image generation that they use for creating, like, ads.
87 00:07:01.470 ⇒ 00:07:05.440 Casie Aviles: So, that’s when… that’s when I work with Pranav and Sam.
88 00:07:06.140 ⇒ 00:07:07.780 Greg Stoutenburg: Nice. Okay.
89 00:07:08.780 ⇒ 00:07:09.470 Greg Stoutenburg: Cool.
90 00:07:09.740 ⇒ 00:07:16.630 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, I’m working on Eden and Default right now, doing product analytics for Default.
91 00:07:16.760 ⇒ 00:07:22.199 Greg Stoutenburg: And they had, like, they had a really basic amplitude setup running, but…
92 00:07:22.600 ⇒ 00:07:30.160 Greg Stoutenburg: they wanted to use posthog, so I’m working with Mustafa, and we’re, we’re getting event tracking in good shape for them.
93 00:07:30.160 ⇒ 00:07:44.090 Greg Stoutenburg: And then they’ll launch a new product, and I’m helping with onboarding as well. Just yesterday, I was talking to their head of product about ways to improve onboarding, which is nice, because it’s like, alright, cool, this is, you know, this is the kind of thing that I learned how to do with Stack Overflow back in the day.
94 00:07:44.150 ⇒ 00:07:46.699 Greg Stoutenburg: And then for Eden…
95 00:07:46.770 ⇒ 00:07:49.630 Greg Stoutenburg: kind of a variety of things. I don’t know, they ask for new stuff all the time, so…
96 00:07:49.630 ⇒ 00:07:50.050 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
97 00:07:50.100 ⇒ 00:07:51.749 Greg Stoutenburg: Eden’s fun to work for.
98 00:07:52.730 ⇒ 00:07:56.930 Greg Stoutenburg: But similar, you know, analytics, marketing strategy, things like that.
99 00:07:58.590 ⇒ 00:08:06.230 Casie Aviles: Oh, nice, yeah. I’ve been here and there for Eden, like, sometimes I work… I do a little bit of work there, but…
100 00:08:06.770 ⇒ 00:08:07.420 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
101 00:08:07.420 ⇒ 00:08:08.060 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
102 00:08:08.530 ⇒ 00:08:09.090 Greg Stoutenburg: Yup.
103 00:08:09.350 ⇒ 00:08:12.419 Casie Aviles: I haven’t… I’d like… I’m a bit late.
104 00:08:13.330 ⇒ 00:08:15.050 Casie Aviles: What do you call this, like…
105 00:08:15.430 ⇒ 00:08:22.259 Casie Aviles: scared sometimes when I work with them, because there’s just so many things going on, and I don’t have a lot of contacts.
106 00:08:22.820 ⇒ 00:08:25.789 Casie Aviles: With a lot of the things that are happening there.
107 00:08:26.540 ⇒ 00:08:27.250 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
108 00:08:27.460 ⇒ 00:08:35.630 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, that’s, I think that’s a universal experience, working with them. So, yeah, I,
109 00:08:35.650 ⇒ 00:08:49.199 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, I was sort of pulled in when Henry left, and yeah. Yeah, there was just… there was just really not much of a handoff, so it’s been a lot of… there’s been a lot of figuring out, like, well, what was happening before? Like, what…
110 00:08:49.250 ⇒ 00:08:51.530 Greg Stoutenburg: what are the client’s expectations here? Because…
111 00:08:51.800 ⇒ 00:08:54.820 Greg Stoutenburg: You know, it’s kind of just like, here’s a report I was working on, good luck.
112 00:08:55.810 ⇒ 00:08:56.550 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
113 00:08:56.940 ⇒ 00:08:57.570 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
114 00:08:58.660 ⇒ 00:09:01.490 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, what do you do outside of work?
115 00:09:04.190 ⇒ 00:09:08.430 Casie Aviles: I don’t get to go outside much, admittedly, but…
116 00:09:08.800 ⇒ 00:09:13.329 Casie Aviles: Well, I tend to, like, do more creative stuff, like…
117 00:09:14.070 ⇒ 00:09:26.509 Casie Aviles: One of my hobbies is, like, digital illustration, or, like, just drawing in general. Sometimes I… I don’t get to draw as much now, but that’s one thing that I used to do a lot of, and…
118 00:09:26.770 ⇒ 00:09:34.730 Casie Aviles: you know, just other, like, nerdy stuff, like video games or watching movies sometimes when I get the time.
119 00:09:36.300 ⇒ 00:09:38.270 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, like, what games?
120 00:09:39.070 ⇒ 00:09:40.380 Greg Stoutenburg: Oh, charm.
