Meeting Title: ABC Project Stand-up and Planning Date: 2025-10-30 Meeting participants: Samuel Roberts, Casie Aviles, Mustafa Raja, Rico Rejoso, Uttam Kumaran, Awaish Kumar, Henry Zhao, Zoran Selinger, Robert Tseng, Demilade Agboola, Amber Lin
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1 00:00:24.480 ⇒ 00:00:25.480 Samuel Roberts: Hello.
2 00:00:28.160 ⇒ 00:00:29.000 Casie Aviles: Hey, Sean.
3 00:00:31.860 ⇒ 00:00:33.050 Samuel Roberts: How’s it going today?
4 00:00:35.190 ⇒ 00:00:37.240 Casie Aviles: Yeah, doing good.
5 00:00:38.290 ⇒ 00:00:42.869 Casie Aviles: I was just reading through the… The comments he loves.
6 00:00:43.540 ⇒ 00:00:59.800 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, no, that was good, good… good catch with that. I was… I actually looked at it briefly before I signed off last night, and didn’t figure out where it was, because I didn’t really know how TurboPuffer was working, and I didn’t really have enough time to dig into it. So I’m glad you guys are… I’m glad you did that, added that undefined, or replaced that undefined there.
7 00:01:01.090 ⇒ 00:01:09.229 Samuel Roberts: But, yeah, I was just… as I was testing it, I was realizing it’s, like, kind of a weird order. I don’t know what it defaults to, if they’re equal, you know?
8 00:01:11.220 ⇒ 00:01:17.329 Casie Aviles: Yeah, it doesn’t… doesn’t have, like, yeah, it doesn’t have the timestamp, so I think we should be… we should add that then.
9 00:01:17.330 ⇒ 00:01:20.480 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think that makes sense, because that’s what people are going to be used to.
10 00:01:21.360 ⇒ 00:01:22.110 Samuel Roberts: the most part.
11 00:01:22.110 ⇒ 00:01:22.620 Mustafa Raja: Yes.
12 00:01:22.620 ⇒ 00:01:26.410 Samuel Roberts: And I think it just makes intuitive sense as well.
13 00:01:27.760 ⇒ 00:01:30.179 Samuel Roberts: Alright, Tom says he’s running 10 behind.
14 00:01:31.240 ⇒ 00:01:36.479 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, that looks… that looks good, and it looked like Linear made that ticket pretty…
15 00:01:37.120 ⇒ 00:01:43.070 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, this new… this new linear workflow is really good.
16 00:01:43.530 ⇒ 00:01:49.289 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I didn’t quite get the estimate. Okay, that’s too bad, but it got it in the description, that’s cool.
17 00:01:50.380 ⇒ 00:01:50.910 Mustafa Raja: Boom.
18 00:01:55.030 ⇒ 00:01:56.320 Samuel Roberts: Cool, yeah.
19 00:01:56.320 ⇒ 00:02:01.270 Mustafa Raja: And the UI within Slack is also good.
20 00:02:02.320 ⇒ 00:02:04.779 Samuel Roberts: Yes, it’s, yeah, definitely better than it was, I think.
21 00:02:05.390 ⇒ 00:02:06.180 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
22 00:02:06.820 ⇒ 00:02:15.810 Mustafa Raja: I think it does recognize us, in linear also. Yeah, because you’re, you’re assigned there and everything, and it got all the discussion…
23 00:02:16.200 ⇒ 00:02:18.660 Samuel Roberts: It just didn’t do the estimate that you said, but…
24 00:02:19.610 ⇒ 00:02:21.570 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I think.
25 00:02:22.870 ⇒ 00:02:25.590 Samuel Roberts: We created a bunch of sub-issues, too. Oh, we don’t need all that.
26 00:02:26.540 ⇒ 00:02:27.200 Mustafa Raja: Oh.
27 00:02:27.570 ⇒ 00:02:31.640 Mustafa Raja: Oh, let’s see that in video mode. I was looking… Yeah.
28 00:02:31.840 ⇒ 00:02:35.930 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, same, I just opened it in linear, and it’s got a bunch of… I mean, I guess…
29 00:02:36.210 ⇒ 00:02:36.920 Samuel Roberts: Some of these may.
30 00:02:36.920 ⇒ 00:02:40.620 Mustafa Raja: These are a lot of self-issues.
31 00:02:40.900 ⇒ 00:02:44.820 Samuel Roberts: Model built and tested in dbt is not relevant, I don’t know where that’s coming from.
32 00:02:45.990 ⇒ 00:02:47.800 Samuel Roberts: I’m just gonna get rid of…
33 00:02:52.210 ⇒ 00:02:53.579 Samuel Roberts: I’ll just get rid of the…
34 00:02:55.090 ⇒ 00:03:03.029 Samuel Roberts: the first four, and just keep the PR review and the merge and deploy for now, and we’ll see how that operates. We might just get rid of all of them, actually. You know what? We know what we’re doing with that.
35 00:03:03.370 ⇒ 00:03:04.140 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah.
36 00:03:05.060 ⇒ 00:03:06.260 Mustafa Raja: Pretty soon.
37 00:03:06.700 ⇒ 00:03:09.169 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, delete.
