2025-11-12_brainforge_x_abc_project_sync_a96eece5

Meeting Title: Brainforge x ABC Project Sync Date: 2025-11-12 Meeting participants: Samuel Roberts, Mustafa Raja, Casie Aviles, Gabriel Lam, Rico Rejoso, Uttam Kumaran, Henry Zhao, Awaish Kumar, Robert Tseng, Demilade Agboola, Zoran Selinger, Amber Lin

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1 00:00:13.680 ⇒ 00:00:17.820 Mustafa Raja: Okay… Oh, hey, do you think?

2 00:00:17.820 ⇒ 00:00:19.350 Samuel Roberts: Hey, Casey!

3 00:00:20.830 ⇒ 00:00:22.049 Casie Aviles: Hey, guys.

4 00:00:22.050 ⇒ 00:00:22.930 Samuel Roberts: Power back?

5 00:00:23.810 ⇒ 00:00:26.619 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I just got it back today.

6 00:00:26.620 ⇒ 00:00:27.410 Samuel Roberts: Okay.

7 00:00:27.550 ⇒ 00:00:28.710 Mustafa Raja: That’s nice.

8 00:00:29.840 ⇒ 00:00:36.710 Casie Aviles: Yeah. Fortunately, everything’s, safe. Everyone’s safe, so…

9 00:00:37.670 ⇒ 00:00:43.089 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, was it… was the typhoon, bad? How does it look like?

10 00:00:43.970 ⇒ 00:00:51.530 Casie Aviles: Yeah, it was pretty bad, but, thankfully, like, in our area here in the north, there’s, like, a mountain range that

11 00:00:51.690 ⇒ 00:00:56.730 Casie Aviles: That helps protect us, you know, kind of mitigates the damage.

12 00:00:57.680 ⇒ 00:00:58.840 Casie Aviles: That’s fine.

13 00:00:59.070 ⇒ 00:01:03.239 Casie Aviles: But yeah, the winds were really strong, so a lot of the…

14 00:01:04.030 ⇒ 00:01:07.080 Casie Aviles: Like, a lot of the, you know, the power…

15 00:01:08.070 ⇒ 00:01:08.550 Samuel Roberts: Right.

16 00:01:08.550 ⇒ 00:01:10.499 Casie Aviles: It got damaged, so…

17 00:01:11.150 ⇒ 00:01:20.280 Casie Aviles: It took some time to get fixed, so I was just, trying to get some work done in the mornings, in coffee shops, but…

18 00:01:20.950 ⇒ 00:01:24.630 Casie Aviles: They were full with… a lot of people had the same idea.

19 00:01:24.630 ⇒ 00:01:27.009 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I bet. Yeah.

20 00:01:27.510 ⇒ 00:01:28.690 Mustafa Raja: Good to have you back.

21 00:01:28.690 ⇒ 00:01:29.810 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, wow.

22 00:01:30.780 ⇒ 00:01:31.490 Casie Aviles: Yeah.

23 00:01:32.390 ⇒ 00:01:33.510 Casie Aviles: Thank you, guys.

24 00:01:34.790 ⇒ 00:01:37.599 Casie Aviles: Alrighty. I was just curious about the work…

25 00:01:37.600 ⇒ 00:01:37.990 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

26 00:01:37.990 ⇒ 00:01:39.610 Casie Aviles: So far.

27 00:01:40.970 ⇒ 00:01:45.319 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so this week we’re looking at the case study, PRD.

28 00:01:45.810 ⇒ 00:01:50.759 Samuel Roberts: And trying to build out, like, an automated system for doing… generating the case studies.

29 00:01:50.790 ⇒ 00:01:53.429 Casie Aviles: You’ve done case studies with Hannah, right, where you’ve been interviewed?

30 00:01:53.980 ⇒ 00:01:54.980 Casie Aviles: Yes, yes.

31 00:01:54.980 ⇒ 00:01:58.769 Samuel Roberts: So we’re basically automating that interview process and the generation from there.

32 00:02:00.550 ⇒ 00:02:02.270 Casie Aviles: Okay. That’s the…

33 00:02:02.270 ⇒ 00:02:08.200 Samuel Roberts: High-level, you know, view, but… Yeah, I haven’t had a chance to watch the new…

34 00:02:08.930 ⇒ 00:02:11.209 Samuel Roberts: the new loom yet,

35 00:02:11.910 ⇒ 00:02:15.399 Samuel Roberts: So I don’t know, Ms. Natha, if you want to just quickly summarize where we are?

36 00:02:15.910 ⇒ 00:02:22.160 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so, we have all of the crud that we wanted for…

37 00:02:22.320 ⇒ 00:02:26.860 Mustafa Raja: I guess I can walk… walk you through…

38 00:03:08.370 ⇒ 00:03:17.260 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so the crux of it is, I was able to, get the CRUD out, so we can now, create and update the

39 00:03:17.350 ⇒ 00:03:28.770 Mustafa Raja: what’s it called? The case studies. And then the interviewees that are assigned to the case study are, only those who would be able to take those case, those interviews.

40 00:03:29.060 ⇒ 00:03:30.040 Mustafa Raja: Great.

41 00:03:31.340 ⇒ 00:03:37.419 Mustafa Raja: And then after that, I also created the, two agents that Hannah uses.

42 00:03:37.630 ⇒ 00:03:51.679 Mustafa Raja: So once the interview is done, the marketing people should be able to, go ahead and generate those outputs. And we don’t have ability to edit those outputs, since we wanted to do that.

43 00:03:51.860 ⇒ 00:03:57.350 Mustafa Raja: And then, obviously, we run, any of those two agents individually.

44 00:03:59.970 ⇒ 00:04:00.800 Samuel Roberts: Okay.

45 00:04:01.060 ⇒ 00:04:02.349 Mustafa Raja: And that’s the distance.

46 00:04:02.540 ⇒ 00:04:03.210 Samuel Roberts: Great.

47 00:04:05.510 ⇒ 00:04:08.020 Mustafa Raja: Hey, Tom. Hey.

48 00:04:08.490 ⇒ 00:04:15.550 Mustafa Raja: Oh… ideas, so I guess we can talk about these ones. Yeah, I saw that this morning.

49 00:04:16.160 ⇒ 00:04:17.820 Mustafa Raja: Hannah’s review also.

50 00:04:18.820 ⇒ 00:04:25.319 Mustafa Raja: I guess this… this would be more… more towards how we should, adjust the system prompt.

51 00:04:25.810 ⇒ 00:04:26.170 Gabriel Lam: Yeah.

52 00:04:27.280 ⇒ 00:04:27.940 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

53 00:04:28.890 ⇒ 00:04:35.790 Mustafa Raja: The first one looks like, yeah, this one is also… System from…

54 00:04:38.070 ⇒ 00:04:42.529 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I guess we… we would want to talk about these, and then this also.

55 00:04:48.000 ⇒ 00:04:52.899 Gabriel Lam: I feel like for Hannah’s feedback, it’s more just optimizing the agent prompt.

56 00:04:53.310 ⇒ 00:05:05.240 Gabriel Lam: But I’m curious if… Like, how would the copy… Generate, like, a sketch of… of the

57 00:05:05.440 ⇒ 00:05:12.670 Gabriel Lam: Figma itself. Like, is it gonna give us a diagram? Is it gonna give us… Yeah, I guess, description.

58 00:05:13.190 ⇒ 00:05:17.969 Mustafa Raja: I guess Utam is suggesting that we should use Figma MCP.

59 00:05:18.080 ⇒ 00:05:20.180 Mustafa Raja: To create the first draft.

60 00:05:20.330 ⇒ 00:05:24.509 Gabriel Lam: So, I guess we would have to look into…

61 00:05:24.510 ⇒ 00:05:29.050 Mustafa Raja: the MCP that Figma is providing to see what we can do with this.

62 00:05:29.720 ⇒ 00:05:31.659 Samuel Roberts: Does the Figma MCP let you go…

63 00:05:31.940 ⇒ 00:05:39.390 Samuel Roberts: to Figma from an AI. I thought it let you take designs from Figma And pass it into…

64 00:05:39.390 ⇒ 00:05:41.910 Mustafa Raja: I haven’t looked at it, I… I don’t.

65 00:05:41.910 ⇒ 00:05:47.449 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I don’t remember if it’s two-way. I feel like they’ve been releasing updates pretty rapidly, so…

66 00:05:47.750 ⇒ 00:05:54.469 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, because I looked at it a while back, and I think it was just, like, here’s the design, and it lets you… it lets the agent know more about it.

67 00:05:54.710 ⇒ 00:06:01.059 Samuel Roberts: But I wasn’t able to see if it… I didn’t see anything that was letting you control Figma or, like, generate Figma outputs.

68 00:06:01.790 ⇒ 00:06:05.149 Samuel Roberts: But again, yeah, yeah, things are moving quickly, so it’s been a minute.

69 00:06:05.570 ⇒ 00:06:06.200 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

70 00:06:07.240 ⇒ 00:06:10.659 Samuel Roberts: Retrieve, generate code from… yeah.

71 00:06:11.050 ⇒ 00:06:12.140 Samuel Roberts: Extract…

72 00:06:14.730 ⇒ 00:06:18.940 Mustafa Raja: It’s just more like retrieve… retrieving things.

73 00:06:22.700 ⇒ 00:06:23.450 Mustafa Raja: Okay.

74 00:06:34.230 ⇒ 00:06:37.109 Samuel Roberts: Okay. Yeah, so it doesn’t look like it goes the other way yet.

75 00:06:38.040 ⇒ 00:06:39.480 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it looks like it.

76 00:06:44.950 ⇒ 00:06:51.480 Samuel Roberts: Okay, well, we could just…

77 00:06:51.850 ⇒ 00:06:56.299 Samuel Roberts: figure out some other way to do some kind of design suggestions, I suppose.

78 00:06:57.160 ⇒ 00:07:02.100 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, if it doesn’t end up writing back, then I don’t care much, you know.

79 00:07:02.100 ⇒ 00:07:02.870 Samuel Roberts: Okay.

80 00:07:05.940 ⇒ 00:07:11.089 Uttam Kumaran: Generate code, keep your design components retrieved, make resources, yeah, it’s all retrieval.

81 00:07:11.240 ⇒ 00:07:11.750 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

82 00:07:11.750 ⇒ 00:07:17.050 Uttam Kumaran: I would say, yeah, yeah, otherwise, I just give a couple suggestions, but I think it’s, like.

83 00:07:17.270 ⇒ 00:07:23.179 Uttam Kumaran: basically, like, good to start testing. Like, I think the assignment thing is good. I would just say, like.

84 00:07:23.770 ⇒ 00:07:27.830 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, I’m not a big fan of, like, tile design, like, in general.

85 00:07:27.830 ⇒ 00:07:28.560 Mustafa Raja: Oh.

86 00:07:28.560 ⇒ 00:07:31.529 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like it’s… It’s sort of like…

87 00:07:31.970 ⇒ 00:07:38.959 Uttam Kumaran: An easy thing, but it’s kind of, like, not useful, because you can just get a lot more density with

88 00:07:39.300 ⇒ 00:07:40.770 Uttam Kumaran: Rose.

89 00:07:40.910 ⇒ 00:07:41.620 Uttam Kumaran: And…

90 00:07:41.620 ⇒ 00:07:42.300 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

91 00:07:42.300 ⇒ 00:07:50.310 Uttam Kumaran: have each of these as, like, columns, and so… Yeah. In… if you’re gonna list something, I think that… I think just default to rows.

92 00:07:50.340 ⇒ 00:07:50.920 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

93 00:07:50.920 ⇒ 00:07:52.040 Mustafa Raja: Again, that doesn’t.

94 00:07:52.040 ⇒ 00:07:59.250 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I will say we hadn’t spent a ton of time on this. I mean, we hadn’t discussed this UI a ton yet. This was kind of just the placeholder that the stuff it needed.

95 00:07:59.250 ⇒ 00:08:06.469 Uttam Kumaran: No, I just think it’s also common, like, people are like, oh, should we add row or, like, the column switcher? I’m like, nobody uses… or the tile, nobody uses.

96 00:08:06.470 ⇒ 00:08:07.420 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

97 00:08:07.640 ⇒ 00:08:08.400 Uttam Kumaran: Like…

98 00:08:08.400 ⇒ 00:08:09.930 Samuel Roberts: No, no, I agree, I agree, I’m just saying, like.

99 00:08:09.930 ⇒ 00:08:11.610 Uttam Kumaran: It just looks kind of better, but…

100 00:08:11.720 ⇒ 00:08:12.530 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, true.

101 00:08:12.530 ⇒ 00:08:16.580 Uttam Kumaran: region density point, it’s like… Yeah, not that great.

102 00:08:16.580 ⇒ 00:08:17.270 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

103 00:08:20.580 ⇒ 00:08:20.970 Samuel Roberts: Cool.

104 00:08:20.970 ⇒ 00:08:26.749 Mustafa Raja: Also, one more thing, I separated the, interview thing with the, with this, so…

105 00:08:27.250 ⇒ 00:08:33.590 Mustafa Raja: This is what we discussed yesterday. So this, if we click into this,

106 00:08:35.820 ⇒ 00:08:38.360 Mustafa Raja: This is going to be more… more the…

107 00:08:38.360 ⇒ 00:08:39.159 Samuel Roberts: Cool, okay.

108 00:08:39.370 ⇒ 00:08:42.080 Mustafa Raja: What’s been happening, or what’s the progress?

109 00:08:42.440 ⇒ 00:08:44.950 Mustafa Raja: And then if…

110 00:08:45.850 ⇒ 00:08:50.589 Mustafa Raja: If we click into the open interview, it’s just going to take us to the interview.

111 00:08:53.870 ⇒ 00:08:54.810 Samuel Roberts: Cool, okay.

112 00:08:54.810 ⇒ 00:08:55.370 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

113 00:08:55.500 ⇒ 00:08:56.500 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah.

114 00:08:57.020 ⇒ 00:09:04.140 Gabriel Lam: I have a question on, like, you know, say there’s an edge case where, I don’t know, like, your computer cuts out halfway through the interview.

115 00:09:04.330 ⇒ 00:09:10.349 Gabriel Lam: what happens then? Does it, like, restart the interview? Is there a way to… Pause it, or… let’s say.

116 00:09:10.350 ⇒ 00:09:10.970 Mustafa Raja: You’re like…

117 00:09:10.970 ⇒ 00:09:15.239 Gabriel Lam: halfway through, you’re like, this is a pretty terrible interview, like, can I stop it and redo it?

118 00:09:15.640 ⇒ 00:09:21.849 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, you can do that. You have the ability to stop the interview midway.

119 00:09:24.670 ⇒ 00:09:29.120 Mustafa Raja: So I’m trying to stop this, and… Unknown.

120 00:09:35.020 ⇒ 00:09:35.849 Gabriel Lam: Oh, okay, got it.

121 00:09:35.850 ⇒ 00:09:39.109 Mustafa Raja: So we don’t have, let me open this up in…

122 00:09:40.000 ⇒ 00:09:44.139 Samuel Roberts: Oh, because it’s the… yeah, we gotta add that API key to Heroku now, but yeah.

123 00:10:05.740 ⇒ 00:10:07.050 Samuel Roberts: Cool. Okay.

124 00:10:08.210 ⇒ 00:10:14.510 Mustafa Raja: And then… this interview… And then if I start this interview…

125 00:10:15.780 ⇒ 00:10:25.139 Mustafa Raja: Hello and welcome. I’ll be conducting a structured interview with you today about the Omni Analytics Dashboard project.

126 00:10:25.140 ⇒ 00:10:25.690 Gabriel Lam: Yep.

127 00:10:25.690 ⇒ 00:10:26.909 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it just starts.

128 00:10:27.030 ⇒ 00:10:31.410 Mustafa Raja: Okay. I can also… Restart…

129 00:10:32.690 ⇒ 00:10:42.930 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, if we accidentally start it, it only saves it in the Superbase if we submit this interview. If we don’t submit this, it isn’t going to go through.