121 00:09:41.180 ⇒ 00:09:43.430 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I, I…
122 00:09:43.570 ⇒ 00:09:48.430 Casie Aviles: what were the games that I… I play a lot, but one that I love are…
123 00:09:49.250 ⇒ 00:09:55.319 Casie Aviles: survival horror games, and then some RPG as well, because those are the ones I like to play.
124 00:09:55.890 ⇒ 00:10:02.859 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah. The last thing I’ve played that would count even remotely survival horror, would have to be The Last of Us 2.
125 00:10:03.100 ⇒ 00:10:08.340 Casie Aviles: Oh… Yeah, that… I haven’t played it. I played the first one, though.
126 00:10:09.010 ⇒ 00:10:09.660 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
127 00:10:09.860 ⇒ 00:10:11.040 Casie Aviles: The one… Yeah.
128 00:10:11.260 ⇒ 00:10:12.220 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, so good.
129 00:10:12.970 ⇒ 00:10:13.780 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
130 00:10:13.970 ⇒ 00:10:23.089 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, I don’t know, less… less time for games now, but I… I don’t know, I feel like the older I get, the more the second work is over, I’m like, computer closed, I just want to go.
131 00:10:23.090 ⇒ 00:10:23.860 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
132 00:10:23.860 ⇒ 00:10:28.059 Greg Stoutenburg: to go outside, I don’t want to look at a screen. So, yeah.
133 00:10:28.410 ⇒ 00:10:29.550 Casie Aviles: Yeah, same, like…
134 00:10:29.880 ⇒ 00:10:30.540 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
135 00:10:31.130 ⇒ 00:10:36.409 Casie Aviles: If I could… if I could go out, I would probably go out a lot more, too.
136 00:10:37.860 ⇒ 00:10:44.700 Casie Aviles: I guess, like, there’s just not a lot of, like, chances for me, but what do you do, like, you know, any outdoorsy stuff? Do you…
137 00:10:46.550 ⇒ 00:10:52.310 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah, I, so I, like, in the winter, I like to ski.
138 00:10:52.990 ⇒ 00:11:09.399 Greg Stoutenburg: So, I’ll go skiing at a place that’s about 40 minutes away from here. I’ll get my kid after school, and we’ll go. I’ve got two kids, they’re 13 and 10. I play ice hockey at a local rink here, once… about once a week.
139 00:11:09.540 ⇒ 00:11:12.540 Greg Stoutenburg: That’s nice, good exercise.
140 00:11:12.930 ⇒ 00:11:13.680 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
141 00:11:13.850 ⇒ 00:11:25.389 Greg Stoutenburg: I don’t know, in the summer, hike, just be outside, unless it’s too hot, and then I hate it. I go camping, but it’s, like, such a hassle that I do it less than I used to, but I’m trying to get over that.
142 00:11:26.660 ⇒ 00:11:29.970 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, like, it’s nice that you have… Ride a motorcycle.
143 00:11:31.390 ⇒ 00:11:33.659 Casie Aviles: It’s nice that you get to do all that, because…
144 00:11:33.660 ⇒ 00:11:36.470 Greg Stoutenburg: I think what I’m trying to do is…
145 00:11:36.580 ⇒ 00:11:42.150 Casie Aviles: when I’m just inside, like, I bought, like, weights or stuff, like, Yeah.
146 00:11:42.460 ⇒ 00:11:56.500 Casie Aviles: I would just try to keep myself moving, even if I’m inside the house, but I think sometimes it’s good to also, like, make it more interesting, like, doing more outdoor stuff or supports, so it’s not just doing…
147 00:11:56.810 ⇒ 00:11:59.639 Casie Aviles: Sets or repetitions, like…
148 00:12:00.240 ⇒ 00:12:03.910 Casie Aviles: I don’t know. For me, that could be more fun, at least.
149 00:12:04.620 ⇒ 00:12:05.440 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, definitely.
150 00:12:05.440 ⇒ 00:12:07.470 Casie Aviles: physical, and that’s what I’ve seen.
151 00:12:07.590 ⇒ 00:12:08.270 Casie Aviles: Explorer.
152 00:12:08.270 ⇒ 00:12:08.980 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
153 00:12:09.950 ⇒ 00:12:18.310 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, definitely, like, and yeah, I mean, adding fun to anything makes you want to do it more. So, so sports are a good way to work out.
154 00:12:18.520 ⇒ 00:12:19.350 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
155 00:12:19.490 ⇒ 00:12:21.119 Casie Aviles: Sports and competition.
156 00:12:21.330 ⇒ 00:12:22.610 Greg Stoutenburg: are motivating.
157 00:12:23.080 ⇒ 00:12:23.720 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
158 00:12:23.910 ⇒ 00:12:24.560 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
159 00:12:25.110 ⇒ 00:12:26.860 Casie Aviles: If I ever get into…
160 00:12:27.000 ⇒ 00:12:34.100 Greg Stoutenburg: I guess hiking, that’s also something I would see some of my friends doing, so I might go for you for tips, then.