38 00:03:09.840 ⇒ 00:03:13.209 Samuel Roberts: Okay. That’s interesting it did that. I had no idea.
39 00:03:13.400 ⇒ 00:03:18.769 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so, so I, I sent a message in Slack last night.
40 00:03:19.960 ⇒ 00:03:22.249 Mustafa Raja: Did you guys happen to take a look at that?
41 00:03:24.170 ⇒ 00:03:26.079 Mustafa Raja: But, making some money, too.
42 00:03:26.100 ⇒ 00:03:29.239 Samuel Roberts: Yes, I did see that. We talked about that, I think, too, right?
43 00:03:30.980 ⇒ 00:03:33.440 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did talk about that.
44 00:03:33.440 ⇒ 00:03:34.560 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
45 00:03:36.220 ⇒ 00:03:41.929 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, we didn’t… we didn’t notice it failing, so do we… do we really…
46 00:03:42.610 ⇒ 00:03:45.120 Samuel Roberts: That’s what I’m worried about. I think… I think we need to…
47 00:03:45.670 ⇒ 00:03:54.079 Samuel Roberts: probably, like, it’s good that we have that logic and everything, but I think we need to rethink, like, where it’s going, and how useful it is, and what would be…
48 00:03:54.250 ⇒ 00:03:59.529 Samuel Roberts: You know, if we’re gonna fold it into… This stand-ups flow, maybe.
49 00:04:03.640 ⇒ 00:04:09.139 Casie Aviles: Yeah, we might need to… Rethink some of the parts there, but…
50 00:04:09.480 ⇒ 00:04:13.870 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, and to be honest, that meeting summarizer was also not the…
51 00:04:14.100 ⇒ 00:04:16.079 Samuel Roberts: one I would look at all the time.
52 00:04:16.740 ⇒ 00:04:17.930 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
53 00:04:18.050 ⇒ 00:04:22.490 Samuel Roberts: And so I even, even obviously, like, if we didn’t notice it, but even when it was appearing.
54 00:04:22.610 ⇒ 00:04:26.920 Samuel Roberts: I feel like it wasn’t super… Helpful.
55 00:04:27.960 ⇒ 00:04:30.400 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know, Rico, were you using those at all?
56 00:04:30.400 ⇒ 00:04:30.930 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
57 00:04:33.460 ⇒ 00:04:36.089 Rico Rejoso: I’m sorry, I was doing something, what was that?
58 00:04:36.090 ⇒ 00:04:40.419 Samuel Roberts: You’re good, you’re good. Mustafa had mentioned that the meeting summarizer for Slack
59 00:04:40.690 ⇒ 00:04:44.849 Samuel Roberts: the… that workflow broke when N8N updated something.
60 00:04:45.710 ⇒ 00:04:51.590 Rico Rejoso: Oh, cool. And so it hasn’t been posting, and no one has really said anything, so we weren’t sure if people were even using it.
61 00:04:51.590 ⇒ 00:04:53.320 Samuel Roberts: So I was curious if it…
62 00:04:53.390 ⇒ 00:05:01.350 Rico Rejoso: I mean, we were just… remember before that there was… we were suggesting a different format so it will fit our weekly…
63 00:05:01.350 ⇒ 00:05:04.539 Samuel Roberts: Exactly, yeah, so I think, I think that’s fine then, yeah. Okay.
64 00:05:04.540 ⇒ 00:05:06.880 Rico Rejoso: Since then, we haven’t used it yet.
65 00:05:07.360 ⇒ 00:05:08.459 Samuel Roberts: Perfect, okay.
66 00:05:11.390 ⇒ 00:05:17.609 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think we may just want to take that and fold that into the stand-up work that we’re talking about with the PRD.
67 00:05:19.400 ⇒ 00:05:28.330 Samuel Roberts: So, like, there still will be a summary, there still will be some kind of, like, you know, list of action items, or follow-ups, or whatever.
68 00:05:29.160 ⇒ 00:05:29.770 Mustafa Raja: Yay.
69 00:05:31.360 ⇒ 00:05:34.870 Samuel Roberts: But I don’t think we need that flow exactly as it is.
70 00:05:36.370 ⇒ 00:05:37.230 Samuel Roberts: But yeah.
71 00:05:38.900 ⇒ 00:05:43.470 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I just need to assess if we want these,
72 00:05:43.640 ⇒ 00:05:46.580 Mustafa Raja: 10 system prompts and land views on that.
73 00:05:47.120 ⇒ 00:05:50.079 Samuel Roberts: I would… I would… there’s 10 of them in there?
74 00:05:50.350 ⇒ 00:05:56.769 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, this one workflow has, like, 10… 10 AI, nodes.
75 00:05:57.360 ⇒ 00:06:02.189 Samuel Roberts: Wow, okay, yeah, no, I won’t… I would say do not worry about those for now.
76 00:06:02.380 ⇒ 00:06:02.840 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
77 00:06:02.840 ⇒ 00:06:05.320 Samuel Roberts: In Langviews, certainly.
78 00:06:10.580 ⇒ 00:06:14.460 Samuel Roberts: Oh, yeah, short summarize, I’m looking at it now. Meeting score…
79 00:06:14.460 ⇒ 00:06:18.710 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, only the top one. The bottom ones are working good, and those are needed also.