130 00:10:43.350 ⇒ 00:10:44.969 Samuel Roberts: So it just stays in the browser, then?

131 00:10:44.970 ⇒ 00:10:45.750 Mustafa Raja: Yes.

132 00:10:45.750 ⇒ 00:10:48.180 Uttam Kumaran: And this takes in from your mic?

133 00:10:48.460 ⇒ 00:10:49.270 Mustafa Raja: Yes.

134 00:10:52.380 ⇒ 00:10:57.230 Uttam Kumaran: I guess another thing that could be helpful is…

135 00:10:57.650 ⇒ 00:11:00.129 Uttam Kumaran: Like, so there’s no text input.

136 00:11:00.840 ⇒ 00:11:01.950 Uttam Kumaran: At all, right now.

137 00:11:01.950 ⇒ 00:11:03.379 Mustafa Raja: Well, now it is…

138 00:11:03.380 ⇒ 00:11:04.750 Samuel Roberts: No, not for the interview.

139 00:11:07.890 ⇒ 00:11:15.960 Uttam Kumaran: And then what is the… so the plan is, like, after the fact, if you want to link other documents, you can do that, or did we end up arriving at something for that?

140 00:11:16.390 ⇒ 00:11:22.820 Mustafa Raja: We talked about that, yeah. But it goes into… And implementation, yeah, for this.

141 00:11:22.820 ⇒ 00:11:29.940 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think the idea would be that those would get stored on the case study object, just the way the interview is, and then that could all get passed into

142 00:11:30.370 ⇒ 00:11:45.060 Samuel Roberts: the next agent, theoretically. So you could have the meeting… like, you could reference a certain meeting, or a group of meetings, or documentation, or something else that could also be part of the context for the agent eventually. But that would be separate from the interview, is sort of a thought.

143 00:11:45.060 ⇒ 00:11:51.379 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I would suggest that as, like, a step two to the interview process. You should… you should ask the,

144 00:11:52.420 ⇒ 00:12:10.080 Uttam Kumaran: user to, like, link relevant meetings, or submit relevant doc links. Yeah. Even if it’s, like, sort of phantom for now, and, like, you have to do something manual, the engineer is the one with the core understanding of, like, oh, yeah, in the meeting, there’s, like.

145 00:12:10.290 ⇒ 00:12:15.629 Uttam Kumaran: we talked about this is where I presented that, or, like, here’s the project doc, and so I think that could be nice.

146 00:12:15.730 ⇒ 00:12:20.030 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. And one of the big things in our company is,

147 00:12:20.520 ⇒ 00:12:26.479 Uttam Kumaran: we don’t have, like, a graph-based structure for, documents, so…

148 00:12:26.580 ⇒ 00:12:31.850 Uttam Kumaran: We’re, like, we have some sort of relation based on folders, but…

149 00:12:32.040 ⇒ 00:12:47.769 Uttam Kumaran: it would be start… this would be a nice way to start to link, like, docs to, like, outcomes, and eventually we’re gonna have… I mean, again, we have a mix of objects here, right? We have meetings, docs, we have all these other objects, so we want to kind of start creating, like, those relationships.

150 00:12:48.040 ⇒ 00:12:50.949 Uttam Kumaran: You know, it’ll come in handy later.

151 00:12:51.540 ⇒ 00:12:53.970 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so things are tied to the case studies, type of the outcomes.

152 00:12:53.970 ⇒ 00:12:57.349 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but I think the problem is gonna be is, like.

153 00:12:58.420 ⇒ 00:13:00.839 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if… if… yeah.

154 00:13:01.990 ⇒ 00:13:09.859 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s worth thinking about how to do it. I mean, maybe it is, like, hey, send in, like, whatever related Notion or Google Drive, and then…

155 00:13:10.320 ⇒ 00:13:11.240 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

156 00:13:13.790 ⇒ 00:13:14.340 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know.

157 00:13:14.340 ⇒ 00:13:24.859 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that was the… that was the thought for now, was just more context, but if we’re trying to think about linking things, that’s another… yeah. Like, we would definitely kind of keep the… as part of the case study object.

158 00:13:24.980 ⇒ 00:13:30.570 Samuel Roberts: Have a section of just, like, links to important things that could be retrieved at any point.

159 00:13:30.690 ⇒ 00:13:34.629 Samuel Roberts: For more context, but…

160 00:13:35.310 ⇒ 00:13:44.599 Samuel Roberts: I suppose if we have those links, we could build some sort of eventual, like, graph that goes back to the case studies, to the outputs, to the… because these case studies would be tied to clients as well.

161 00:13:45.040 ⇒ 00:13:48.400 Samuel Roberts: So there’s definitely more interconnection there.

162 00:13:49.340 ⇒ 00:13:53.769 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know what that looks like going forward, but I think at least for now, having some of those… being able to add

163 00:13:54.250 ⇒ 00:13:58.569 Samuel Roberts: some… Links to things, whether that’s… you know.

164 00:13:59.020 ⇒ 00:14:05.690 Samuel Roberts: documentation, or blog posts we used, or, meetings, or Notion docs.

165 00:14:06.030 ⇒ 00:14:08.010 Samuel Roberts: Would all be, kind of, worth…

166 00:14:08.140 ⇒ 00:14:15.640 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think you’re right, even just adding here so that there’s something, and then if we want to start pulling those into the context, we can start doing that, but even just adding the links would be good.

167 00:14:16.800 ⇒ 00:14:17.490 Samuel Roberts: Craft.

168 00:14:18.350 ⇒ 00:14:19.000 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

169 00:14:19.930 ⇒ 00:14:24.710 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, and that could be maybe part of this interview page, where it’s, like, upload things, but I don’t think.

170 00:14:24.710 ⇒ 00:14:25.290 Mustafa Raja: and…

171 00:14:25.750 ⇒ 00:14:29.319 Samuel Roberts: I don’t wanna necessarily tie those into the interview yet. I think it’s just…

172 00:14:30.470 ⇒ 00:14:32.399 Samuel Roberts: I mean, we could, I suppose, but…

173 00:14:34.930 ⇒ 00:14:39.989 Samuel Roberts: I think for now, it’ll just be stored on the… yeah, at least if we just store them on the case study, we can do whatever with it later.

174 00:14:40.180 ⇒ 00:14:40.820 Mustafa Raja: Hmm.

175 00:14:43.270 ⇒ 00:14:43.900 Samuel Roberts: Okay.

176 00:14:44.390 ⇒ 00:14:47.000 Samuel Roberts: And then tiles… yeah, okay.

177 00:14:48.580 ⇒ 00:14:50.560 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, this is good.

178 00:14:50.930 ⇒ 00:15:00.119 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think, I think that, yeah, so if that’s… if that’s where we’re at, I think we gotta, yeah, take some of this feedback and iterate on the prompt a little bit.

179 00:15:00.120 ⇒ 00:15:02.210 Mustafa Raja: And then just more testing, you know?

180 00:15:02.350 ⇒ 00:15:03.380 Mustafa Raja: Mmm.

181 00:15:05.390 ⇒ 00:15:09.140 Gabriel Lam: Yeah, I’m thinking it might even be worth having, like, a little, like.

182 00:15:09.520 ⇒ 00:15:16.300 Gabriel Lam: how to talk to the interviewer, kind of, like, assist… not an assistant, just, you know, like a…

183 00:15:16.430 ⇒ 00:15:18.140 Gabriel Lam: Little thing on the side used to be like…

184 00:15:18.140 ⇒ 00:15:19.090 Samuel Roberts: Mmm.

185 00:15:19.470 ⇒ 00:15:20.000 Samuel Roberts: Later on.

186 00:15:20.000 ⇒ 00:15:22.300 Gabriel Lam: Try to structure answers in this way, or…

187 00:15:22.300 ⇒ 00:15:22.850 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

188 00:15:22.900 ⇒ 00:15:30.459 Gabriel Lam: I don’t know, I think this will also require testing to see How our interview actually changes.

189 00:15:30.810 ⇒ 00:15:34.940 Gabriel Lam: the transcript and the outcome as a result.

190 00:15:35.220 ⇒ 00:15:36.339 Gabriel Lam: I’m not sure yet.

191 00:15:36.740 ⇒ 00:15:46.469 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, because, I mean, there’s definitely something about a human doing it where they know where to dive in, or the human doesn’t understand something, so they can ask more clarifying questions, but…

192 00:15:46.900 ⇒ 00:15:53.310 Samuel Roberts: We need the AI to replicate that as close as possible, I think, to get the most into this transcript.

193 00:15:53.310 ⇒ 00:15:54.020 Gabriel Lam: Yeah.

194 00:15:56.440 ⇒ 00:16:01.640 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, okay. I think that that’s… there’s… there’s plenty we can do there today in terms of, like, refining that prompt.

195 00:16:01.890 ⇒ 00:16:05.570 Samuel Roberts: As part of testing, and then…

196 00:16:06.810 ⇒ 00:16:11.039 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, you said the other two agents are set up?

197 00:16:11.860 ⇒ 00:16:14.320 Mustafa Raja: Yes,

198 00:16:24.030 ⇒ 00:16:40.329 Mustafa Raja: So, if we click this button, what it does is it calls, the case study architect first, then the, then takes the output 4K Study Architect and puts it in marketing and design agent. And these buttons are to individually call any of those.

199 00:16:40.720 ⇒ 00:16:44.580 Samuel Roberts: Got it. Okay, so you can recall it if you change something. Perfect.

200 00:16:44.580 ⇒ 00:16:45.390 Mustafa Raja: Standard-based.

201 00:16:45.720 ⇒ 00:16:55.469 Mustafa Raja: let’s say we added this one, the architect output, then you would also want to recall this one, so we can individually… Okay.

202 00:16:55.980 ⇒ 00:17:05.500 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, I think there’s probably a couple little things we can do here. I don’t know how… so what is it showing when it does that? Is it just going and… is it streaming anything back in terms of updates or anything like that?

203 00:17:06.020 ⇒ 00:17:07.829 Mustafa Raja: Like, when we click this button, what…

204 00:17:07.839 ⇒ 00:17:10.329 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, does it tell you which one it’s running, or anything like that?

205 00:17:10.329 ⇒ 00:17:19.529 Mustafa Raja: No, no, no, for now it doesn’t, it just… we just see it loading up, and then once it’s done, we can see the output here.

206 00:17:19.859 ⇒ 00:17:22.869 Samuel Roberts: Okay, output of each one at the same time, or does it do one at a time?

207 00:17:22.869 ⇒ 00:17:25.239 Mustafa Raja: Yes. No, no, each one at the same time.

208 00:17:25.240 ⇒ 00:17:28.100 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, so there’s probably something we can do to make that a little…

209 00:17:28.260 ⇒ 00:17:37.699 Samuel Roberts: Because, like, I don’t… I hate it when people just sit waiting for a spinning thing. There’s nothing coming back… yet. And this could take a minute, so even… even doing this automatically… oh, that wasn’t too bad. Okay, that was better than

210 00:17:40.750 ⇒ 00:17:48.449 Samuel Roberts: I didn’t know how long it would take for both, but okay. The other thing is that if there’s gonna be editing of this, we should make sure to mark

211 00:17:48.810 ⇒ 00:17:55.849 Samuel Roberts: When the next output is kind of… is stale, basically.

212 00:17:56.990 ⇒ 00:18:03.730 Samuel Roberts: So, like, I guess it only applies to this one step, because it’s not a huge multi-step process, but, like, if you were to change the architect agent

213 00:18:06.140 ⇒ 00:18:11.039 Samuel Roberts: We want a way to know that the marketing design output has not been regenerated yet, just in case.

214 00:18:11.860 ⇒ 00:18:15.689 Mustafa Raja: So if we edit this one, we would want to mark it as…

215 00:18:15.690 ⇒ 00:18:20.179 Samuel Roberts: I just want to, yeah, say, like, you know, or, like, maybe the last time it was generated and the last time it was edited.

216 00:18:20.180 ⇒ 00:18:21.709 Mustafa Raja: Does that make sense?

217 00:18:21.710 ⇒ 00:18:27.820 Samuel Roberts: That way… yeah, I just want to make sure that someone doesn’t forget to rerun something, or, you know, I want… I want to…

218 00:18:28.260 ⇒ 00:18:37.609 Samuel Roberts: err on the side of, like, too much information and then pare it down, rather than just, like, someone forgetting to run something and having stale output. But that shouldn’t be too crazy.

219 00:18:37.610 ⇒ 00:18:38.120 Mustafa Raja: Easy enough.

220 00:18:38.610 ⇒ 00:18:45.950 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, I think besides that, this is making sense. What does the… I mean, I guess I can step through this all later. I haven’t…

221 00:18:46.140 ⇒ 00:18:52.409 Samuel Roberts: I guess the creation page and stuff look like, but… And then, is there…

222 00:18:53.640 ⇒ 00:18:57.050 Samuel Roberts: Worth triggering that to generate automatically?

223 00:18:59.360 ⇒ 00:19:02.940 Mustafa Raja: By automatically, you mean.

224 00:19:02.940 ⇒ 00:19:04.510 Samuel Roberts: When a transcript is complete.

225 00:19:04.820 ⇒ 00:19:05.900 Mustafa Raja: Stimulate that body.

226 00:19:05.900 ⇒ 00:19:06.400 Samuel Roberts: one click.

227 00:19:06.400 ⇒ 00:19:07.080 Mustafa Raja: Hmm…

228 00:19:07.220 ⇒ 00:19:08.439 Samuel Roberts: So that when someone comes back to the.

229 00:19:08.440 ⇒ 00:19:14.409 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I was just wondering if you want to, so for this, you can see that I have.

230 00:19:14.410 ⇒ 00:19:15.590 Samuel Roberts: Oh, two interviews, yes.

231 00:19:15.590 ⇒ 00:19:18.360 Mustafa Raja: Yes, of course. There’s only one interview.

232 00:19:18.560 ⇒ 00:19:19.910 Samuel Roberts: Okay, no, that makes sense, that makes sense.

233 00:19:19.910 ⇒ 00:19:35.760 Mustafa Raja: So, I need to do something around statuses for that. Sure. Because, once… for now, how it is, working is when an interview is submitted, it just turns to interview submitted. I want to see if both of those interviews are there.

234 00:19:35.840 ⇒ 00:19:40.719 Mustafa Raja: And then if the status turns to interview submitted, we can, then via…

235 00:19:40.720 ⇒ 00:19:41.380 Samuel Roberts: Totally.

236 00:19:41.380 ⇒ 00:19:45.819 Mustafa Raja: I guess… Server-based webhook, we can trigger these…

237 00:19:46.220 ⇒ 00:19:48.890 Mustafa Raja: Perfect, okay. The code will be automatically, yeah.

238 00:19:49.210 ⇒ 00:19:55.439 Samuel Roberts: what is the… Utah, maybe you can answer this, like, the multiple interview, because right now, we kind of just do one interview per case study, right?

239 00:19:56.980 ⇒ 00:19:57.690 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

240 00:19:57.690 ⇒ 00:20:01.739 Uttam Kumaran: I guess, where… did I mention that in a requirement, or what was that?

241 00:20:03.770 ⇒ 00:20:12.069 Samuel Roberts: I think there was something somewhere about that, I feel like I… yeah, but I don’t remember the idea of multiple, I just don’t know if it was, like, a huge priority or not, or if it was just something that would be enabled by this or not.

242 00:20:12.070 ⇒ 00:20:14.410 Uttam Kumaran: To have multiple people interviewed?

243 00:20:15.180 ⇒ 00:20:16.210 Uttam Kumaran: Case study?

244 00:20:17.440 ⇒ 00:20:18.000 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

245 00:20:19.000 ⇒ 00:20:21.430 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. Not, not by Krya.

246 00:20:21.720 ⇒ 00:20:26.560 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, I wouldn’t… that’s kind of what I was thinking. I think the ability is there, so if for some reason we want to…

247 00:20:26.680 ⇒ 00:20:30.160 Samuel Roberts: do that, but I would just worry about one at a time for now.

248 00:20:30.160 ⇒ 00:20:31.250 Mustafa Raja: Okay, yeah.