161 00:12:34.360 ⇒ 00:12:38.890 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, let’s do it. Let’s… let’s talk. I’ll talk, motivation strategy.
162 00:12:38.890 ⇒ 00:12:39.620 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
163 00:12:40.350 ⇒ 00:12:47.699 Casie Aviles: And, like, maybe even, like, gear, like, I don’t even know if I need that much gear, or if I’m just starting out, or…
164 00:12:50.290 ⇒ 00:12:53.900 Greg Stoutenburg: I think entry level for anything is just go do it.
165 00:12:53.900 ⇒ 00:12:54.350 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
166 00:12:54.540 ⇒ 00:12:57.549 Casie Aviles: If you decide you like it, then spend all your money on all the equipment.
167 00:12:58.020 ⇒ 00:12:58.900 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
168 00:12:59.380 ⇒ 00:13:06.699 Greg Stoutenburg: I think that’s the way to go, yeah. It’s hard for me to enter a hobby and not spend $200 on it right away.
169 00:13:07.560 ⇒ 00:13:12.850 Greg Stoutenburg: Because the moment it seems like a good idea, it’s like, alright, my whole life, I’m gonna do this every week now.
170 00:13:13.000 ⇒ 00:13:14.609 Greg Stoutenburg: And then I do it one time and quit.
171 00:13:15.350 ⇒ 00:13:15.920 Casie Aviles: Yes.
172 00:13:15.920 ⇒ 00:13:18.170 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
173 00:13:20.420 ⇒ 00:13:22.939 Greg Stoutenburg: Ugh, alright, what are you up to this weekend?
174 00:13:24.360 ⇒ 00:13:27.089 Casie Aviles: I don’t have any plans yet, but…
175 00:13:28.490 ⇒ 00:13:35.349 Casie Aviles: Yeah, actually, I don’t know, I’m just probably going to sleep, since the time zone is…
176 00:13:36.200 ⇒ 00:13:37.889 Casie Aviles: For me, I work nights.
177 00:13:38.810 ⇒ 00:13:43.130 Casie Aviles: So I try to get as much sleep back during the day.
178 00:13:43.570 ⇒ 00:13:43.900 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
179 00:13:43.900 ⇒ 00:13:50.240 Casie Aviles: That’s why I don’t get… Much chances to go outside, because my… my… my body clock is, like, flipped.
180 00:13:50.860 ⇒ 00:13:52.339 Greg Stoutenburg: Cause it’s the middle of the night, yeah.
181 00:13:52.340 ⇒ 00:13:58.690 Casie Aviles: Yeah, so there’s, like, what am I supposed to do, like, when I’m outside at night, in the middle of the night, so…
182 00:13:58.830 ⇒ 00:13:59.840 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah. And…
183 00:13:59.840 ⇒ 00:14:05.919 Casie Aviles: I would just, like, stay at home then, but sometimes I try to reset it so I could go outside.
184 00:14:06.440 ⇒ 00:14:06.800 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
185 00:14:06.800 ⇒ 00:14:13.369 Casie Aviles: But, yeah, that’s very… that’s very rare now. So I’ll probably be just sleeping.
186 00:14:13.370 ⇒ 00:14:20.249 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, that’s tough. Is that like a… is that like a Brainforge thing? Like, you’re expected to work during U.S. business hours, or…
187 00:14:20.760 ⇒ 00:14:21.270 Greg Stoutenburg: marijuana.
188 00:14:21.270 ⇒ 00:14:21.780 Casie Aviles: messages.
189 00:14:21.780 ⇒ 00:14:23.220 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah. A preference?
190 00:14:23.410 ⇒ 00:14:27.830 Casie Aviles: I think it’s… well, I think an overlap is good.
191 00:14:27.940 ⇒ 00:14:31.410 Casie Aviles: Since there are some things that we need to do, like, synchronously.
192 00:14:31.670 ⇒ 00:14:36.660 Casie Aviles: But I think Brainforge has been quite flexible. It’s just that I’ve been…
193 00:14:37.080 ⇒ 00:14:43.250 Casie Aviles: Yeah, so I was at another company before Brain Forge, and it was just, like, a similar situation, so…
194 00:14:43.890 ⇒ 00:14:47.710 Casie Aviles: Kind of, like, my body got used to it now, so…
195 00:14:47.710 ⇒ 00:14:49.569 Greg Stoutenburg: I would just prefer working.
196 00:14:50.380 ⇒ 00:14:53.999 Casie Aviles: At nights, and it’s also just much easier for me to
197 00:14:54.460 ⇒ 00:15:00.540 Casie Aviles: get work done that way, because I… everyone in the team is there, and I can talk to them.