80 00:06:18.710 ⇒ 00:06:22.660 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, okay, I’m looking at the top, what’s down there? Meeting renamer…
81 00:06:22.850 ⇒ 00:06:25.020 Samuel Roberts: Summary generator… okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
82 00:06:25.670 ⇒ 00:06:29.800 Mustafa Raja: Those are good, this is the top one that has a lot of AI nodes and all.
83 00:06:29.800 ⇒ 00:06:31.220 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I see that.
84 00:06:37.780 ⇒ 00:06:38.920 Samuel Roberts: Interesting.
85 00:06:42.630 ⇒ 00:06:43.520 Samuel Roberts: Alright.
86 00:06:44.250 ⇒ 00:06:47.179 Samuel Roberts: Oh, no, I’ll have my coffee downstairs again.
87 00:06:47.640 ⇒ 00:06:48.530 Samuel Roberts: Doing that.
88 00:06:54.080 ⇒ 00:06:55.819 Samuel Roberts: Or, like,
89 00:07:12.610 ⇒ 00:07:13.580 Samuel Roberts: Right.
90 00:07:19.450 ⇒ 00:07:23.439 Samuel Roberts: Thanks while we’re waiting for Utam, anything else we want to discuss?
91 00:07:24.370 ⇒ 00:07:28.600 Casie Aviles: I think, probably our deliverable for Friday.
92 00:07:28.600 ⇒ 00:07:28.990 Mustafa Raja: Brilliant.
93 00:07:29.420 ⇒ 00:07:34.739 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah, we can dig into that a little. I definitely want, like, his feedback on that, but,
94 00:07:35.320 ⇒ 00:07:36.149 Samuel Roberts: What do you, what do you…
95 00:07:36.150 ⇒ 00:07:36.540 Casie Aviles: True, yeah.
96 00:07:36.540 ⇒ 00:07:39.020 Samuel Roberts: Any other thoughts about it before we get that?
97 00:07:42.860 ⇒ 00:07:46.790 Casie Aviles: I think… I think it’s good that we have, like, the…
98 00:07:47.600 ⇒ 00:07:53.250 Casie Aviles: magic patterns thing. I’m just kind of thinking about what, like,
99 00:07:53.370 ⇒ 00:07:56.420 Casie Aviles: What can we do until Friday, I guess?
100 00:07:56.420 ⇒ 00:07:57.130 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
101 00:07:58.740 ⇒ 00:08:08.250 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I would say we definitely want to… and this is the best way, I think, to try to think about these things moving forward, is, like.
102 00:08:08.430 ⇒ 00:08:12.660 Samuel Roberts: Full features end-to-end, right?
103 00:08:13.360 ⇒ 00:08:14.380 Samuel Roberts: So…
104 00:08:15.450 ⇒ 00:08:21.479 Samuel Roberts: instead of… I think I kind of described this the other day. Instead of, like, half-doing the whole thing and getting, like.
105 00:08:21.720 ⇒ 00:08:25.670 Samuel Roberts: All the back end set up, but none of the front end set up, or vice versa.
106 00:08:25.820 ⇒ 00:08:30.770 Samuel Roberts: Let’s just focus on, like, a few of those quadrants, maybe, and getting all of those things
107 00:08:31.000 ⇒ 00:08:43.849 Samuel Roberts: like, the entire stack built for a few pieces. That way, by the end of a cycle, we’ll have something useful that’s in… it’s not complete yet, it’s not the full thing.
108 00:08:44.650 ⇒ 00:08:45.750 Samuel Roberts: But at least it’s not…
109 00:08:46.180 ⇒ 00:09:04.229 Samuel Roberts: Exactly, exactly. And so I think that’s a good way to try to think about these things moving forward, is that rather than slicing things, you know, if you picture, like, a project with, like, all the different stacks of where things have to work, rather than stacking… slicing things along, like, okay, all the back-end work is gonna get done, all the front-end work, all the testing, whatever.
110 00:09:04.690 ⇒ 00:09:16.679 Samuel Roberts: try to think of it in, like, vertical slices of, like, what is a functional piece we can do in this time period? So I think… I’m trying to get… I have magic patterns up, but it’s the wrong page, so let me get the other one up.
111 00:09:22.250 ⇒ 00:09:28.589 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think we probably want to think of at least a few of these pieces, and that’s where I think we can discuss, like, what is…
112 00:09:29.250 ⇒ 00:09:32.820 Samuel Roberts: what is good here. So I would say we have the…
113 00:09:36.510 ⇒ 00:09:42.639 Samuel Roberts: we have the transcripts, we have… I think that… I mean, we talked about this yesterday, the pre-meeting stuff, I think, is the biggest thing.
114 00:09:42.920 ⇒ 00:09:49.089 Samuel Roberts: So, even if… is less polished than this on the front end. I think showing, kind of.
115 00:09:49.290 ⇒ 00:09:58.579 Samuel Roberts: what was discussed yesterday, what was… what’s been discussed on Slack, like, all that stuff, and summarizing that is probably the feature to get out by Friday to focus on.