249 00:20:31.510 ⇒ 00:20:40.840 Mustafa Raja: So I guess then I leave the status as is, and whenever it turns submitted, I just trigger these, right?

250 00:20:42.300 ⇒ 00:20:42.890 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

251 00:20:42.890 ⇒ 00:20:43.650 Samuel Roberts: I think so.

252 00:20:44.030 ⇒ 00:20:44.860 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, okay.

253 00:20:44.860 ⇒ 00:20:48.819 Samuel Roberts: And then, yeah, so if you go back to the previous page.

254 00:20:49.840 ⇒ 00:20:54.150 Samuel Roberts: It shouldn’t be, like, there’s not too much time difference, but if there’s, like, a…

255 00:20:54.260 ⇒ 00:20:59.899 Samuel Roberts: Interview submitted, output generated or something, you know, something to show that both steps have been done.

256 00:21:00.290 ⇒ 00:21:03.309 Mustafa Raja: There’s not a ton of lag time there, but if you imagine…

257 00:21:05.340 ⇒ 00:21:08.630 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so we want to update the status, right?

258 00:21:09.020 ⇒ 00:21:15.220 Samuel Roberts: Is what you’re saying? Yeah, I think, I think once these other ones get updated, that, you know, the final output is what’s important.

259 00:21:15.220 ⇒ 00:21:15.880 Gabriel Lam: Or it’s, like.

260 00:21:15.880 ⇒ 00:21:20.510 Samuel Roberts: copy available, or output available. Exactly, exactly.

261 00:21:20.620 ⇒ 00:21:27.209 Samuel Roberts: Like, there’s definitely a stage where interviews submitted, and if we weren’t automating that next step, it would be even more important to have that.

262 00:21:27.370 ⇒ 00:21:31.689 Samuel Roberts: But it didn’t take very long, and unless we’re doing so many that we have to start queuing them up.

263 00:21:31.840 ⇒ 00:21:35.630 Samuel Roberts: I don’t think it’s gonna be… Much lag time there.

264 00:21:37.600 ⇒ 00:21:38.260 Gabriel Lam: No.

265 00:21:38.590 ⇒ 00:21:42.680 Samuel Roberts: So yeah, it’d be like a waiting interview, interview submitted, copy generated kind of thing.

266 00:21:42.680 ⇒ 00:21:51.650 Mustafa Raja: Okay, yeah, yeah, I’ll, I’ll let the copy-generated one, and then I’ll also make sure once, once the copy is there, the status also completes.

267 00:21:51.650 ⇒ 00:21:52.400 Samuel Roberts: Perfect.

268 00:21:53.620 ⇒ 00:21:54.840 Samuel Roberts: Great.

269 00:21:54.840 ⇒ 00:21:57.689 Gabriel Lam: I have one question about… we’re gonna be doing a lot of testing.

270 00:21:57.690 ⇒ 00:21:59.770 Samuel Roberts: Is there a way to…

271 00:21:59.770 ⇒ 00:22:03.719 Gabriel Lam: Like, delete case studies instead of having a ton of, like, random test projects.

272 00:22:03.720 ⇒ 00:22:08.020 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

273 00:22:08.020 ⇒ 00:22:11.380 Gabriel Lam: You can filter them later, but I’m just saying, like…

274 00:22:12.390 ⇒ 00:22:17.379 Mustafa Raja: I’ll add a delete button over here.

275 00:22:17.380 ⇒ 00:22:21.229 Samuel Roberts: I, I’m wondering, as we’re saying that, though, if we want…

276 00:22:23.220 ⇒ 00:22:29.460 Samuel Roberts: well, it depends how automated we want to get with this testing, you know? Cause we’re gonna want…

277 00:22:29.910 ⇒ 00:22:33.459 Samuel Roberts: To track some of those outputs over time as we’re changing the prompt, too.

278 00:22:34.400 ⇒ 00:22:35.080 Gabriel Lam: Okay.

279 00:22:35.410 ⇒ 00:22:38.939 Gabriel Lam: Maybe leave it as a filter category for now, and then…

280 00:22:39.290 ⇒ 00:22:43.990 Gabriel Lam: Yeah, exactly. I think that might be better then. Okay.

281 00:22:43.990 ⇒ 00:22:44.670 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

282 00:22:45.010 ⇒ 00:22:50.400 Samuel Roberts: Just because, like, unless we’re gonna set up, like, a more automated system to, like, keep track of the outputs and everything, which I think is…

283 00:22:50.670 ⇒ 00:22:56.989 Samuel Roberts: Could be worth doing, but I think for now, for the initial, like, tiling it in, let’s just keep these, maybe with some notes or something.

284 00:22:57.300 ⇒ 00:22:59.320 Samuel Roberts: That aren’t fed in.

285 00:22:59.320 ⇒ 00:23:01.790 Gabriel Lam: I like the draft. I think that’s…

286 00:23:02.090 ⇒ 00:23:06.630 Mustafa Raja: I think, what we can do is add a… add a… what’s it called?

287 00:23:07.010 ⇒ 00:23:08.830 Mustafa Raja: Status foot test or something?

288 00:23:10.550 ⇒ 00:23:11.350 Mustafa Raja: You know.

289 00:23:11.780 ⇒ 00:23:12.700 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah.

290 00:23:12.700 ⇒ 00:23:17.989 Gabriel Lam: Yeah, I mean, eventually, I think we will need more categorization into, like, clients are…

291 00:23:17.990 ⇒ 00:23:18.680 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah.

292 00:23:18.680 ⇒ 00:23:20.499 Gabriel Lam: Industries, or whatever that might be.

293 00:23:20.500 ⇒ 00:23:35.110 Samuel Roberts: And there’s definitely stuff that can get related back to the marketing assets page. Like, right now, those tags are all hard-coded, but I think we can pull those into, like, a separate table, and that way we can change them and call them here and use them more frequently in other places, but…

294 00:23:35.160 ⇒ 00:23:41.270 Samuel Roberts: I think that that’s, yeah, that’s not too heavy a lift, and probably not worth it right now. Even in the future, it makes more sense.

295 00:23:41.270 ⇒ 00:23:41.759 Gabriel Lam: Yes, sir.

296 00:23:41.810 ⇒ 00:23:49.889 Samuel Roberts: Cool. Alright, let’s see, next step. So we gotta… tweak the…

297 00:23:50.040 ⇒ 00:23:58.190 Samuel Roberts: prompt for the current feedback, and do another… another test, at least one with that. I’m wondering…

298 00:23:59.070 ⇒ 00:24:08.230 Samuel Roberts: Is there one we can do that, like, Casey, maybe you run the inter… you do the interview, since you have not been involved in this as much now, so we can have, like, a…

299 00:24:09.010 ⇒ 00:24:18.590 Samuel Roberts: I’m, you know, someone who would go through this process, but is not already been into it, and just see what the output looks like from that as well. And then,

300 00:24:19.220 ⇒ 00:24:25.349 Samuel Roberts: maybe after that, we can start doing the… I just want, like, some other input feedback from someone that’s going to be going through the process before we…

301 00:24:25.540 ⇒ 00:24:27.839 Samuel Roberts: Change too, too much, but,

302 00:24:28.630 ⇒ 00:24:35.779 Samuel Roberts: I would say make one of those, and then we can work on the prompt, and Mustafa, you can take that feedback from Hannah.

303 00:24:35.950 ⇒ 00:24:44.229 Samuel Roberts: And work with that. I can maybe work on moving this page from trials to a table.

304 00:24:45.740 ⇒ 00:24:48.359 Samuel Roberts: That shouldn’t be crazy.

305 00:24:48.770 ⇒ 00:24:50.160 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, that looks…

306 00:24:50.470 ⇒ 00:24:54.720 Samuel Roberts: And then, besides that, is there anything else that is not yet, like…

307 00:24:54.960 ⇒ 00:24:58.700 Samuel Roberts: In here that needs to get in here, besides just, like, testing and refinement?

308 00:24:59.960 ⇒ 00:25:05.710 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, you guys are kind of early on schedule, so I would say if you get it done, then I would start having

309 00:25:05.890 ⇒ 00:25:08.859 Uttam Kumaran: like, Hannah is doing some interviews this week.

310 00:25:08.860 ⇒ 00:25:13.730 Samuel Roberts: That’s what I’m thinking, yeah, I just want to get it to a point when we can actually use it and test it in, like, real-world scenarios.

311 00:25:14.810 ⇒ 00:25:23.959 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, other than that, the, linking the meetings and, other things, in the interview or something, that’s what’s remaining.

312 00:25:24.130 ⇒ 00:25:27.559 Samuel Roberts: Got it, yep, we did talk about that, good call. Okay, yeah.

313 00:25:27.990 ⇒ 00:25:30.609 Samuel Roberts: I would say add… add, like, a…

314 00:25:31.600 ⇒ 00:25:36.120 Samuel Roberts: Just a field, with an array of links, basically, for now, or,

315 00:25:36.530 ⇒ 00:25:43.610 Samuel Roberts: a JSON object, if we want to specify the types, but we should be able to pull that from the URL, so we’ll know if it’s Notion or…

316 00:25:44.040 ⇒ 00:25:44.650 Samuel Roberts: Meeting.

317 00:25:44.650 ⇒ 00:25:50.189 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so we would only be linking meetings, or is there going to be other things too?

318 00:25:52.790 ⇒ 00:25:54.419 Samuel Roberts: I… go ahead.

319 00:25:54.420 ⇒ 00:26:05.269 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, at this point, like, I would just like to allow people to link out to other documents, so I would just generally create a structure where people can submit URLs.

320 00:26:05.420 ⇒ 00:26:07.869 Uttam Kumaran: I wouldn’t worry too much about, like.

321 00:26:08.210 ⇒ 00:26:13.239 Uttam Kumaran: what it is, or ingesting anything, but again, this is where, like, for the market, for Hannah.

322 00:26:13.240 ⇒ 00:26:17.330 Samuel Roberts: she just needs to have everything, because she’ll throw her own TBI or whatever, but…

323 00:26:17.390 ⇒ 00:26:35.809 Uttam Kumaran: the tax comes with, like, there’s something mentioned in the call, like, oh yeah, then there was this great thing we produced, and Hannah has to go chase that. Yeah. So, I would just put in open fields. What’s gonna… what this could evolve to eventually is, like, hey, they’re doing a case study for this client.

324 00:26:35.920 ⇒ 00:26:39.170 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah, and like, let’s automatically pull in…

325 00:26:39.300 ⇒ 00:26:48.359 Uttam Kumaran: like, show the Google Drive for the client talk, show the description, you know, so it’ll get smarter over time, but for now, just allow people to hyperlink.

326 00:26:48.680 ⇒ 00:27:06.099 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, any kind of links, I think, would be fine. So that if it becomes a meeting link, we’ll know that later. If it’s a Notion link, we can know that. But I would just, like, store a big… that’s what I was saying, either just an array of URLs, or maybe some JSON if they want to add some description to it. I think probably just an array of URLs is fine for now.

327 00:27:07.640 ⇒ 00:27:08.290 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

328 00:27:09.640 ⇒ 00:27:15.799 Gabriel Lam: Any thoughts on the design piece, like the diagram piece, or is that pretty low priority at the moment?

329 00:27:16.840 ⇒ 00:27:19.500 Mustafa Raja: Figure doesn’t allow us to do that for now.

330 00:27:20.180 ⇒ 00:27:24.959 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I don’t care about it doing the design, necessarily. I mean, unless…

331 00:27:25.280 ⇒ 00:27:32.960 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I would ask if… I mean, this is where, like, if you end up with free time, then I would work on, like, sort of the WoW features.

332 00:27:32.960 ⇒ 00:27:33.710 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

333 00:27:33.860 ⇒ 00:27:38.139 Uttam Kumaran: Like, if there’s an opportunity, for example, you could have AI

334 00:27:38.420 ⇒ 00:27:42.540 Uttam Kumaran: Like, the case study document is, like, pretty standard, and.

335 00:27:42.540 ⇒ 00:27:43.110 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

336 00:27:43.110 ⇒ 00:27:58.970 Uttam Kumaran: of it that are pretty standard. So, one thing that you could get to is, like, have AI design… there’s, like, two or three slots for diagrams in the 1-2 page case study, right? And you could have AI suggest… either suggest via text, or even design it

337 00:27:59.600 ⇒ 00:28:17.620 Uttam Kumaran: itself? I don’t know. But again, like, I don’t think that’s, like, super crucial. I think what’s more crucial is just to give the marketing team, like, ideas on, like, what they could do. At this point, also, did you guys, like, oh, you guys did sort of break down each part of the case study, and so…

338 00:28:17.620 ⇒ 00:28:21.470 Uttam Kumaran: Is the prompt sort of mapping text to each like…

339 00:28:21.960 ⇒ 00:28:25.000 Uttam Kumaran: Key section in it, basically, like the copy.

340 00:28:25.880 ⇒ 00:28:27.660 Gabriel Lam: Yeah, it already does that. I think Hannah.

341 00:28:27.660 ⇒ 00:28:27.980 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

342 00:28:27.980 ⇒ 00:28:38.139 Gabriel Lam: is more to refine it into something that matches more one-to-one, but because it’s based on the original prompts on Notion, it is already split up.

343 00:28:38.290 ⇒ 00:28:38.900 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

344 00:28:50.800 ⇒ 00:28:57.780 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think… You… or actually, I can pull it up, but her feedback is…

345 00:28:58.780 ⇒ 00:29:00.200 Samuel Roberts: There, thank you, okay.

346 00:29:01.400 ⇒ 00:29:05.910 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think…

347 00:29:06.140 ⇒ 00:29:13.279 Samuel Roberts: I think we can tweak it now, because like I said, this is… yeah, Laura, like you said, this is the, this is from Notion, which she was using, so I’m sure there’s work that goes in it.

348 00:29:14.180 ⇒ 00:29:17.680 Samuel Roberts: Oh, Okay.

349 00:29:18.110 ⇒ 00:29:22.689 Samuel Roberts: We can even get together if you want to talk through this stuff and stuff while you’re making the prompt changes.

350 00:29:24.200 ⇒ 00:29:28.540 Samuel Roberts: Okay, okay.

351 00:29:31.290 ⇒ 00:29:39.989 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I mean, I think the potential diagram stuff is interesting, or the ideas at least, but I also want to focus on nailing this, kind of, like.

352 00:29:40.850 ⇒ 00:29:50.220 Samuel Roberts: in the next day or two, because if we get to Friday and there’s still some time to play with stuff, I think that’s good, but the bottleneck is still handed doing the interviews, right? So if we can get that…

353 00:29:51.660 ⇒ 00:29:54.629 Samuel Roberts: Get that nailed, where that’s something off her plate.

354 00:29:54.800 ⇒ 00:29:59.469 Samuel Roberts: We can then automate further things for her later, or further things for the case studies later.

355 00:30:00.710 ⇒ 00:30:03.540 Samuel Roberts: Okay. Okay,

356 00:30:07.100 ⇒ 00:30:12.330 Samuel Roberts: So, I’m gonna work on the… moving the tiles to the table,

357 00:30:13.040 ⇒ 00:30:16.240 Samuel Roberts: Mustafa, why don’t you add the URLs for…

358 00:30:16.240 ⇒ 00:30:16.969 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’ll do that.

359 00:30:16.970 ⇒ 00:30:20.820 Samuel Roberts: Assets, and then we can maybe get together and talk through the prompt stuff.

360 00:30:20.930 ⇒ 00:30:21.810 Samuel Roberts: Yes.

361 00:30:22.220 ⇒ 00:30:22.790 Mustafa Raja: You know.

362 00:30:22.790 ⇒ 00:30:33.380 Samuel Roberts: And then, yeah, Casey, if you could just do a case study and let us know, like, how it… you know, how it feels, because there’s definitely something a little… can be something uncanny about this. I want to make sure that.

363 00:30:33.520 ⇒ 00:30:34.310 Mustafa Raja: Yes.