198 00:15:01.110 ⇒ 00:15:04.879 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that makes sense. Yeah, I,
199 00:15:05.150 ⇒ 00:15:09.709 Greg Stoutenburg: before coming to Brainforge, I worked at a company that was largely Eastern Europe hours.
200 00:15:10.100 ⇒ 00:15:27.760 Greg Stoutenburg: But they… they didn’t require at all that people are, like, online at the same time, so it was kind of nice. Every afternoon, by the time… so by the time it was noon for me, it was 6 p.m. for them, and everyone besides, like, senior leadership would be off for the day. So, I had half the day to just…
201 00:15:27.900 ⇒ 00:15:30.189 Greg Stoutenburg: You know, for focus time. It was great.
202 00:15:31.050 ⇒ 00:15:31.880 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
203 00:15:32.100 ⇒ 00:15:32.810 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
204 00:15:33.300 ⇒ 00:15:37.609 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, you get a lot more interruptions when other people are online, sending you messages, distracting you.
205 00:15:37.610 ⇒ 00:15:42.370 Casie Aviles: That’s true, like, yeah, I try to, like, also…
206 00:15:42.520 ⇒ 00:15:53.300 Casie Aviles: work a little earlier, so I could just get deep work done. So, since I noticed, like, if I get… if I’m on Slack, I tend to get distracted easily.
207 00:15:53.550 ⇒ 00:15:53.910 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
208 00:15:53.910 ⇒ 00:15:58.939 Casie Aviles: and I… and I don’t get the stuff I’m doing done, so… Yeah.
209 00:15:58.940 ⇒ 00:16:00.840 Greg Stoutenburg: Too many flashing buttons to click, yeah.
210 00:16:00.840 ⇒ 00:16:01.570 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
211 00:16:01.980 ⇒ 00:16:02.610 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
212 00:16:02.940 ⇒ 00:16:03.750 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
213 00:16:04.890 ⇒ 00:16:07.490 Casie Aviles: How about you? Like, do you have any plans this weekend?
214 00:16:08.540 ⇒ 00:16:13.760 Greg Stoutenburg: So I… Will,
215 00:16:14.500 ⇒ 00:16:18.129 Greg Stoutenburg: Jeez, what planes do I have tomorrow? So I have a hockey game Sunday, midday.
216 00:16:18.130 ⇒ 00:16:18.670 Casie Aviles: Oh, cool.
217 00:16:18.670 ⇒ 00:16:28.609 Greg Stoutenburg: Tonight, skiing, like I said. Tomorrow, probably clean up around here a lot. Yeah. Yeah.
218 00:16:28.920 ⇒ 00:16:32.759 Greg Stoutenburg: get… get stuff done, but that’s… that’s not fun at all, so, I don’t know.
219 00:16:33.310 ⇒ 00:16:36.030 Greg Stoutenburg: Maybe I’ll squeeze in time for a motorcycle ride, depending on the weather.
220 00:16:37.070 ⇒ 00:16:38.530 Casie Aviles: Oh, that’s nice.
221 00:16:38.890 ⇒ 00:16:39.540 Greg Stoutenburg: No.
222 00:16:40.250 ⇒ 00:16:42.679 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, it helps, you know, yeah.
223 00:16:43.010 ⇒ 00:16:44.420 Greg Stoutenburg: It’s nice to get out.
224 00:16:44.970 ⇒ 00:16:50.770 Casie Aviles: That’s true. That makes my weekend sound so boring now.
225 00:16:51.030 ⇒ 00:16:51.700 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
226 00:16:51.700 ⇒ 00:16:53.920 Greg Stoutenburg: You can go for a ride at night, but it’s not as safe.
227 00:16:54.860 ⇒ 00:17:04.170 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, the, I’ve only gone out for rides at night a handful of times, and it’s just… it is not a comfortable feeling. Like, something could just pop out of nowhere.
228 00:17:04.910 ⇒ 00:17:07.030 Greg Stoutenburg: It really hurt. Yeah.
229 00:17:07.319 ⇒ 00:17:14.049 Greg Stoutenburg: So… Ugh, alright, I’ve got some things I should get to, so I think I’m gonna wrap up.
230 00:17:14.290 ⇒ 00:17:18.270 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah. Good to chat. Yeah, glad we got to talk finally.
231 00:17:18.470 ⇒ 00:17:21.790 Casie Aviles: Yeah, nice to meet you, Greg, and great chatting with you as well.
232 00:17:21.960 ⇒ 00:17:24.579 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, great talk. Alright, have a good weekend. See ya.
233 00:17:24.589 ⇒ 00:17:25.229 Casie Aviles: Bye.
234 00:17:25.740 ⇒ 00:17:26.420 Greg Stoutenburg: Bye.