116 00:10:00.360 ⇒ 00:10:01.040 Mustafa Raja: Yep.
117 00:10:02.650 ⇒ 00:10:09.209 Samuel Roberts: And I think that’s doable in the next… you know, to Estea’s,
118 00:10:09.670 ⇒ 00:10:12.509 Samuel Roberts: at least a, you know, V0, V1 kind of thing.
119 00:10:15.090 ⇒ 00:10:19.769 Samuel Roberts: How exactly we do that is maybe something we need to think through a little bit more today, but…
120 00:10:20.280 ⇒ 00:10:20.780 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
121 00:10:20.780 ⇒ 00:10:23.090 Samuel Roberts: I think a little more planning can go a long way.
122 00:10:23.280 ⇒ 00:10:26.960 Samuel Roberts: Especially, have you seen the new, like, cursor agent UI?
123 00:10:28.150 ⇒ 00:10:29.110 Samuel Roberts: The plan was…
124 00:10:29.110 ⇒ 00:10:30.220 Casie Aviles: the latest update?
125 00:10:30.410 ⇒ 00:10:31.340 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
126 00:10:32.930 ⇒ 00:10:38.979 Samuel Roberts: Where it, like… Has a whole other interface that’s just, like, the agent chat.
127 00:10:40.550 ⇒ 00:10:46.260 Mustafa Raja: Oh, no, I didn’t see that. I thought you were talking about plans.
128 00:10:47.630 ⇒ 00:11:03.759 Samuel Roberts: Plans is good, too. I’ve been using that as well, instead of Agent, because I had a couple, like, custom commands built that I found for doing that. I’m glad they finally added that. That one’s good. I’ve really been enjoying using that. But this is, like… here, let me share it real quick. Yeah.
129 00:11:06.900 ⇒ 00:11:13.519 Samuel Roberts: So this is, like, this kind of interface. So, like, instead of… well, I guess you can’t see everything here, but…
130 00:11:13.770 ⇒ 00:11:17.159 Samuel Roberts: instead of it being the editor.
131 00:11:18.000 ⇒ 00:11:23.869 Samuel Roberts: I would be, like… I can see what I rent. So this is me playing with the Turbo Popper stuff last night.
132 00:11:23.980 ⇒ 00:11:28.969 Samuel Roberts: Let me… here, let me… let me go back to something else here, right?
133 00:11:30.770 ⇒ 00:11:35.309 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know what else I have running here, because I had to create a new reboot because I broke mine earlier, but…
134 00:11:35.700 ⇒ 00:11:36.110 Mustafa Raja: Oh.
135 00:11:36.110 ⇒ 00:11:41.479 Samuel Roberts: Like, yeah, something happened with my Git, and it got out of sync, and I was just like, forget about it.
136 00:11:43.550 ⇒ 00:11:44.399 Samuel Roberts: Here, let me, let me.
137 00:11:45.360 ⇒ 00:11:49.999 Mustafa Raja: Daxter or something, maybe Daxter will be… That’s very good.
138 00:11:50.600 ⇒ 00:11:51.990 Samuel Roberts: Say that again? Daxter did what?
139 00:11:51.990 ⇒ 00:11:53.239 Mustafa Raja: the extra repo.
140 00:11:54.520 ⇒ 00:11:56.630 Samuel Roberts: Is there something there you want to do? What do you mean?
141 00:11:56.780 ⇒ 00:12:03.050 Mustafa Raja: No, no, no, I mean, that would be, you know, we can test it out there, or something.
142 00:12:03.050 ⇒ 00:12:05.439 Samuel Roberts: Oh, sure, I was just gonna do it on the platform here, because I had it up.
143 00:12:05.440 ⇒ 00:12:06.359 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah, yeah.
144 00:12:06.490 ⇒ 00:12:11.910 Samuel Roberts: So, like, instead… so this is, you know, the standard cursor interface. Instead of having just this thing on the side.
145 00:12:13.680 ⇒ 00:12:18.139 Samuel Roberts: If you hit, actually, I thought there was a way to switch it, but,
146 00:12:18.250 ⇒ 00:12:20.960 Samuel Roberts: I just hit Command-E, and it brings up this.
147 00:12:21.070 ⇒ 00:12:26.050 Samuel Roberts: And so now, like, here’s where I was writing that script for Heroku and stuff.
148 00:12:26.530 ⇒ 00:12:31.720 Samuel Roberts: So now if I want a new agent, and I want to say, you know, say once we have… actually, let me…
149 00:12:33.960 ⇒ 00:12:37.910 Samuel Roberts: Let me make sure I got this up to date here. This was me, I trash all this.
150 00:12:39.710 ⇒ 00:12:41.710 Samuel Roberts: Let me get this one out.
151 00:12:43.950 ⇒ 00:12:54.230 Samuel Roberts: So now, I’m on this branch, I can say, we’ve… Updated…
152 00:12:54.400 ⇒ 00:12:58.779 Samuel Roberts: term… like, I’m gonna say that, for example, obviously we haven’t done it yet, but…
153 00:12:59.040 ⇒ 00:13:05.800 Samuel Roberts: Do you use a, created… At field, and then,
154 00:13:06.370 ⇒ 00:13:11.100 Samuel Roberts: To be able to sort the meetings.