364 00:30:34.310 ⇒ 00:30:46.919 Samuel Roberts: having… someone having gone through it is either comfortable doing it, one, enough that they’re talking about the right stuff, and then two, since you’ve gone through the process with Hannah, you’ll know what, like, a good interview might have been like, versus.

365 00:30:46.920 ⇒ 00:30:53.050 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, a couple things, like, I, I talk to AI, like, all day. Yeah.

366 00:30:53.360 ⇒ 00:30:58.450 Uttam Kumaran: So, the big things that I find ergonomically that’s, like, helpful is, one, like.

367 00:30:58.570 ⇒ 00:31:02.470 Uttam Kumaran: I wonder if the API allows you to interrupt?

368 00:31:02.640 ⇒ 00:31:09.610 Uttam Kumaran: Second thing is, people may often say, like, talk faster. Like, I often have the… because

369 00:31:09.770 ⇒ 00:31:14.150 Uttam Kumaran: if someone’s talking at 2X, I can still understand.

370 00:31:14.660 ⇒ 00:31:15.080 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

371 00:31:15.080 ⇒ 00:31:19.629 Uttam Kumaran: Alright, so I usually, when I talk to it, I’ll be like, can you talk at 2x speed?

372 00:31:19.880 ⇒ 00:31:22.080 Uttam Kumaran: because I’m being in the car or something.

373 00:31:22.260 ⇒ 00:31:23.089 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, interesting. I don’t think

374 00:31:23.200 ⇒ 00:31:28.939 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think the other nice-to-have things, like changing the voice and shit like that, I don’t care much about that.

375 00:31:28.940 ⇒ 00:31:31.570 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, we can worry about that later. If we need to.

376 00:31:31.780 ⇒ 00:31:33.140 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

377 00:31:33.140 ⇒ 00:31:45.539 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, the speed one, they have the option for that, and I believe we can also interrupt, whatever it’s saying, and we can start talking, and it stops, and it starts listening to us.

378 00:31:45.580 ⇒ 00:31:46.690 Samuel Roberts: Okay.

379 00:31:46.690 ⇒ 00:31:49.500 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so that… those parts, I, I think,

380 00:31:49.720 ⇒ 00:31:57.490 Mustafa Raja: Absolutely doable. I mean, the interrupt is there, we only need to add the option to be able to change the speed. For now, it’s 1X.

381 00:31:58.330 ⇒ 00:31:58.890 Samuel Roberts: Okay.

382 00:32:00.420 ⇒ 00:32:08.510 Mustafa Raja: Do you want to give this as an option to the interviewer, or we just make it a default value as 1.502X?

383 00:32:09.080 ⇒ 00:32:14.920 Uttam Kumaran: I would just give the option and default it to, like, 1.2.

384 00:32:14.920 ⇒ 00:32:15.840 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

385 00:32:16.030 ⇒ 00:32:20.629 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, leave it there, because, I mean, I’ll just… I’m gonna, like, just crank it.

386 00:32:20.630 ⇒ 00:32:23.470 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, people do different, you know, geeks of different things.

387 00:32:23.470 ⇒ 00:32:24.250 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

388 00:32:25.390 ⇒ 00:32:30.920 Samuel Roberts: Okay, good calls. Anything else?

389 00:32:33.290 ⇒ 00:32:37.329 Samuel Roberts: That we haven’t addressed yet, in terms of the plan.

390 00:32:42.610 ⇒ 00:32:48.759 Samuel Roberts: What about the… so the interviews can only happen by the person assigned to them, right?

391 00:32:48.970 ⇒ 00:32:50.590 Samuel Roberts: Or, assigned to take them.

392 00:32:53.570 ⇒ 00:32:59.089 Mustafa Raja: So this, this is… Okay. This is an interview where interviewees are… you…

393 00:32:59.090 ⇒ 00:33:01.280 Samuel Roberts: Cool, that’s what, yeah, okay, good, so that works.

394 00:33:01.790 ⇒ 00:33:02.330 Mustafa Raja: Amen.

395 00:33:02.660 ⇒ 00:33:08.460 Samuel Roberts: And then… What about,

396 00:33:09.010 ⇒ 00:33:16.150 Samuel Roberts: like, notifications when you’ve been assigned an interview. Do we want to worry about that this week? Or do we want to save that for, like, tomorrow or Friday, maybe?

397 00:33:16.460 ⇒ 00:33:17.409 Samuel Roberts: Oh, he’s about that.

398 00:33:17.410 ⇒ 00:33:17.850 Uttam Kumaran: warmth.

399 00:33:18.980 ⇒ 00:33:22.979 Samuel Roberts: Well, yeah, so right, so yesterday, I got Google synced down.

400 00:33:22.980 ⇒ 00:33:24.290 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, nice, okay.

401 00:33:24.290 ⇒ 00:33:35.360 Samuel Roberts: the platform, and I have it syncing Slack IDs as well now, because they were much missing. So the thought was that, like, we could have it, like, when someone gets assigned this, they get a Slack message and the link and stuff,

402 00:33:35.410 ⇒ 00:33:37.970 Samuel Roberts: Just to streamline that process more, rather than, like…

403 00:33:37.980 ⇒ 00:33:48.210 Samuel Roberts: someone building a case study and having to alert that person and share the link and everything, this could all just happen automatically once those are tied. So those should be good, and they should be updating, like, every night at midnight, so,

404 00:33:48.210 ⇒ 00:33:58.920 Samuel Roberts: Rico, I might add a button somewhere that, like, maybe you and Utam have access to, like, when someone gets added in Google. I didn’t have it automatically syncing with a webhook, because Google makes it a little hard to… annoying to do that.

405 00:33:58.920 ⇒ 00:34:06.550 Samuel Roberts: They don’t just have, like, let you trigger a webhook, you have to, like, feed it into the PubSub queue and process it and a whole bunch of other stuff, so… I might add a button.

406 00:34:06.730 ⇒ 00:34:11.090 Samuel Roberts: For you guys that, like, re-sync to Google or something.

407 00:34:11.090 ⇒ 00:34:11.630 Uttam Kumaran: bet.

408 00:34:11.639 ⇒ 00:34:15.769 Samuel Roberts: But right now, it happens every night at midnight, so if someone goes…

409 00:34:16.479 ⇒ 00:34:24.679 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, it’s syncing the org right now, the org path. That’s, you know, the… what was it? It’s, like, executives, clients, and…

410 00:34:25.299 ⇒ 00:34:35.309 Samuel Roberts: teams and stuff, so we can start using that. I don’t know, this is a whole other thing to talk about, that’s why I didn’t want to get into it too much, I just wanted to get it down, but, managing the roles and all the, like.

411 00:34:35.779 ⇒ 00:34:37.499 Samuel Roberts: Access and stuff at some point.

412 00:34:37.629 ⇒ 00:34:39.399 Samuel Roberts: We need to figure out…

413 00:34:39.400 ⇒ 00:34:46.089 Uttam Kumaran: Probably the big thing there is, like, we’re gonna… I still have to send this out, but I’m gonna send out, like, the, org structure.

414 00:34:46.090 ⇒ 00:34:46.670 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

415 00:34:46.679 ⇒ 00:34:51.839 Uttam Kumaran: Google roles, or you mean, like, our brain forged, like… Platform rules.

416 00:34:51.840 ⇒ 00:34:59.079 Samuel Roberts: Well, that’s kind of what I was wondering about, like, we could… where do you want to manage that stuff? Because, like, Google has some things we can do, like the org… organization…

417 00:34:59.280 ⇒ 00:35:08.600 Samuel Roberts: stuff, but roles are different in Google than here, so there might have to be something we manage on the platform more specifically, but some of that could be pulled from Google.

418 00:35:08.600 ⇒ 00:35:12.220 Uttam Kumaran: Well, there’s kind of… there’s two things, right? So, I would,

419 00:35:13.290 ⇒ 00:35:20.300 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, it’s worth thinking about, but we should handle this kind of like how we… we just do, like, role-based access, but you should have groups.

420 00:35:20.450 ⇒ 00:35:34.230 Uttam Kumaran: Right? So think about it as, like, you have client groups, and so client groups get access to the individual clients, people can come in and out of those client groups. I honestly am thinking that this should be in Google, because

421 00:35:34.290 ⇒ 00:35:46.290 Uttam Kumaran: there’s a host of other things that get triggered manually now, like, we go create a 1Pass vault, we create Google Drive folders, Slack channels…

422 00:35:46.490 ⇒ 00:35:49.360 Uttam Kumaran: So, I don’t know if this all gets, like.

423 00:35:50.010 ⇒ 00:35:52.700 Uttam Kumaran: centralized somehow, but I feel like…

424 00:35:52.890 ⇒ 00:35:56.709 Uttam Kumaran: I’d rather this happen in Google, and then…

425 00:35:56.910 ⇒ 00:35:57.510 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

426 00:35:57.510 ⇒ 00:36:04.809 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we just… you just inherit what’s there versus us maintaining. And then, in Google, you can flexibly create, like, other

427 00:36:06.330 ⇒ 00:36:19.629 Uttam Kumaran: I think you can create other rules and stuff, yeah. I think everything is tied to the… to the Gmail account versus us maintaining another thing here. I think the problem… your problem is gonna be, like, bridging that with the assets in here.

428 00:36:19.960 ⇒ 00:36:20.560 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

429 00:36:20.700 ⇒ 00:36:28.070 Samuel Roberts: No, I agree. That’s kind of what I was wondering. I just didn’t know if we had a way that was organized in Google yet, or if that’s something we need to work on as part of this, like…

430 00:36:28.190 ⇒ 00:36:32.590 Samuel Roberts: I know, I saw there were some groups, I didn’t know if roles were included in that, in terms of, like.

431 00:36:33.220 ⇒ 00:36:37.489 Uttam Kumaran: No, we haven’t thought about… I would say we haven’t really spent tons of time.

432 00:36:37.490 ⇒ 00:36:43.440 Samuel Roberts: That’s… that’s all I was wondering, because I… I think… I think you’re absolutely right. The source of truth for this should be Google, if that’s the place to manage it.

433 00:36:43.550 ⇒ 00:36:52.140 Samuel Roberts: I just want to make sure that, like, whatever we’re doing there maps down to, like, the right kind of roles and access here. So maybe… maybe we have a conversation about that in the next…

434 00:36:52.450 ⇒ 00:36:59.120 Samuel Roberts: couple weeks now that I got it synced, so it’s at least pulling the right org. It’s pulling, org path units, I think?

435 00:36:59.260 ⇒ 00:37:02.190 Samuel Roberts: Which I think was something that was set.

436 00:37:02.320 ⇒ 00:37:18.890 Samuel Roberts: But I don’t know how… you know, I want to get together, make sure that, like, I understand how Google is organized well enough to, like, map that to things in the Forge. But at least it’s syncing now, and it’s tied to the user signing in as well by email. Because if you think about it, Superbase does the auth.

437 00:37:19.210 ⇒ 00:37:29.810 Samuel Roberts: And we had a team table that has, like, the Slack IDs and, you know, a few other things we can start storing on there. But those weren’t linked together yet, now they’re linked together as well.

438 00:37:30.080 ⇒ 00:37:31.170 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

439 00:37:31.690 ⇒ 00:37:34.549 Samuel Roberts: So, like… We now can know…

440 00:37:34.660 ⇒ 00:37:50.109 Samuel Roberts: that an auth user has a certain Slack ID, and they are active on Google, or, you know, they have access to whatever client team or whatever, we can start adding that stuff. But, at least for now, we can start triggering things, maybe into Slack messages from the platform and things like that.

441 00:37:50.330 ⇒ 00:37:51.419 Uttam Kumaran: Back and Forge.

442 00:37:53.350 ⇒ 00:38:02.080 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I didn’t want to go too deep into the Google, but I figured if this was the time to add it, if we’re going to start syncing things, to interviews… interviewees and assigning people and stuff, so…

443 00:38:03.670 ⇒ 00:38:04.200 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

444 00:38:04.440 ⇒ 00:38:08.480 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think that’s all I’ve really got then.

445 00:38:10.340 ⇒ 00:38:14.459 Samuel Roberts: Does anyone have anything else to talk about besides this, I guess?

446 00:38:19.110 ⇒ 00:38:26.340 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, for me, for, for default, I did follow up, with Victor.

447 00:38:26.660 ⇒ 00:38:28.010 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, send Caitlin.

448 00:38:28.010 ⇒ 00:38:28.649 Mustafa Raja: What’s introduced.

449 00:38:28.650 ⇒ 00:38:29.429 Uttam Kumaran: So I’ll just keep…

450 00:38:29.430 ⇒ 00:38:29.860 Mustafa Raja: From the…

451 00:38:29.860 ⇒ 00:38:31.080 Uttam Kumaran: Don’t keep sending a note.

452 00:38:32.600 ⇒ 00:38:34.429 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll just keep messaging them.

453 00:38:38.590 ⇒ 00:38:39.140 Samuel Roberts: Okay.

454 00:38:41.310 ⇒ 00:38:41.830 Samuel Roberts: Hmm.

455 00:38:41.830 ⇒ 00:38:43.499 Uttam Kumaran: I’ve got on ABC stuff?

456 00:38:46.660 ⇒ 00:38:59.810 Casie Aviles: Yeah, for ABC… I believe there’s just a… Daily message… I sent over… Some…

457 00:39:00.160 ⇒ 00:39:04.480 Casie Aviles: messages to be sent for the week. I’m gonna follow up with Amber.

458 00:39:05.060 ⇒ 00:39:12.289 Casie Aviles: If these are good… To send, because I believe you guys already sent one for Monday.

459 00:39:14.330 ⇒ 00:39:15.380 Casie Aviles: So, yeah.

460 00:39:15.600 ⇒ 00:39:16.160 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

461 00:39:20.130 ⇒ 00:39:20.609 Samuel Roberts: Excuse me.

462 00:39:21.800 ⇒ 00:39:28.449 Uttam Kumaran: And then, yeah, I got your stuff for insomnia, and then, yeah, I think,

463 00:39:28.980 ⇒ 00:39:35.370 Uttam Kumaran: This week, probably… I’ll get a little bit of a sense of, like, other clients.

464 00:39:35.530 ⇒ 00:39:38.360 Uttam Kumaran: Like, we have 2 other clients that are kicking off.

465 00:39:38.490 ⇒ 00:39:42.490 Uttam Kumaran: Some more work, and then we also have…

466 00:39:43.740 ⇒ 00:39:54.050 Uttam Kumaran: We also have some planning that we’re doing today that’ll indicate, like, the next two weeks of work, so I think we should have a few other clients for you guys, Casey and Mustafa, after this week.

467 00:39:54.610 ⇒ 00:39:56.250 Uttam Kumaran: But, like…

468 00:39:56.250 ⇒ 00:39:57.200 Mustafa Raja: 3 minutes.

469 00:39:57.200 ⇒ 00:40:01.789 Uttam Kumaran: But I think, like, regardless, I think one thing that’s helpful is for us to just see…

470 00:40:02.000 ⇒ 00:40:10.289 Uttam Kumaran: like, get a sense of the capacity needed. I think, Gabe, one thing that could be helpful is now that you’re seeing the pace and the scope.

471 00:40:10.500 ⇒ 00:40:11.390 Uttam Kumaran: like…

472 00:40:11.560 ⇒ 00:40:18.930 Uttam Kumaran: For me, seeing the pace and seeing just, like, how getting organized was helpful indicates that we could probably

473 00:40:19.120 ⇒ 00:40:32.010 Uttam Kumaran: take on more, like, if we have capacity. And so, for me, that is a mix of understanding, like, what features are taking the longest, because I have some simple quality of life stuff that

474 00:40:32.250 ⇒ 00:40:39.130 Uttam Kumaran: I think would be all front-end. There’s other stuff that is, like, more Slack automation, so I think it would be helpful

475 00:40:39.320 ⇒ 00:40:44.449 Uttam Kumaran: to just understand, like, what is the capacity, and then I think if me and you can talk.

476 00:40:44.670 ⇒ 00:40:51.629 Uttam Kumaran: later today or tomorrow, I can give you a rundown of, like, the next 2 or 3 for PR&D ideas, and you can let me know what you think.

477 00:40:53.130 ⇒ 00:40:55.389 Gabriel Lam: Yeah, I’m with you on that.

478 00:40:56.240 ⇒ 00:40:57.520 Gabriel Lam: I think it…

479 00:41:00.650 ⇒ 00:41:03.849 Gabriel Lam: I… Yeah, I think, I think it’s good.

480 00:41:03.850 ⇒ 00:41:04.180 Uttam Kumaran: They do it.

481 00:41:04.180 ⇒ 00:41:10.259 Gabriel Lam: My only feedback was, it might be different every week, right, for different.

482 00:41:10.260 ⇒ 00:41:10.750 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

483 00:41:10.750 ⇒ 00:41:17.219 Gabriel Lam: features. I think this one we were able to get out pretty quickly compared to, like, last week’s, which might have been… had a little more complexity in some ways.

484 00:41:17.560 ⇒ 00:41:24.879 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think I’ve just been sort of anchoring on, like, one thing a week, when I actually have some stuff that is a lot simpler than both.

485 00:41:24.880 ⇒ 00:41:25.310 Samuel Roberts: Yep.

486 00:41:25.310 ⇒ 00:41:26.310 Uttam Kumaran: Items.

487 00:41:26.740 ⇒ 00:41:29.089 Uttam Kumaran: So, I think it’s gonna be more on, like.

488 00:41:29.310 ⇒ 00:41:39.939 Uttam Kumaran: the organizational capacity… Yeah, yeah. I’m more of the linchpin here. So that’s, like, kind of, like, what I’m like, okay, can we balance a larger one and a smaller one?

489 00:41:40.590 ⇒ 00:41:59.139 Uttam Kumaran: Because you’re gonna… you’re gonna see… you guys are gonna see how impactful some of these things are, like, it’s just, like, so important that we’ve been… to get these out, and so I’m starting to just think about, okay, as… because we’re also making active hires on the operational side, which operations side is pure OpEx.

490 00:41:59.390 ⇒ 00:42:09.270 Uttam Kumaran: And so, when I think about, like, our work here is… it’s really a… a hiring versus build-it-yourself decision.

491 00:42:09.560 ⇒ 00:42:19.339 Uttam Kumaran: Because we’ve broken down most of the rules into, like, responsibilities. And so, if there is a lot of… if there are activities that are a lot of information back and forth.

492 00:42:19.810 ⇒ 00:42:30.669 Uttam Kumaran: I would like to give this team a shot to do it, especially seeing our pace, versus hiring. The cost of hiring is always very high.

493 00:42:30.670 ⇒ 00:42:31.260 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

494 00:42:31.700 ⇒ 00:42:43.420 Uttam Kumaran: For a number of reasons, including the fact that every new person that gets added to our sort of, like, graph is another group that has to be gone through for stuff.

495 00:42:43.700 ⇒ 00:42:56.910 Uttam Kumaran: So, what happens in businesses is when you have a lot of people, naturally, just the fact that there are more people causes… and we are pretty good at trying to leap everybody in, like, it just causes tags.

496 00:42:57.060 ⇒ 00:43:16.450 Uttam Kumaran: And so, like, I… and I’ve told this to the team, Gabe, like, I have no interest in automating people that are already on the team. We have so much work to do, but more of my interest is, like, when we go after people, I want them to work on really human-critical tasks, and offload as much of these types of things as possible.

497 00:43:16.450 ⇒ 00:43:29.079 Uttam Kumaran: you know, this Hannah use case is a great use case where the technology exists to conduct interviews, so I would like to free her up to go do… she has a lot of more impactful things that are very… would, like, be very, very difficult to, like.

498 00:43:29.220 ⇒ 00:43:48.150 Uttam Kumaran: automate. And so that’s, like, sort of how I’m thinking about things. So, I have a couple things on the list that I can share, like, directly go into, like, some hires that we’re looking to make on the project coordination side and the sales side, and I’ll let you kind of, like, pick from the basket of, like.

499 00:43:48.300 ⇒ 00:43:54.100 Uttam Kumaran: what you think is possible, and I mean, honestly, we can start to think about, like, the larger roadmap, given we have

500 00:43:54.710 ⇒ 00:43:58.260 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, 5 weeks or 6 weeks, till the end of the year, so…

501 00:43:58.650 ⇒ 00:43:59.300 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.

502 00:43:59.850 ⇒ 00:44:01.829 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I like that, because I think we can definitely…

503 00:44:02.210 ⇒ 00:44:07.370 Samuel Roberts: fit smaller things in amongst us, like, bigger things, in some form, whether or not that’s, like.

504 00:44:07.630 ⇒ 00:44:22.730 Samuel Roberts: week to week, it might vary, but I think also having a few things ahead of time means they can be shaped a little bit, and then some of that work can happen that’s ready to hand off and ready to get built by Monday. And then we could probably do a few more. We could even cram a few more things in if we’re not

505 00:44:23.030 ⇒ 00:44:24.980 Samuel Roberts: Ideating at the beginning of the week and stuff.

506 00:44:24.980 ⇒ 00:44:25.960 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.

507 00:44:26.230 ⇒ 00:44:28.940 Samuel Roberts: I think that that definitely makes a good idea. So I would say, yeah, if you guys.

508 00:44:28.940 ⇒ 00:44:40.579 Uttam Kumaran: And I think it’s helpful now, like, I think, Sam, you’re seeing that kind of, like, what we were trying to do, which is, like, you and Gabe are sort of in the leverage position, and then it sort of all translates to, like, the horsepower from.

509 00:44:40.580 ⇒ 00:44:41.010 Samuel Roberts: Yep.

510 00:44:41.010 ⇒ 00:44:44.029 Uttam Kumaran: AC, and so I think it’s, like, starting to line up there.

511 00:44:44.500 ⇒ 00:44:48.049 Uttam Kumaran: So I might give you guys more of an insight into the roadmap.

512 00:44:48.050 ⇒ 00:44:49.040 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, exactly.

513 00:44:49.040 ⇒ 00:44:52.939 Uttam Kumaran: You two have the best understanding of capacity and what it takes.

514 00:44:53.290 ⇒ 00:44:57.190 Uttam Kumaran: to organize and get something done. So I’ll… I just want to give you guys, like.

515 00:44:57.700 ⇒ 00:45:00.640 Uttam Kumaran: what I’m thinking for the next, like, 5 ideas.

516 00:45:00.640 ⇒ 00:45:01.140 Samuel Roberts: Yes.

517 00:45:01.140 ⇒ 00:45:01.960 Uttam Kumaran: in life.

518 00:45:02.270 ⇒ 00:45:12.649 Uttam Kumaran: you can… we can… yeah, I just want you guys to start to get closer to the PRD development process, or help me understand, like, maybe ordering and where we want to do things.

519 00:45:12.930 ⇒ 00:45:15.369 Samuel Roberts: I have, like, 30 ideas.

520 00:45:15.370 ⇒ 00:45:15.850 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

521 00:45:16.190 ⇒ 00:45:19.579 Uttam Kumaran: I only share 5, but I have a lot. They’re sick.

522 00:45:20.780 ⇒ 00:45:23.849 Uttam Kumaran: So, yeah, I would love to talk about that, so…

523 00:45:23.850 ⇒ 00:45:25.489 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that sounds good.

524 00:45:26.320 ⇒ 00:45:32.160 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah, we can transition to the next stand-up, so feel free to chill or drop.

525 00:45:32.490 ⇒ 00:45:33.090 Samuel Roberts: Hello?

526 00:45:33.860 ⇒ 00:45:36.920 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I’m probably gonna drop and work on that, UI.

527 00:45:37.050 ⇒ 00:45:39.689 Samuel Roberts: Moving the tiles, but… let me know if you need me.

528 00:45:39.970 ⇒ 00:45:40.720 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you.

529 00:45:46.120 ⇒ 00:45:47.070 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, guys.

530 00:45:48.330 ⇒ 00:45:59.670 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, maybe let’s, maybe let’s start a waysh, on urban stems, if you have any plan today on… on what work you’re doing, and then we can talk a little bit about

531 00:46:00.120 ⇒ 00:46:03.760 Uttam Kumaran: Eden, and then I can talk a few… couple things about other clients.

532 00:46:04.770 ⇒ 00:46:09.799 Awaish Kumar: Okay, for our STEMs, like, we…

533 00:46:10.430 ⇒ 00:46:13.369 Awaish Kumar: Went through the Metaplan stuff yesterday.

534 00:46:15.100 ⇒ 00:46:20.370 Awaish Kumar: And I think they are almost… Okay,

535 00:46:21.480 ⇒ 00:46:28.050 Awaish Kumar: So, I will have to make some little bit configuration changes for sensitive.

536 00:46:28.270 ⇒ 00:46:35.019 Awaish Kumar: And apart from that, I will be pushing on a NorthSpeam automation thing.

537 00:46:35.180 ⇒ 00:46:40.560 Awaish Kumar: So, like, Alex hasn’t yet created that integration.

538 00:46:40.730 ⇒ 00:46:44.540 Awaish Kumar: between… S3 and Redshift?

539 00:46:45.900 ⇒ 00:46:46.400 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

540 00:46:46.400 ⇒ 00:46:49.159 Awaish Kumar: And we don’t have access to do that.

541 00:46:49.480 ⇒ 00:46:54.650 Awaish Kumar: So, I’ll ask him to do that, and after that, yeah, like.

542 00:46:55.380 ⇒ 00:46:59.970 Awaish Kumar: Like, model is already merged, data is already in there, the existing data.

543 00:47:00.080 ⇒ 00:47:02.219 Awaish Kumar: But to actually…

544 00:47:02.430 ⇒ 00:47:09.990 Awaish Kumar: bring in the new files and detect them. For that, we need that integration. Okay. So I’m gonna be pushing on that.

545 00:47:10.170 ⇒ 00:47:10.880 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

546 00:47:12.130 ⇒ 00:47:12.990 Uttam Kumaran: Great.

547 00:47:16.910 ⇒ 00:47:18.830 Awaish Kumar: Okay, and then, yeah, we had…

548 00:47:19.170 ⇒ 00:47:26.209 Awaish Kumar: for the looker, like, I filled out some of the fields yesterday for that table, right, Tableau Items accept.

549 00:47:26.770 ⇒ 00:47:33.180 Awaish Kumar: some of it, like, I can work on today to, like, pap it with maybe Demilade’s help, or…

550 00:47:33.410 ⇒ 00:47:35.049 Awaish Kumar: I think he’s off today.

551 00:47:35.240 ⇒ 00:47:36.380 Awaish Kumar: I’m gonna figure it out.

552 00:47:37.370 ⇒ 00:47:45.859 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think, yeah, that’s gonna be another tougher one. Basically, you’ll have to work in a branch.

553 00:47:46.000 ⇒ 00:47:50.759 Uttam Kumaran: and swap out all the fields, and then run Content Validator.

554 00:47:52.550 ⇒ 00:47:53.400 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, but…

555 00:47:53.620 ⇒ 00:48:03.870 Awaish Kumar: even before that, we… I prepped yesterday a few, fields from old to the new ones, and, like, not all of them are available, so…

556 00:48:03.870 ⇒ 00:48:04.600 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so yes.

557 00:48:04.600 ⇒ 00:48:06.499 Awaish Kumar: We have to create those columns.

558 00:48:06.500 ⇒ 00:48:11.929 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, so that’s the first thing. I would just send a note to Emily, if that’s done, to just…

559 00:48:12.460 ⇒ 00:48:17.180 Uttam Kumaran: like… Basically say, hey, there’s all these unfilled columns, what do you want to do?

560 00:48:19.260 ⇒ 00:48:23.090 Uttam Kumaran: She should either mark them as needed or not needed, and then for all the needed ones.

561 00:48:23.270 ⇒ 00:48:28.490 Uttam Kumaran: we have to make a decision if… can we source that from another table, or we just have to leave Tableau items.

562 00:48:28.960 ⇒ 00:48:32.099 Uttam Kumaran: Which is fine. Like, we can keep it there.

563 00:48:36.440 ⇒ 00:48:37.650 Awaish Kumar: Okay, okay.

564 00:48:37.650 ⇒ 00:48:38.220 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

565 00:48:40.500 ⇒ 00:48:48.099 Demilade Agboola: I think for, like, items, deprecating it, we should do it, like, dashboard by dashboard. Let’s get the ones we need from certain dashboards.

566 00:48:48.100 ⇒ 00:49:06.129 Demilade Agboola: out of it, and then… because we already have certain revenue models, and then over time, the other ones that still rely on top of those items can also form part of the roadmap of what we need to build out for that, because again, they have 402 columns. We can’t, like, build everything out all at once.

567 00:49:07.720 ⇒ 00:49:08.330 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

568 00:49:11.950 ⇒ 00:49:17.320 Awaish Kumar: Okay, so are we… Are we changing the approach for local migration?

569 00:49:19.840 ⇒ 00:49:24.650 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I guess, like, there’s two ways to do it.

570 00:49:24.650 ⇒ 00:49:25.290 Awaish Kumar: And…

571 00:49:25.290 ⇒ 00:49:25.820 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

572 00:49:25.820 ⇒ 00:49:33.690 Awaish Kumar: I like the top-down approach, which Demolade is suggesting, that we… we already have a list of high priority dashboards.

573 00:49:33.850 ⇒ 00:49:53.739 Awaish Kumar: We can start from the… the highest priority dashboards, and start… get the… all the feeds needed for… for it in new models, and then you create a new model in Looker, and use… and you explore, and use that, have a dashboard ready with that, and

574 00:49:54.050 ⇒ 00:50:00.400 Awaish Kumar: keep on doing that. Like, all of our dashboards will be from new models, and then people can continue to use…

575 00:50:00.400 ⇒ 00:50:04.469 Uttam Kumaran: I would be, I wouldn’t replace the dashboard, though, because

576 00:50:04.730 ⇒ 00:50:08.029 Uttam Kumaran: This is gonna sound really stupid, but people are gonna have these bookmarks.

577 00:50:08.300 ⇒ 00:50:22.149 Uttam Kumaran: And if you change the URL, as happened to be before, like, it’s gonna be a huge migration, so my suggestion would be just recreating the dashboard underneath the existing one.

578 00:50:22.320 ⇒ 00:50:25.189 Uttam Kumaran: QAing, and then… and then swapping it.

579 00:50:30.730 ⇒ 00:50:32.579 Uttam Kumaran: So that you don’t lose the URL.

580 00:50:35.710 ⇒ 00:50:36.290 Awaish Kumar: Oops.

581 00:50:36.640 ⇒ 00:50:43.339 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, that’s fine. Okay. Ultimately, I think the idea is just, like, we should get doubled items XF slowly out of

582 00:50:43.550 ⇒ 00:50:44.270 Demilade Agboola: Alright.

583 00:50:44.540 ⇒ 00:50:51.529 Demilade Agboola: One dashboard at a time, like, just replacing the data that the dashboard is pointing to with our new models.

584 00:50:51.970 ⇒ 00:50:52.610 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

585 00:50:59.320 ⇒ 00:51:00.010 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

586 00:51:01.360 ⇒ 00:51:04.170 Uttam Kumaran: Great.

587 00:51:04.970 ⇒ 00:51:09.200 Uttam Kumaran: I think… I feel good about… I mean, we also crushed through a bunch of,

588 00:51:10.250 ⇒ 00:51:20.659 Uttam Kumaran: a bunch of Looker cleanup yesterday, so I feel kind of good about progress. I think… I don’t know if you guys want to do another session where we do this. It just seems like a lot of coordination, but…

589 00:51:21.880 ⇒ 00:51:22.950 Uttam Kumaran: Up to you.

590 00:51:28.800 ⇒ 00:51:31.220 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe we can talk in the channel about it today?

591 00:51:34.060 ⇒ 00:51:35.269 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, yeah, we can.

592 00:51:35.780 ⇒ 00:51:37.660 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah, let’s talk. I just…

593 00:51:37.890 ⇒ 00:51:43.510 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Okay, cool. Let’s talk about, eden?