155 00:13:11.420 ⇒ 00:13:17.849 Samuel Roberts: You update… the default source. And now, instead of it being, like.
156 00:13:17.950 ⇒ 00:13:20.310 Samuel Roberts: Just a little side thing, it’s all over here.
157 00:13:21.570 ⇒ 00:13:26.330 Samuel Roberts: Which I kind of like to bounce back. Like, you can still bounce back really easily.
158 00:13:27.510 ⇒ 00:13:30.930 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, this interface and this interface means… Good.
159 00:13:30.930 ⇒ 00:13:35.579 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, and I haven’t used this browser yet, either. I’m really curious to try that out. That’s the new thing that…
160 00:13:35.580 ⇒ 00:13:37.170 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
161 00:13:37.400 ⇒ 00:13:39.050 Mustafa Raja: I don’t think so.
162 00:13:39.680 ⇒ 00:13:43.539 Mustafa Raja: I guess the, debugging the front end
163 00:13:43.660 ⇒ 00:13:46.110 Mustafa Raja: Is where this would shine, right?
164 00:13:46.110 ⇒ 00:13:49.539 Samuel Roberts: Exactly, yeah, like, I’m really excited to try that out when we have something new.
165 00:13:49.840 ⇒ 00:13:51.690 Samuel Roberts: Like, I don’t think I have anything running.
166 00:13:53.260 ⇒ 00:13:56.739 Samuel Roberts: Is it good? No, it’s not there. Okay, hold on, let me just grab this.
167 00:13:58.290 ⇒ 00:13:59.929 Samuel Roberts: I killed it, that’s why.
168 00:14:05.210 ⇒ 00:14:09.600 Samuel Roberts: So I’m still thinking, but I don’t know, you know, this is just an example, I probably wouldn’t have done it this way anyway, but…
169 00:14:11.770 ⇒ 00:14:14.099 Samuel Roberts: Probably got an off in here now, don’t I, too?
170 00:14:17.150 ⇒ 00:14:20.159 Samuel Roberts: Anyway, yeah, okay. Four issues.
171 00:14:21.980 ⇒ 00:14:26.519 Samuel Roberts: Oh my gosh, I never see the login page when I’m… oh, post hoc doing stuff, okay.
172 00:14:27.240 ⇒ 00:14:28.129 Samuel Roberts: That’s fine.
173 00:14:28.930 ⇒ 00:14:30.370 Samuel Roberts: It’s still post hoc, too.
174 00:14:32.030 ⇒ 00:14:34.340 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, it’s gotta be a post-hoc thing, okay.
175 00:14:36.090 ⇒ 00:14:39.299 Samuel Roberts: There it is, created that field currently in the… yep, there it is, so it’s doing it.
176 00:14:40.110 ⇒ 00:14:44.829 Samuel Roberts: And I think I saw something that maybe I haven’t updated to even the newer one yet.
177 00:14:47.870 ⇒ 00:14:52.750 Samuel Roberts: I saw something about being able to run… like, I could create a new agent while that’s running and do something else.
178 00:14:54.740 ⇒ 00:14:58.520 Samuel Roberts: And you can run multiple… you can also use git work trees, apparently.
179 00:14:59.210 ⇒ 00:15:05.349 Samuel Roberts: I have not used Git work trees a ton, but I think it basically allows you to have, like.
180 00:15:05.510 ⇒ 00:15:07.590 Samuel Roberts: Two versions of the code.
181 00:15:07.950 ⇒ 00:15:08.800 Mustafa Raja: Oh.
182 00:15:08.800 ⇒ 00:15:12.880 Samuel Roberts: And so this could let you run an agent on one thing, run an agent on another thing.
183 00:15:13.400 ⇒ 00:15:15.859 Mustafa Raja: And then you can decide which ones…
184 00:15:15.860 ⇒ 00:15:16.520 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
185 00:15:16.520 ⇒ 00:15:17.570 Mustafa Raja: Apple Plus…
186 00:15:17.570 ⇒ 00:15:22.420 Samuel Roberts: There’s also this new model that they’ve built. This is a cursor-built model.
187 00:15:23.940 ⇒ 00:15:31.590 Samuel Roberts: I haven’t really tested out the differences here, but…
188 00:15:31.920 ⇒ 00:15:34.029 Samuel Roberts: I think it’s supposed to be very fast.
189 00:15:34.910 ⇒ 00:15:35.980 Mustafa Raja: So I don’t know.
190 00:15:35.980 ⇒ 00:15:39.050 Samuel Roberts: I haven’t really… yeah, so they did something here.
191 00:15:39.670 ⇒ 00:15:41.409 Samuel Roberts: Did that, did that…
192 00:15:42.090 ⇒ 00:15:47.809 Samuel Roberts: And so you can see them here, instead of having to be in the editor. But yeah, I just thought it was kind of a nice little…
193 00:15:48.690 ⇒ 00:15:50.920 Samuel Roberts: Change of focus, you know?