594 00:51:43.810 ⇒ 00:51:48.569 Uttam Kumaran: So, I know, Robert, you’re speaking with folks today.

595 00:51:49.910 ⇒ 00:51:57.690 Uttam Kumaran: So, I know we haven’t made a lot of progress on, like, the higher level priorities, so I would say today is the main sort of blocker to get

596 00:51:57.980 ⇒ 00:52:02.859 Uttam Kumaran: The roadmap there, and then kind of immediately after you give feedback, I can work with

597 00:52:03.290 ⇒ 00:52:05.540 Uttam Kumaran: Zoran and Henry, and start to…

598 00:52:05.800 ⇒ 00:52:13.070 Uttam Kumaran: sort of map that out, and then similarly, if we’re able to get a little bit of an analysis roadmap, that can be the next thing that…

599 00:52:13.180 ⇒ 00:52:15.399 Uttam Kumaran: I can consider looping in folks for.

600 00:52:16.110 ⇒ 00:52:21.889 Robert Tseng: Sure, yeah, I know I’ve been kind of out of pocket the past couple days, but, like,

601 00:52:22.410 ⇒ 00:52:28.759 Robert Tseng: So, I mean, we did have a session internally last week. We said a bunch of things.

602 00:52:29.410 ⇒ 00:52:37.100 Robert Tseng: it kind of feels like we didn’t start any of them, we just sent a Slack message on Friday, and then, like, I don’t really know what we’ve been doing this week, so…

603 00:52:37.210 ⇒ 00:52:38.889 Robert Tseng: I don’t know, it’s not like…

604 00:52:39.600 ⇒ 00:52:51.040 Robert Tseng: they’re gonna give me more details, like, the details are gonna come from us, they’re just gonna help maybe describe, like, what’s priority and what’s not. So, is that, like, the feedback that you want me to get from them, or what? Yeah. Yeah, okay.

605 00:52:51.040 ⇒ 00:52:51.680 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

606 00:52:51.680 ⇒ 00:52:52.220 Robert Tseng: Sure.

607 00:52:52.770 ⇒ 00:52:59.090 Uttam Kumaran: I just wanna… I just wanna know that those are the items… I want, basically, them to be aware that that’s…

608 00:52:59.330 ⇒ 00:53:00.579 Uttam Kumaran: Of, like, what…

609 00:53:00.790 ⇒ 00:53:14.089 Uttam Kumaran: like, what the roadmap could look like, and for them to assign priority, and if they don’t, then we’ll assign priority, and then we’ll get started. So I’ve just been waiting to kind of, like, get that, well, also, we have this catalyst stuff, and so…

610 00:53:14.090 ⇒ 00:53:15.520 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Okay.

611 00:53:16.150 ⇒ 00:53:25.430 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I’ve been chatting back and forth with them on Remo, because that… making a decision on that is more… is the most urgent thing for them, because basically…

612 00:53:25.610 ⇒ 00:53:36.119 Robert Tseng: the remote guys are like, alright, we finished it, here, pay us now, and I need surf there to basically close that out, so, yeah.

613 00:53:36.250 ⇒ 00:53:39.030 Robert Tseng: So Yusurf will be on the call with me later today.

614 00:53:39.670 ⇒ 00:53:40.310 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

615 00:53:40.590 ⇒ 00:53:42.719 Robert Tseng: I think, like, where that’s headed is…

616 00:53:43.420 ⇒ 00:53:55.729 Robert Tseng: Surf’s recommendation is still, like, he wants to take that work, he wants to use his team, he wants to build out, like, a 12-week roadmap, and get Eden to pay for him leading the development.

617 00:53:55.970 ⇒ 00:54:01.669 Robert Tseng: He just wants to, like, take whatever Remo’s built, and then just kind of basically rebuild it.

618 00:54:02.630 ⇒ 00:54:22.020 Robert Tseng: And I think that Eden will be, like… well, it’ll come down to rates, but they’re gonna be like, can we find someone… can we source it ourselves in-house and just, like, take Surf’s scope and build it ourselves? I think that’s what they’re gonna end up spending most of the time talking about today.

619 00:54:22.460 ⇒ 00:54:29.100 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess, what’s your position? Like, if it’s not coming… if it’s not necessarily money coming to Brainforge, like, I…

620 00:54:30.430 ⇒ 00:54:31.969 Robert Tseng: Wait, yeah, so I guess I’m, like.

621 00:54:31.970 ⇒ 00:54:34.090 Uttam Kumaran: Do they care zero if it’s not…

622 00:54:34.090 ⇒ 00:54:37.469 Robert Tseng: Did we get anything from, like, the Remo thing?

623 00:54:38.210 ⇒ 00:54:40.340 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, yeah, I mean, we’re, like, we’re getting paid…

624 00:54:40.610 ⇒ 00:54:46.090 Robert Tseng: But, like, it went all to… didn’t it all go to, Surf? Or, like, I don’t know, what was our deal with him?

625 00:54:46.430 ⇒ 00:54:48.440 Uttam Kumaran: No, I mean, he’s just… he’s hourly with us.

626 00:54:48.440 ⇒ 00:54:53.500 Robert Tseng: Oh, he’s hourly with us. Okay, well then, that makes me feel a little bit better. I thought we were just, like…

627 00:54:53.760 ⇒ 00:54:55.859 Robert Tseng: Not making any margin on this.

628 00:54:55.860 ⇒ 00:55:01.960 Uttam Kumaran: We made, like, a good amount of money, because we basically does, like, a couple hours a week, and they haven’t given us anything, so…

629 00:55:02.110 ⇒ 00:55:05.069 Uttam Kumaran: That’s, like, actually probably a pretty high margin.

630 00:55:05.670 ⇒ 00:55:08.170 Uttam Kumaran: Like, thing, but, like, the problem with that is, like.

631 00:55:08.470 ⇒ 00:55:11.590 Uttam Kumaran: It’s not going, like, it’s not going anywhere, so…

632 00:55:11.760 ⇒ 00:55:16.269 Uttam Kumaran: I think… Well, yeah, I think that’s gonna stop. Yeah. Okay.

633 00:55:16.270 ⇒ 00:55:16.670 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

634 00:55:16.670 ⇒ 00:55:23.249 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t want to, like… our company can’t do full-stack engineering work, so if they… if they want to do that with him.

635 00:55:23.600 ⇒ 00:55:25.080 Uttam Kumaran: Then, sure, like…

636 00:55:25.470 ⇒ 00:55:26.010 Robert Tseng: So…

637 00:55:26.060 ⇒ 00:55:26.950 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

638 00:55:27.120 ⇒ 00:55:30.539 Robert Tseng: I mean, my opinion is, like, whether it’s…

639 00:55:30.690 ⇒ 00:55:48.950 Robert Tseng: Okay, I mean, with Surf, we have clear roadmap. He’s saying 12 weeks. You know, my whole point of, like, working with him was that as he’s rebuilding the app, there will come to a point where he will need our team, especially when he’s, like, setting up the data layer and, like, testing all the events. That ends up becoming additional scope for us, and we can build off of that. So, like, that’s…

640 00:55:48.950 ⇒ 00:55:55.379 Robert Tseng: That was what I was hoping. I think, realistically, that’s not gonna happen until January. So, if we do…

641 00:55:55.390 ⇒ 00:55:56.980 Robert Tseng: I mean, yeah, I guess…

642 00:55:57.150 ⇒ 00:56:11.049 Robert Tseng: if we do extend Surf’s work, and I kind of push Eden in that way to work with Surf, we might make something off of his… like, a margin off of his implementation, and then we can expect that we’ll get more scope from his work in January.

643 00:56:11.370 ⇒ 00:56:17.209 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, surf’s also not, like, so expensive, like, I would say if they go try to price

644 00:56:17.830 ⇒ 00:56:21.320 Uttam Kumaran: Full-stack, like, health app thing.

645 00:56:21.660 ⇒ 00:56:30.169 Uttam Kumaran: They’re gonna, like, it’s gonna be expensive, but they can go… we have a couple of other people they could talk to, to kind of get a price.

646 00:56:30.330 ⇒ 00:56:47.620 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I’ve already connected him with a couple other, like, engineers in my network, and he… I mean, that gave him the baseline. I mean, he’s trying to basically go and offshore, like, develop it. Yeah. Like, dude, I mean, without a clear, like, a PM to, like, manage it, like, it’s not gonna go anywhere, so,

647 00:56:47.720 ⇒ 00:56:51.580 Robert Tseng: Yeah, anyway, like, I think that’s… that’s… that’s the decision in their court.

648 00:56:52.560 ⇒ 00:57:02.989 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess I could also… okay, I mean, I guess I could also connect you with that One Health person I know. I guess, like, again, if we’re not making money on it, like.

649 00:57:03.590 ⇒ 00:57:09.430 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t really, like, care at all who does the work. Yeah. I would like it, surf, to do it, because…

650 00:57:09.430 ⇒ 00:57:12.880 Robert Tseng: If we are making money on it, then I’m, like, more inclined to be like.

651 00:57:12.880 ⇒ 00:57:21.899 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, in what we, like, we could sign a referral deal with a surf… oh, but you’re saying for the extra scope, yeah, but no matter who does it, we’ll have to work with those people, right?

652 00:57:22.090 ⇒ 00:57:37.119 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah, but I mean, I don’t want to put us in a situation, which I thought we were already doing this, where, like, we agreed to work with Surf, and we basically weren’t gonna make any money for 3 months until, like, it got to a place where we’re actually having new scope. But if we’re already making some margin on.

653 00:57:37.120 ⇒ 00:57:37.720 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

654 00:57:37.720 ⇒ 00:57:41.700 Robert Tseng: his work, then I think that’s okay, like, that’s… we are… we’re not, like.

655 00:57:42.090 ⇒ 00:57:45.380 Robert Tseng: it is still a positive ROI from the start.

656 00:57:46.520 ⇒ 00:57:47.250 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

657 00:57:47.250 ⇒ 00:57:52.709 Robert Tseng: Okay, well then in that case, I will probably bias to pushing for the surf option, rather than…

658 00:57:52.870 ⇒ 00:57:55.150 Robert Tseng: Me… interviewing?

659 00:57:55.150 ⇒ 00:58:14.359 Uttam Kumaran: Like, surf’s pretty flexible. You should, like, have them do terms that are in their favor, like, have a good, like, cancellation period, have them meet… like, I mean, dude, he’s, like, a genius. Like, I think he can get it done. He will go offshore, but he has, like, a great offshore team of people. I think…

660 00:58:15.180 ⇒ 00:58:17.699 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, again, if… I don’t… if he’s gonna lead.

661 00:58:17.700 ⇒ 00:58:18.910 Robert Tseng: I mean, he has a team.

662 00:58:19.400 ⇒ 00:58:26.920 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like, he was basically running the entire tech at this other startup. Like, he just does fractional CTO, like, basically.

663 00:58:27.880 ⇒ 00:58:30.390 Uttam Kumaran: Runs fractional engineering teams.

664 00:58:30.390 ⇒ 00:58:36.290 Robert Tseng: Okay, well, I’m gonna message him after this. I’m like, dude, you gotta pitch yourself today, like, this is… this is the time, okay?

665 00:58:36.290 ⇒ 00:58:49.950 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, no, text him that. Text him that, yeah. And tell him to get on video, yeah. I mean, dude, his… yeah, he could… I think he could… he could basically do anything. I think it’s gonna be up to them to make a decision. This is just such a crazy project that, like.

666 00:58:50.190 ⇒ 00:58:54.369 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t want us to get burned on, like, owning this whole thing.

667 00:58:54.800 ⇒ 00:58:55.520 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

668 00:58:55.520 ⇒ 00:58:59.070 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t like… I don’t know, this just seems like we’re getting out of, like, our death.

669 00:58:59.830 ⇒ 00:59:03.219 Uttam Kumaran: So I’m like, we… we need this to work.

670 00:59:03.330 ⇒ 00:59:07.420 Uttam Kumaran: We off… we surf is someone… is the… probably the only person in my network.

671 00:59:07.600 ⇒ 00:59:14.049 Uttam Kumaran: that could come in and maybe steal something like this. I don’t have anyone else, but, like, of course there will be other folks, so…

672 00:59:14.050 ⇒ 00:59:19.979 Robert Tseng: Okay, okay, alright, that’s good. That’s… that helps. I feel better about where we’re at, then. Okay.

673 00:59:20.920 ⇒ 00:59:25.620 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t… I mean, if this young dude is doing this, like, in his bedroom or whatever, like, yeah.

674 00:59:25.620 ⇒ 00:59:29.939 Robert Tseng: He technically has 4 people, but Surf does is just one dude, yeah.

675 00:59:30.490 ⇒ 00:59:33.850 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, oh, like, the camera has 4 people?

676 00:59:33.850 ⇒ 00:59:34.480 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

677 00:59:34.680 ⇒ 00:59:39.999 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, dude, F all those people. None of them are doing anything, then. It’s like, like…

678 00:59:40.130 ⇒ 00:59:50.230 Uttam Kumaran: That’s even worse. I want to meet these four people. But, yeah, okay. Okay, cool. Let’s, anything else? Yeah, go on.

679 00:59:50.960 ⇒ 00:59:56.799 Awaish Kumar: According to Surf, like, he will also need, like, two full-stack engineers as a, like.

680 00:59:58.120 ⇒ 01:00:14.180 Awaish Kumar: Like, no matter how it goes, but, like, the amount of people… the number of people needed on this project are, like, one as a surf, as a leader, and two, full-stack engineers, which can run it for, like, three to four months.

681 01:00:15.320 ⇒ 01:00:17.289 Awaish Kumar: To, to, like, complete it.

682 01:00:17.290 ⇒ 01:00:21.799 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but this is where, like, I don’t want to scope a full-stack product

683 01:00:22.110 ⇒ 01:00:25.110 Uttam Kumaran: project. Like, he should do that, and he should sell it.

684 01:00:25.110 ⇒ 01:00:25.880 Awaish Kumar: Oh my god.

685 01:00:26.350 ⇒ 01:00:32.979 Uttam Kumaran: You know, I mean, I can assist him in doing that, but he’s smart enough. Like, he’ll scope it out for them.

686 01:00:33.280 ⇒ 01:00:37.219 Uttam Kumaran: And if he needs our help to do that, then I’m gonna ask for…

687 01:00:37.510 ⇒ 01:00:39.450 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna ask for some cash.

688 01:00:39.560 ⇒ 01:00:42.379 Uttam Kumaran: You know, cause, yeah.

689 01:00:45.870 ⇒ 01:00:46.760 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

690 01:00:46.880 ⇒ 01:00:48.609 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. Anything else?

691 01:00:48.750 ⇒ 01:00:51.350 Uttam Kumaran: Zoran Henry on… on eating stuff.

692 01:00:51.350 ⇒ 01:00:59.499 Henry Zhao: Eden, yeah, I have a few things. So, one is Awash, were you able to look at the webhook stuff we needed? So, like, GHL webhook and disputes webhook for Eden?

693 01:01:01.420 ⇒ 01:01:02.900 Awaish Kumar: Sorry, what’s that?

694 01:01:04.400 ⇒ 01:01:06.800 Uttam Kumaran: Show by level? What is JHL?

695 01:01:07.190 ⇒ 01:01:07.640 Henry Zhao: Gee.

696 01:01:07.640 ⇒ 01:01:09.409 Awaish Kumar: Initially, let’s go high level.

697 01:01:09.640 ⇒ 01:01:14.359 Henry Zhao: Yeah, it’s the, like, text messaging. Yeah, they want to know if they can have a web for that data.

698 01:01:15.310 ⇒ 01:01:22.560 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, yeah, but, like, I don’t receive any requirement. We already have GoHighLevel connected with Segment.

699 01:01:22.560 ⇒ 01:01:27.899 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, is there… but is there a ticket for either of those? Like, if there’s a new request coming in, I would just like…

700 01:01:28.010 ⇒ 01:01:29.620 Uttam Kumaran: The graded ticket, like…

701 01:01:29.620 ⇒ 01:01:30.599 Henry Zhao: Go ahead, check it.

702 01:01:30.990 ⇒ 01:01:32.280 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so on mute.

703 01:01:32.660 ⇒ 01:01:35.130 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’d just like to pull that up, and then let’s…

704 01:01:35.640 ⇒ 01:01:41.360 Uttam Kumaran: And then again, if it’s not urgent, then I’m gonna kick it to Monday, so… .

705 01:01:45.030 ⇒ 01:01:47.349 Henry Zhao: So it seems like we’ve already done a bunch of work.

706 01:01:47.350 ⇒ 01:01:48.920 Uttam Kumaran: with GHL.

707 01:01:49.320 ⇒ 01:01:56.350 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, yeah, that… that… that is already done. That is, like, we have… we had to send some…

708 01:01:56.620 ⇒ 01:02:03.030 Awaish Kumar: Like, like, orders for… Sema, and, trees.

709 01:02:03.450 ⇒ 01:02:05.960 Awaish Kumar: To GHL, and that’s already set up.

710 01:02:06.250 ⇒ 01:02:07.030 Awaish Kumar: MGHL.

711 01:02:07.030 ⇒ 01:02:16.930 Henry Zhao: I’ll get the table name from you, Awash, then. And then Bobby had asked about sending the disputes data with a webhook to…

712 01:02:17.350 ⇒ 01:02:20.400 Henry Zhao: Let me find the ticket.

713 01:02:23.630 ⇒ 01:02:25.360 Henry Zhao: Buy a webhook to segment.

714 01:02:25.930 ⇒ 01:02:27.849 Henry Zhao: It’s Eden1097.

715 01:02:29.180 ⇒ 01:02:31.010 Henry Zhao: It’s in next cycle right now.

716 01:02:31.980 ⇒ 01:02:32.660 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

717 01:02:35.240 ⇒ 01:02:41.289 Uttam Kumaran: So, my question on these things, like, can you loop in Amber to create these tickets, like, if you need them?

718 01:02:41.290 ⇒ 01:02:42.859 Henry Zhao: Ever did. Emma did create these tickets.

719 01:02:42.860 ⇒ 01:02:46.730 Uttam Kumaran: So, well then, where’s the two… where’s the GHL and the other one that you mentioned?

720 01:02:46.730 ⇒ 01:02:50.539 Henry Zhao: Chicha, you already found it, I wish that it was done, so I just need to find the table.

721 01:02:50.540 ⇒ 01:02:51.540 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.

722 01:02:51.880 ⇒ 01:02:59.750 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. Yeah, I just want to make sure that, like, just loop in Amber to have that ticket created that way, and then… yeah, okay, and then give me some updates on…

723 01:03:00.170 ⇒ 01:03:02.399 Uttam Kumaran: V, so this one is…

724 01:03:02.620 ⇒ 01:03:12.080 Henry Zhao: So, Ron, I’m not finding the BASC order ID or transaction ID, or anything we talked about in the Webflow order completed table. Were you able to add that, or…

725 01:03:12.570 ⇒ 01:03:19.460 Zoran Selinger: Yes, of course. We have to start looking at segment. Let’s just confirm that the events are coming in with.

726 01:03:19.460 ⇒ 01:03:19.790 Henry Zhao: They are.

727 01:03:19.790 ⇒ 01:03:21.350 Zoran Selinger: those necessary traits.

728 01:03:21.640 ⇒ 01:03:23.199 Henry Zhao: They are coming in, but the trades are null.

729 01:03:24.070 ⇒ 01:03:25.279 Zoran Selinger: Traits are not there.

730 01:03:25.760 ⇒ 01:03:27.170 Henry Zhao: They’re there, but they’re null.

731 01:03:27.660 ⇒ 01:03:30.389 Henry Zhao: So, we’ll look at that together. Okay.

732 01:03:30.390 ⇒ 01:03:31.280 Zoran Selinger: Yep, yep.

733 01:03:34.030 ⇒ 01:03:44.269 Henry Zhao: Pharmacy work, I’ve asked Brad… I’ve asked Pete to give me the data that we need from Pharmedica, but Robert, I think we need to sign an MNDA or something like that in order to get the data.

734 01:03:44.720 ⇒ 01:03:49.020 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I saw something come in my inbox. I have to sign it too, or I thought you already signed it.

735 01:03:49.020 ⇒ 01:03:50.540 Henry Zhao: I have to sign it, I didn’t get anything.

736 01:03:51.350 ⇒ 01:03:53.470 Robert Tseng: Okay, alright, sorry, I’ll do it.

737 01:03:53.970 ⇒ 01:03:56.839 Henry Zhao: Yeah, Rebecca hasn’t told me anything, so I’m just kind of in the dark.

738 01:03:57.010 ⇒ 01:03:57.760 Robert Tseng: Alright.

739 01:03:59.890 ⇒ 01:04:00.540 Henry Zhao: Okay.

740 01:04:01.790 ⇒ 01:04:13.010 Awaish Kumar: Also, like, we updated the architecture diagram, and I… with the help of Zoran and Anna, so I’ve added in the deck as well.

741 01:04:13.200 ⇒ 01:04:14.179 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great.

742 01:04:15.910 ⇒ 01:04:17.160 Uttam Kumaran: Awesome.

743 01:04:17.160 ⇒ 01:04:21.560 Zoran Selinger: On the wicket side as well, so we’re still negotiating the…

744 01:04:21.650 ⇒ 01:04:40.450 Zoran Selinger: the payment and the trial period. They only got back to me today that they are going to look into the… what I proposed. Looks like Melissa was… was not here for a couple of days. So that work is not gonna go, this week at all.

745 01:04:40.860 ⇒ 01:04:50.419 Zoran Selinger: We’re just gonna kinda conclude, probably, how we’re gonna proceed. So that’s not gonna happen this week.

746 01:04:50.610 ⇒ 01:04:54.719 Zoran Selinger: I was talking to Carter as well,

747 01:04:55.050 ⇒ 01:05:03.009 Zoran Selinger: our Q4 roadmap, we had some priorities there, Catalyst, Upfluence, Growth, GrowSource, and then Meta.

748 01:05:03.700 ⇒ 01:05:15.019 Zoran Selinger: Now, Meta is actually the priority at the moment. They would love to have that ready for… for, next month.

749 01:05:15.230 ⇒ 01:05:29.179 Zoran Selinger: So they can start running campaigns. So, essentially, that’s gonna be very similar work to Catalyst, in terms of attribution to, to Meta. They want to just do, they wanna just do, first touch.

750 01:05:29.700 ⇒ 01:05:33.080 Zoran Selinger: They just want to credit Facebook for first touch.

751 01:05:33.630 ⇒ 01:05:42.019 Zoran Selinger: when there are basically visits to, conversion campaigns, to the conversion pages. So.

752 01:05:43.030 ⇒ 01:05:49.610 Zoran Selinger: We can do that pretty easily, but that’s basically… that’s… that’s what it is. I’m still looking into it.

753 01:05:49.750 ⇒ 01:05:51.699 Zoran Selinger: I’m gonna write that up.

754 01:05:52.750 ⇒ 01:05:57.760 Zoran Selinger: So, yeah, so that’s… that’s… those are the… the two… two changes that I have.

755 01:05:58.700 ⇒ 01:06:04.269 Awaish Kumar: Zoran, isn’t our, like, this thank you page table has that information?

756 01:06:05.030 ⇒ 01:06:11.260 Zoran Selinger: Yes, it should have, facebook link IDs, and campaigns, and everything else that we need.

757 01:06:12.730 ⇒ 01:06:19.460 Awaish Kumar: Okay. Especially, especially when we can cross-reference with our order-complete table.

758 01:06:19.460 ⇒ 01:06:26.819 Zoran Selinger: So, we have… we even have PII, which we can hash and then send through the Facebook conversion API.

759 01:06:27.080 ⇒ 01:06:31.649 Zoran Selinger: But let’s, let’s, like, look into those details, later.

760 01:06:35.280 ⇒ 01:06:43.189 Uttam Kumaran: So, I guess for… For… for Robert’s review, Zoran, can you… can you put details into this slide?

761 01:06:44.430 ⇒ 01:06:45.080 Uttam Kumaran: By chance?

762 01:06:45.080 ⇒ 01:06:45.600 Zoran Selinger: Yep.

763 01:06:45.820 ⇒ 01:06:46.540 Zoran Selinger: Sure.

764 01:06:46.870 ⇒ 01:06:52.910 Uttam Kumaran: you can use… you can just basically highlight, like, what it is we’re doing. I think that’d just be helpful.

765 01:06:52.910 ⇒ 01:06:53.620 Zoran Selinger: Okay.

766 01:06:53.720 ⇒ 01:07:03.199 Uttam Kumaran: And then, Robert, do you want a slide on, the data quality stuff?

767 01:07:05.370 ⇒ 01:07:06.600 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, it’s on the phone.

768 01:07:07.170 ⇒ 01:07:13.149 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, maybe Awash, do you want to create a quick slide on, like, how we’re mitigating

769 01:07:13.840 ⇒ 01:07:16.179 Uttam Kumaran: data quality issues?

770 01:07:19.290 ⇒ 01:07:20.120 Awaish Kumar: Okay.

771 01:07:20.610 ⇒ 01:07:22.899 Uttam Kumaran: Kind of based on what we talked about yesterday.

772 01:07:24.500 ⇒ 01:07:26.750 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, okay, sure, I will add it.

773 01:07:27.180 ⇒ 01:07:30.040 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, maybe Amber, like, I can,

774 01:07:31.460 ⇒ 01:07:36.950 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, ideally, we can just create one here. We could talk about, like, data… Reliability.

775 01:07:37.660 ⇒ 01:07:43.340 Uttam Kumaran: And if we could just include a couple things that we’re gonna… were basically what we talked about yesterday that we’re changing, that would be great.

776 01:07:52.450 ⇒ 01:07:57.269 Uttam Kumaran: And yeah, I think Robert’s meeting is this afternoon, so that’s just a little bit timely.

777 01:07:57.960 ⇒ 01:08:00.460 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great.

778 01:08:00.460 ⇒ 01:08:07.140 Henry Zhao: We have a deck review meeting during the same time as the Honey Stinger Hedgerow one, so I don’t know how you guys want to do that.

779 01:08:08.050 ⇒ 01:08:11.249 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but is that… is that your meeting with ELT, or what… is that internal?

780 01:08:11.250 ⇒ 01:08:15.130 Henry Zhao: No, I think, Robert was gonna go over it with me, and…

781 01:08:15.130 ⇒ 01:08:17.330 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, cool, so just join, yeah, just join for…

782 01:08:17.460 ⇒ 01:08:19.139 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. As much as you can, yeah.

783 01:08:19.149 ⇒ 01:08:20.659 Henry Zhao: I’m gonna start with Honey Singer.

784 01:08:20.960 ⇒ 01:08:21.840 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool.

785 01:08:22.240 ⇒ 01:08:23.839 Henry Zhao: Transition to the Eden one.

786 01:08:24.160 ⇒ 01:08:30.239 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. So yeah, I guess these two slides would be great if you guys can close that out, and then…

787 01:08:30.420 ⇒ 01:08:36.490 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I feel okay about Eden. I think, yeah, I think Zoran, probably, we just need to… once I get…

788 01:08:36.689 ⇒ 01:08:41.610 Uttam Kumaran: the list from Robert today, maybe me and you can spend some time and ticket out, like, the next

789 01:08:41.750 ⇒ 01:08:43.529 Uttam Kumaran: Kind of, like, week or two of work.

790 01:08:43.750 ⇒ 01:08:46.139 Uttam Kumaran: So we can work on that.

791 01:08:46.140 ⇒ 01:08:50.009 Zoran Selinger: I actually do have some tickets sitting in the backlog for…

792 01:08:50.370 ⇒ 01:08:55.170 Zoran Selinger: know when we can fit it in, regarding, Wicked, at least.

793 01:08:56.479 ⇒ 01:09:02.659 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, if you can… if we can at least move it to next cycle, like, is that… is somewhere in the backlog?

794 01:09:03.130 ⇒ 01:09:05.859 Zoran Selinger: Yes, you will find,

795 01:09:06.210 ⇒ 01:09:09.560 Zoran Selinger: Yes, so the first one, 1141.

796 01:09:09.800 ⇒ 01:09:11.060 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

797 01:09:11.460 ⇒ 01:09:19.749 Zoran Selinger: Yes, so that’s… that’s the one I was hoping we could do this week, but it’s not gonna go ahead, so it’s for next week, for sure.

798 01:09:20.010 ⇒ 01:09:21.399 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. And, yeah.

799 01:09:26.439 ⇒ 01:09:34.319 Uttam Kumaran: And then my other… oh, okay, and then my other question is, like, I guess a ways… did we… we didn’t ever… we didn’t ever ask,

800 01:09:35.459 ⇒ 01:09:39.469 Uttam Kumaran: Polytomic about moving Stuff to them, right?

801 01:09:40.420 ⇒ 01:09:41.870 Awaish Kumar: No.

802 01:09:43.379 ⇒ 01:09:44.829 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, do we have a…

803 01:09:44.830 ⇒ 01:09:49.850 Awaish Kumar: Could I… Okay, should I list them down, all the sources, then resend.

804 01:09:49.850 ⇒ 01:09:54.430 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we don’t… we don’t have anything, right? Like, listed? Oh.

805 01:09:55.540 ⇒ 01:09:59.489 Uttam Kumaran: This isn’t… yeah, I think this is, like, an old one, right? Because we’re not for…

806 01:09:59.640 ⇒ 01:10:00.759 Uttam Kumaran: Do we need this?

807 01:10:01.240 ⇒ 01:10:05.170 Awaish Kumar: This one was for, like, that API, which we didn’t close, like…

808 01:10:05.820 ⇒ 01:10:10.210 Awaish Kumar: Like, the script which is sending data, and we don’t know from where.

809 01:10:12.190 ⇒ 01:10:16.290 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess, like, tell me what… what’s, like, what is the… what’s gonna happen with that?

810 01:10:26.240 ⇒ 01:10:31.160 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, like, that was, like, on the server side.

811 01:10:31.410 ⇒ 01:10:50.069 Awaish Kumar: there is an, like… on NorthSpeam, we need, data coming from two sites to market as a fully tracked order. One is client-side, another one is server-side. From server-side, according to Zora, like, we are sending some

812 01:10:50.540 ⇒ 01:11:08.040 Awaish Kumar: pings for some of the orders, but it is missing for some, and we don’t know, like, if… like, we can’t answer right now that on… from the server side, we are fully covered. Like, we are sending, like, that request for all the orders. And the problem was that we didn’t know what script is doing that.

813 01:11:08.040 ⇒ 01:11:11.810 Uttam Kumaran: I remember that, but I guess, tell me what is the, like.

814 01:11:12.400 ⇒ 01:11:17.210 Awaish Kumar: This has been sitting here now. I remember we talked about this, like, 2 weeks ago. Hi, Blake.

815 01:11:17.210 ⇒ 01:11:19.090 Uttam Kumaran: This is still the bubble, yeah.

816 01:11:19.710 ⇒ 01:11:29.059 Awaish Kumar: So, it was moved to backlog for other tickets, but the thing is, now we are moving off to North Beam. I don’t think we need to work on it anymore.

817 01:11:29.060 ⇒ 01:11:29.760 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

818 01:11:30.470 ⇒ 01:11:31.100 Uttam Kumaran: Is there on your.

819 01:11:31.100 ⇒ 01:11:33.370 Awaish Kumar: We’ll be closing the North Beam anyway.

820 01:11:33.750 ⇒ 01:11:34.920 Uttam Kumaran: John, you agree?

821 01:11:35.970 ⇒ 01:11:43.739 Zoran Selinger: I mean, yeah, I was… I was about to ask why we’re talking about, so, listen, I think.

822 01:11:43.740 ⇒ 01:11:48.220 Uttam Kumaran: Well, no, I guess this is just, like, if you make the wicked decision, then this stops, right?

823 01:11:48.620 ⇒ 01:11:55.569 Zoran Selinger: Exactly, but we still have to… we still… I would like to have, after the implementation, at least

824 01:11:55.940 ⇒ 01:11:58.529 Zoran Selinger: 3 to 4 weeks of trialing.