194 00:15:51.450 ⇒ 00:15:52.190 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
195 00:15:54.260 ⇒ 00:15:57.409 Samuel Roberts: Kind of like, yeah, so I did it here, did it here, yeah, so that’s, you know…
196 00:16:00.110 ⇒ 00:16:09.189 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I guess I can even push this until we get the… but I’ll save it for now. But yeah, it’s kind of cool. I think the work trees I haven’t really tested out yet, so I don’t know.
197 00:16:10.110 ⇒ 00:16:15.370 Samuel Roberts: How that will handle things, but the fact that you can just run multiple agents really easily is kind of nice.
198 00:16:15.620 ⇒ 00:16:16.360 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
199 00:16:16.360 ⇒ 00:16:19.759 Samuel Roberts: And then, yeah, I don’t know how this really works, so…
200 00:16:19.940 ⇒ 00:16:22.310 Samuel Roberts: I should do a little research into that, maybe.
201 00:16:23.870 ⇒ 00:16:26.779 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, I’ve been playing with that a little bit, so give that a… give that a.
202 00:16:26.780 ⇒ 00:16:27.450 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I wasn’t.
203 00:16:27.450 ⇒ 00:16:28.050 Samuel Roberts: Larry.
204 00:16:28.740 ⇒ 00:16:31.719 Mustafa Raja: I didn’t know about, about this, this.
205 00:16:31.720 ⇒ 00:16:41.440 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I forget how I stumbled on it, before I even heard about it. I think I just clicked something… yeah, I think I clicked this button without realizing it, and it opened something up, and I was just…
206 00:16:41.690 ⇒ 00:16:46.730 Samuel Roberts: I’m like, whoa, what is going on? It just says focus.
207 00:16:47.540 ⇒ 00:16:50.909 Samuel Roberts: focus agent window, and I had no idea it was even there.
208 00:16:53.080 ⇒ 00:16:57.599 Samuel Roberts: Am I even on the latest version? I feel like there’s probably a newer one even now.
209 00:16:58.870 ⇒ 00:17:03.109 Samuel Roberts: Oh, restart to update, I’m gonna restart cursor right now.
210 00:17:03.420 ⇒ 00:17:04.810 Samuel Roberts: See if I get more.
211 00:17:05.310 ⇒ 00:17:08.489 Samuel Roberts: Because I thought I saw that you could run multiple…
212 00:17:08.490 ⇒ 00:17:13.030 Mustafa Raja: I’m just updating, because I… I didn’t have that.
213 00:17:14.069 ⇒ 00:17:18.979 Samuel Roberts: Oh, really? Yeah. See, I feel like I leave it open too much, and it’s gotta update, and I just leave it running, and…
214 00:17:26.639 ⇒ 00:17:27.859 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, okay.
215 00:17:31.249 ⇒ 00:17:34.209 Samuel Roberts: Cursor 2.0 is here, yeah, multi-agent interface.
216 00:17:36.469 ⇒ 00:17:38.149 Samuel Roberts: Get started with 2.0.
217 00:17:39.199 ⇒ 00:17:42.629 Samuel Roberts: Oh, nice. Oh, there’s the work trees. Cloud, okay.
218 00:17:45.069 ⇒ 00:17:50.719 Samuel Roberts: Multiple agents running, traffic center stage. Parallel agents, that’s what’s cool here.
219 00:17:51.149 ⇒ 00:17:52.609 Samuel Roberts: That’s what I want to see.
220 00:17:52.770 ⇒ 00:17:55.560 Mustafa Raja: How do you open the window again, please?
221 00:17:55.560 ⇒ 00:18:01.260 Samuel Roberts: I hit Command-E to open it, but I see there’s something at the top that lets you switch between editor and agents.
222 00:18:03.160 ⇒ 00:18:04.160 Mustafa Raja: Nearly.
223 00:18:04.690 ⇒ 00:18:08.990 Samuel Roberts: So now, now I just ran it, and so I just got a little Cursor 2.0 thing.
224 00:18:09.450 ⇒ 00:18:15.850 Samuel Roberts: And so now I have this little button up here, That lets me switch.
225 00:18:19.400 ⇒ 00:18:22.049 Samuel Roberts: And then you can have multiple agents running.
226 00:18:22.050 ⇒ 00:18:22.630 Mustafa Raja: and…
227 00:18:23.340 ⇒ 00:18:24.960 Samuel Roberts: That’s cool.
228 00:18:28.030 ⇒ 00:18:29.620 Mustafa Raja: Oh, that’s really neat.
229 00:18:34.660 ⇒ 00:18:36.549 Samuel Roberts: Oh, I’m so excited to play with that.
230 00:18:42.570 ⇒ 00:18:48.460 Samuel Roberts: That’s pretty cool. And the plan… yeah, see, these are the ones I created that I can probably get rid of now, because we’ve got planned here.
231 00:18:51.950 ⇒ 00:18:53.130 Samuel Roberts: Sweet.
232 00:18:56.420 ⇒ 00:18:59.989 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, it looks like they moved it over there… alright, cool.
233 00:18:59.990 ⇒ 00:19:00.790 Mustafa Raja: I am.
234 00:19:00.940 ⇒ 00:19:04.249 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I just saw that. The top left has the…
235 00:19:04.250 ⇒ 00:19:05.150 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
236 00:19:05.560 ⇒ 00:19:07.419 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that’ll be fun to play with.