825 01:11:58.690 ⇒ 01:12:06.720 Zoran Selinger: Before we say, okay, this is what we want, this is what we need, then we can go ahead and say, okay, Norbin can go.

826 01:12:07.060 ⇒ 01:12:08.090 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, okay.

827 01:12:08.090 ⇒ 01:12:08.650 Zoran Selinger: Yeah.

828 01:12:19.030 ⇒ 01:12:19.650 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.

829 01:12:20.020 ⇒ 01:12:20.890 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

830 01:12:21.080 ⇒ 01:12:23.819 Uttam Kumaran: Great, and then…

831 01:12:24.060 ⇒ 01:12:31.139 Uttam Kumaran: I guess, Henry, like, there’s a couple tickets on your side, and then Demolade, I assume this one I can move?

832 01:12:32.050 ⇒ 01:12:33.489 Uttam Kumaran: Out to them.

833 01:12:34.400 ⇒ 01:12:36.130 Uttam Kumaran: Are these still, like, relevant?

834 01:12:37.370 ⇒ 01:12:42.599 Demilade Agboola: Yes, but, like, the last couple of times when we’ve asked.

835 01:12:42.950 ⇒ 01:12:48.620 Demilade Agboola: Zach has said there aren’t any new ones, and I think the last request he has, he responded to that, so…

836 01:12:48.860 ⇒ 01:12:49.860 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.

837 01:12:51.300 ⇒ 01:12:52.000 Uttam Kumaran: And then…

838 01:12:52.000 ⇒ 01:12:57.210 Henry Zhao: Has Zach responded to any of us recently? Because he hasn’t responded to me on anything.

839 01:12:57.870 ⇒ 01:13:01.089 Henry Zhao: And we’re waiting for, like, file size and a bunch of other data to…

840 01:13:01.310 ⇒ 01:13:02.950 Henry Zhao: Be able to finish stuff for Eden.

841 01:13:05.210 ⇒ 01:13:11.320 Demilade Agboola: Well, that’s kind of how Zach is. He responds, yeah, he responds randomly.

842 01:13:11.480 ⇒ 01:13:12.309 Henry Zhao: once a month.

843 01:13:13.560 ⇒ 01:13:14.080 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.

844 01:13:16.430 ⇒ 01:13:22.699 Henry Zhao: Alright, so Robert, we just have to prepare comms for Eden on, like, why we still don’t have vial size, why we don’t have some of the other things they asked for.

845 01:13:23.080 ⇒ 01:13:26.049 Henry Zhao: It’s all in a doc. I’ll actually share this doc with you so you have it as well.

846 01:13:26.540 ⇒ 01:13:28.360 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, maybe we can put that…

847 01:13:29.040 ⇒ 01:13:32.290 Uttam Kumaran: Again, if we could just create a slide on what’s remaining

848 01:13:32.750 ⇒ 01:13:34.810 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if this already is a slide on that.

849 01:13:36.630 ⇒ 01:13:38.940 Uttam Kumaran: Would that just be under pharmacy requests?

850 01:13:41.700 ⇒ 01:13:42.409 Uttam Kumaran: Or do you want to…

851 01:13:42.410 ⇒ 01:13:46.240 Henry Zhao: I’m gonna talk about… I was gonna talk about pharmacy requests in the next, bi-weekly.

852 01:13:46.240 ⇒ 01:13:47.939 Uttam Kumaran: But why don’t you just put it here?

853 01:13:48.540 ⇒ 01:13:51.410 Henry Zhao: Okay, put in risk of mitigations, I can do that.

854 01:13:52.250 ⇒ 01:13:52.830 Uttam Kumaran: Alright.

855 01:14:04.050 ⇒ 01:14:06.159 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool.

856 01:14:07.310 ⇒ 01:14:15.220 Uttam Kumaran: For insomnia, yeah, I guess, Andre, if you can give me, like, a little blurb to send to Matt, I can…

857 01:14:15.360 ⇒ 01:14:19.490 Uttam Kumaran: try to get us time. I know Birdie hasn’t sent anything.

858 01:14:19.520 ⇒ 01:14:28.729 Amber Lin: Yeah, she responded, she just got time this week. I would like to know what else we need on FDA. I can talk about rewards, but.

859 01:14:28.730 ⇒ 01:14:33.619 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I just need, like, a blurb that I can send to Matt, which was mainly, like.

860 01:14:34.250 ⇒ 01:14:44.190 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, should I just ask him for time and say we did some FDA campaign analysis? Like, I just need, like, what to actually send him. I’m just, like, on too many clients. I don’t know what…

861 01:14:44.190 ⇒ 01:14:50.729 Amber Lin: Oh, okay. FDA is a different channel, so we… we’ve not looked at it yet. That’s why I’m a little bit hesitant.

862 01:14:50.850 ⇒ 01:14:54.480 Uttam Kumaran: But then what did Matt… but, like, I just want to get a… I guess, like.

863 01:14:54.590 ⇒ 01:15:00.139 Uttam Kumaran: I want to get a meeting with Matt. If you were… if I asked you, what do I need to send to get a meeting with Matt?

864 01:15:00.840 ⇒ 01:15:06.770 Amber Lin: Okay, I see. Yeah. Okay, I’ll talk a bit about rewards. I’ll find something to send him to.

865 01:15:06.770 ⇒ 01:15:12.010 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, if you can just find me anything, I would like to just get us on the phone with them. Don’t worry about what we’ll do on it, because

866 01:15:12.240 ⇒ 01:15:15.339 Uttam Kumaran: We just have to establish, like, relations.

867 01:15:15.340 ⇒ 01:15:17.749 Amber Lin: Cool. Awesome. Okay, I can do that.

868 01:15:17.750 ⇒ 01:15:18.600 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.

869 01:15:18.860 ⇒ 01:15:25.070 Uttam Kumaran: And then I messaged Caitlin about defaults, I haven’t heard back yet, and then I… Robert and I spoke about the ABC

870 01:15:25.220 ⇒ 01:15:30.070 Uttam Kumaran: Proposal, so I’ll also send that out today.

871 01:15:30.620 ⇒ 01:15:32.420 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll just put that in the calendar.

872 01:15:34.790 ⇒ 01:15:38.020 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.

873 01:15:38.880 ⇒ 01:15:40.589 Uttam Kumaran: What else?

874 01:15:44.200 ⇒ 01:15:58.179 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, for, Hedra, yeah, so Demolade, I invited you to a bunch of stuff. I think if you… I know, you’re off later, so if we can work together a little bit during the working session, like an hour and a half, I can onboard you to everything.

875 01:15:58.290 ⇒ 01:16:03.880 Uttam Kumaran: Basically, I set up dbt, Poly, Snowflake, and we have two core

876 01:16:04.470 ⇒ 01:16:11.079 Uttam Kumaran: sort of marts models we’re going for, revenue and users, and so I can get your help on revenue, and I’m… I can…

877 01:16:11.390 ⇒ 01:16:13.679 Uttam Kumaran: Get users done probably this week.

878 01:16:13.860 ⇒ 01:16:18.939 Uttam Kumaran: It’s just a subscription SaaS business, but I’ll just walk you through everything, if that’s fine.

879 01:16:20.430 ⇒ 01:16:22.050 Demilade Agboola: Okay, sounds good.

880 01:16:22.050 ⇒ 01:16:38.780 Uttam Kumaran: it’s pure modeling, so we don’t have to do any dashboarding, and the team is really smart, like, good people, so… And then, on Honey Stinger, similarly, Henry, I’ll… I can brief you. Rico’s creating all the tickets, and then I can brief you on what we want to do, you know, for Friday.

881 01:16:38.810 ⇒ 01:16:45.450 Uttam Kumaran: So just… I would say if anything comes up with Eden that’s non-prio, I would try to kick it to next week so that we can dedicate

882 01:16:46.520 ⇒ 01:16:49.519 Uttam Kumaran: Later today and tomorrow for a few singer stuff.

883 01:16:50.540 ⇒ 01:16:53.130 Uttam Kumaran: Whoa.

884 01:16:53.860 ⇒ 01:16:58.360 Uttam Kumaran: Anything else?

885 01:16:58.630 ⇒ 01:17:12.280 Uttam Kumaran: The other two things, Awash and Demolade, I’m having Rico connect you with a potential candidate for another DE, sort of AE candidate. Like, good guy, worked at Fivetran, then worked at Shopify, like.

886 01:17:13.310 ⇒ 01:17:26.210 Uttam Kumaran: seems like someone like us, so just would give us some more modeling support. We have, like, another 3 or 4 clients that are sort of at the edge right now, so I just need to make sure that, like.

887 01:17:26.690 ⇒ 01:17:35.269 Uttam Kumaran: right now, it’s just… it’s mainly the two of you, and it’s the three of us that can, like, rip together dbt code, so I just want to make sure we have support,

888 01:17:36.200 ⇒ 01:17:40.230 Uttam Kumaran: And so, if you guys can talk to him and let me know what you think, that would be great.

889 01:17:40.500 ⇒ 01:17:45.689 Uttam Kumaran: Insomnia will keep pushing, we’re still talking to Ali.

890 01:17:46.100 ⇒ 01:17:52.060 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I feel like… For the most part, that’s it.

891 01:17:52.570 ⇒ 01:17:54.950 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, maybe Zoran, I think…

892 01:17:55.510 ⇒ 01:17:57.619 Uttam Kumaran: If you want to grab time.

893 01:17:57.980 ⇒ 01:18:07.920 Uttam Kumaran: maybe with me tomorrow, we can start to talk through Roadmap. I think I would like to kind of almost, like, do it a little bit differently than I think, previously.

894 01:18:08.170 ⇒ 01:18:19.179 Uttam Kumaran: usually what happens is, like, I’m building the roadmap with, like, project managers. I think at this point, I’ll kind of… I can kind of brainstorm with you, and I’ll kind of give you a little bit of the freedom, and, like, how to build

895 01:18:19.400 ⇒ 01:18:27.859 Uttam Kumaran: sort of the roadmap for Eden, both, like, in linear, but also kind of, like, we’ll start just doing it in a document.

896 01:18:28.240 ⇒ 01:18:31.200 Uttam Kumaran: And then we can translate that, to the team.

897 01:18:33.640 ⇒ 01:18:38.370 Robert Tseng: Hi, sorry, I’m back. I don’t know if anybody was trying to talk to me. I just finished.

898 01:18:38.550 ⇒ 01:18:42.950 Robert Tseng: I was talking to the Pharmatica people, Yeah.

899 01:18:44.990 ⇒ 01:18:49.730 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, I don’t… yeah, go ahead. Utam, that works, what we talked about. Sure, let’s do that.

900 01:18:49.920 ⇒ 01:18:51.590 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

901 01:18:51.940 ⇒ 01:18:53.670 Henry Zhao: What did Pharmitica say, Robert?

902 01:18:54.080 ⇒ 01:18:57.520 Robert Tseng: Well… Have you talked to Pharmatica?

903 01:18:57.890 ⇒ 01:18:59.009 Henry Zhao: No, I have not.

904 01:18:59.380 ⇒ 01:19:00.170 Henry Zhao: Okay.

905 01:19:00.170 ⇒ 01:19:04.200 Robert Tseng: Seems like there’s a lot of moving parts here. Apparently they want,

906 01:19:04.490 ⇒ 01:19:08.340 Robert Tseng: Okay, I mean, this is… I’ll have to bring this with ELT, but…

907 01:19:08.500 ⇒ 01:19:21.299 Robert Tseng: So we’re signing on behalf of Brainforge so that we don’t share things out of, you know, outside of Brainforge, which is fine. They’ll give us access to their… have you… have you looked at their pharmacy API documentation, or, like, that’s… you haven’t gotten anything… anything yet?

908 01:19:21.300 ⇒ 01:19:22.409 Henry Zhao: I haven’t gotten anything ever.

909 01:19:22.410 ⇒ 01:19:30.880 Robert Tseng: Okay. Yeah, then they also want to do a two-day onsite, because they think it’s very complicated, and they want us to meet with their solutions architect in Wisconsin, and I’m like…

910 01:19:31.250 ⇒ 01:19:38.419 Robert Tseng: what the heck? So, okay, anyway, so I think this is, like, you know, probably a bigger thing than I thought it would be.

911 01:19:39.670 ⇒ 01:19:40.220 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

912 01:19:40.220 ⇒ 01:19:48.449 Henry Zhao: Yeah, Pete gave me a heads up on that, but I didn’t know how big it would be. Yesterday, when we talked, he said it would just be like signing the MNDA and making sure we don’t share it. He didn’t mention the onsite, but yeah.

913 01:19:48.450 ⇒ 01:19:48.770 Robert Tseng: Okay.

914 01:19:49.020 ⇒ 01:19:52.130 Henry Zhao: I did the HIPAA training for this, I thought, like, that was good enough.

915 01:19:53.200 ⇒ 01:19:53.890 Robert Tseng: Okay.

916 01:19:54.410 ⇒ 01:19:58.830 Robert Tseng: And it’s also webhooks, so I’m like, oh, okay, well, anyway.

917 01:19:59.300 ⇒ 01:20:02.779 Robert Tseng: how do you have an API and then also webhooks? I don’t really understand.

918 01:20:02.780 ⇒ 01:20:11.909 Henry Zhao: I would say, though, that Rebecca did say that the most urgent stuff she already has via a Google extension that Josh had built, like an old person that worked at Eden, so…

919 01:20:12.720 ⇒ 01:20:13.380 Robert Tseng: Okay.

920 01:20:13.860 ⇒ 01:20:14.510 Henry Zhao: Yeah.

921 01:20:14.730 ⇒ 01:20:15.300 Robert Tseng: Okay.

922 01:20:17.760 ⇒ 01:20:20.419 Henry Zhao: But yeah, bring it up to the ELT… is Rebecca in those ELT calls?

923 01:20:20.700 ⇒ 01:20:23.690 Robert Tseng: No, but I will tell, tell them, yeah.

924 01:20:26.750 ⇒ 01:20:30.349 Uttam Kumaran: The one other high-priority thing that she wanted was a…

925 01:20:30.350 ⇒ 01:20:35.330 Henry Zhao: account executive dashboard, which basically, they have a goal of $700K revenue for non…

926 01:20:35.510 ⇒ 01:20:43.290 Henry Zhao: telehealth revenue, so as long as they have that, I think they should be happy for now. So, I’ll think about if we can get that, at least, without the webhooks.

927 01:20:43.440 ⇒ 01:20:44.050 Robert Tseng: Okay.

928 01:20:47.330 ⇒ 01:20:47.980 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

929 01:20:48.770 ⇒ 01:21:02.699 Uttam Kumaran: All right, guys, I think, yeah, biggest thing, Robert, we’re gonna… I’m gonna try to get with Matt for Insomnia. We’re pushing things with Birdie pretty well, so… we’ll just try to arrive tomorrow with, like, some conclusions, you know, that I can share in the channel.

930 01:21:03.040 ⇒ 01:21:06.229 Uttam Kumaran: So things are just moving, I think, in the…

931 01:21:07.100 ⇒ 01:21:14.870 Uttam Kumaran: somewhat positive direction. I think by tomorrow, I basically want to get whatever we can to arrive at something for Monday on, like, what changes and things we made, so…

932 01:21:15.270 ⇒ 01:21:17.020 Uttam Kumaran: We’ll put together another deck.

933 01:21:17.660 ⇒ 01:21:18.290 Robert Tseng: Okay.

934 01:21:20.250 ⇒ 01:21:25.390 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. Alright.

935 01:21:25.630 ⇒ 01:21:26.669 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you, guys.

936 01:21:27.920 ⇒ 01:21:28.640 Zoran Selinger: Thank you.

937 01:21:28.640 ⇒ 01:21:29.879 Henry Zhao: Ron, can you meet with me right now?

938 01:21:32.840 ⇒ 01:21:36.489 Zoran Selinger: Did you ask me? Can you mute me right now? Yeah, yes, yes, yes.