237 00:19:12.450 ⇒ 00:19:16.519 Mustafa Raja: Do they like the light theme or something?
238 00:19:17.330 ⇒ 00:19:19.520 Samuel Roberts: Oh, I… yeah, so I’ve always been…
239 00:19:19.680 ⇒ 00:19:24.409 Samuel Roberts: I forget when I first did that, but I switched over to Lite, and I just haven’t really gone back for a long time.
240 00:19:24.670 ⇒ 00:19:25.620 Mustafa Raja: Hmm…
241 00:19:26.320 ⇒ 00:19:29.070 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, it’s always weird when you see someone else’s machine, isn’t it?
242 00:19:30.860 ⇒ 00:19:34.920 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’ve always been a dark person, so when I see, like.
243 00:19:35.290 ⇒ 00:19:38.960 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think what happened was I was working outdoors one time.
244 00:19:40.030 ⇒ 00:19:42.889 Samuel Roberts: And I couldn’t see anything on my screen in dark mode.
245 00:19:44.620 ⇒ 00:19:49.889 Samuel Roberts: And so I flipped it over, and I’ve been… I’ve been like that since… probably years ago, even.
246 00:19:50.540 ⇒ 00:19:51.010 Mustafa Raja: Oh.
247 00:19:51.010 ⇒ 00:19:52.160 Samuel Roberts: But, yeah.
248 00:19:54.290 ⇒ 00:19:57.870 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know, I should probably give Dark Mode a try, but I don’t tend to…
249 00:19:59.040 ⇒ 00:20:00.639 Samuel Roberts: Can’t think of that, but…
250 00:20:01.120 ⇒ 00:20:02.439 Mustafa Raja: Alright, well, I guess…
251 00:20:03.070 ⇒ 00:20:15.200 Samuel Roberts: Tom’s still not here… Let’s just dig in a little bit to… talking about the PRD,
252 00:20:21.100 ⇒ 00:20:28.779 Samuel Roberts: Oh, Casey’s away, just… Okay, well…
253 00:20:30.200 ⇒ 00:20:35.269 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know how this works with word trees. Okay, I would say…
254 00:20:36.960 ⇒ 00:20:42.589 Samuel Roberts: We need to think through, like, how we’re gonna pull those meetings… so, for this interface, we’re gonna have a page…
255 00:20:43.390 ⇒ 00:20:48.350 Samuel Roberts: AI tool, stand-up assistant, Okay.
256 00:20:48.480 ⇒ 00:21:00.769 Samuel Roberts: Probably need to spend a little time… Walking through this PRD again.
257 00:21:07.890 ⇒ 00:21:10.849 Mustafa Raja: So we’ll be focusing on pre-meeting thing.
258 00:21:11.860 ⇒ 00:21:12.370 Mustafa Raja: Full…
259 00:21:12.370 ⇒ 00:21:15.229 Samuel Roberts: I believe that’s… I think that’s the best thing to get done by Friday, yeah.
260 00:21:25.950 ⇒ 00:21:29.280 Samuel Roberts: Brilliant, yeah.
261 00:21:31.500 ⇒ 00:21:39.950 Samuel Roberts: I think the… The best thing to do, talking through this.
262 00:21:40.280 ⇒ 00:21:44.690 Samuel Roberts: Is, yeah, let’s think about it from, like, a master agent perspective, right?
263 00:21:45.840 ⇒ 00:21:46.770 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
264 00:21:46.770 ⇒ 00:21:49.179 Samuel Roberts: So, actually, let me get the…
265 00:21:50.460 ⇒ 00:21:52.840 Samuel Roberts: No, that’s not what I want. I wanted the…
266 00:21:54.430 ⇒ 00:21:57.760 Samuel Roberts: So I was getting Figma going up over here.
267 00:22:02.920 ⇒ 00:22:10.229 Samuel Roberts: Alright, so… So think about this a little bit. We have the…
268 00:22:11.040 ⇒ 00:22:16.389 Samuel Roberts: transcript from the last meeting. We have the Slack conversations we can query, right?
269 00:22:17.800 ⇒ 00:22:19.769 Samuel Roberts: From a given time period, I guess.
270 00:22:20.080 ⇒ 00:22:26.020 Samuel Roberts: Because we don’t need to necessarily search for vectors there, right?
271 00:22:26.480 ⇒ 00:22:27.170 Mustafa Raja: Hmm.
272 00:22:27.830 ⇒ 00:22:30.770 Samuel Roberts: And then linear, we can pull tickets.
273 00:22:30.990 ⇒ 00:22:32.400 Samuel Roberts: In the cycle.
274 00:22:33.460 ⇒ 00:22:40.959 Samuel Roberts: The weekly goals becomes a little bit of a question, because I don’t know where… how… how…
275 00:22:41.770 ⇒ 00:22:43.600 Samuel Roberts: Persistent to make that.
276 00:22:47.270 ⇒ 00:22:49.060 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
277 00:22:49.720 ⇒ 00:22:56.730 Samuel Roberts: Like, do we need to store that in Supabase? Do we just want to keep that as a running thing that, like, updates? Does it need to be logged, you know?
278 00:22:57.150 ⇒ 00:23:00.260 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking, how do we get them in, right?
279 00:23:00.720 ⇒ 00:23:05.869 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so I think, for now, for V0, I might… here, let me, let me…
280 00:23:06.820 ⇒ 00:23:13.060 Samuel Roberts: Sharing my linear… my, figma here. I’m thinking… Can I, like…
281 00:23:14.330 ⇒ 00:23:18.409 Samuel Roberts: I have no idea. Lion style, light gray, transparent.
282 00:23:18.410 ⇒ 00:23:19.740 Casie Aviles: You guys, I’m about. Sorry.
283 00:23:19.990 ⇒ 00:23:30.480 Samuel Roberts: Okay, no, no worries, we were just… I started talking about the PRD stuff, because I just figured we’re still waiting on new time. We went through a bunch of the cool cursor stuff. Were you here for any of that? I didn’t realize you were gone until I saw the…
284 00:23:30.860 ⇒ 00:23:33.320 Casie Aviles: I did see some of it, yeah.
285 00:23:33.320 ⇒ 00:23:39.010 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, if you haven’t updated cursor in a while, it’s well worth updating, because I have a whole new thing, so…
286 00:23:39.010 ⇒ 00:23:39.760 Casie Aviles: Okay, cool.
287 00:23:39.760 ⇒ 00:23:42.120 Samuel Roberts: New, model that they built, too.
288 00:23:43.570 ⇒ 00:23:50.450 Samuel Roberts: Oh, it helps. Yeah, what I was saying was that I think for… for getting this started,
289 00:23:51.270 ⇒ 00:23:55.010 Samuel Roberts: The big… like, this is all pretty easy to get.
290 00:23:55.330 ⇒ 00:23:56.180 Samuel Roberts: Right.
291 00:23:58.060 ⇒ 00:24:01.300 Casie Aviles: Yeah, for last stand-up, yes, we can get that.
292 00:24:01.420 ⇒ 00:24:07.429 Casie Aviles: Slack conversations… yeah, we should be able to get that as well. We already have an export.
293 00:24:07.830 ⇒ 00:24:10.569 Casie Aviles: Right, so I think Oh, yeah.
294 00:24:10.570 ⇒ 00:24:13.670 Samuel Roberts: one question I have is, so all this can get, you know, when you press…
295 00:24:14.940 ⇒ 00:24:17.479 Samuel Roberts: You know, you come here, you press this button.
296 00:24:18.170 ⇒ 00:24:24.590 Samuel Roberts: We can have that trigger, you know, we can build a master agent that… or, you know, have some tools that pull these and feed them into a thing.
297 00:24:25.670 ⇒ 00:24:33.600 Samuel Roberts: For, like, very initial. The question becomes these weekly goals. Do we need to store these somewhere, and how persistent do we need to make them?
298 00:24:35.140 ⇒ 00:24:41.459 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I think what Uten mentioned was he was just have… he had it in, like, a spreadsheet.
299 00:24:41.860 ⇒ 00:24:47.330 Casie Aviles: But I’m not sure if that’s, like, the best… Place to store that.
300 00:24:47.330 ⇒ 00:24:54.170 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think we’re gonna want to keep it somewhere for this purpose, so that we can be displaying them here. I think…
301 00:24:54.380 ⇒ 00:24:58.990 Samuel Roberts: We need to figure out… Do we need to track these over time?
302 00:25:00.170 ⇒ 00:25:04.790 Samuel Roberts: Do we need to just have a current thing that’s, like, weekly goals per client?
303 00:25:05.320 ⇒ 00:25:06.990 Samuel Roberts: On the table or something?
304 00:25:07.890 ⇒ 00:25:12.080 Samuel Roberts: Or, the other thought is.
305 00:25:12.410 ⇒ 00:25:15.730 Samuel Roberts: For very initial, is just make it so that
306 00:25:16.780 ⇒ 00:25:20.319 Samuel Roberts: Alright, man, I wanted to make this less… Even less.
307 00:25:20.320 ⇒ 00:25:21.700 Mustafa Raja: Can we try to.
308 00:25:22.980 ⇒ 00:25:23.719 Samuel Roberts: I’m sorry?
309 00:25:24.400 ⇒ 00:25:26.830 Mustafa Raja: Can we strike through the next weekend?
310 00:25:27.130 ⇒ 00:25:32.460 Samuel Roberts: That’s kind of what I’m thinking. For now, like, let’s just get the very initial thing running of, like.
311 00:25:33.560 ⇒ 00:25:34.580 Samuel Roberts: this…
312 00:25:35.360 ⇒ 00:25:39.630 Mustafa Raja: And then what we could do is maybe, instead of this being, like, a stored thing.
313 00:25:39.630 ⇒ 00:25:45.769 Samuel Roberts: It’s just a little thing that he can have, like, add more context for the weekly goals.
314 00:25:49.930 ⇒ 00:25:50.610 Mustafa Raja: No.
315 00:25:51.450 ⇒ 00:26:02.450 Samuel Roberts: Because, like, I think… and maybe once he gets there, he can explain, like, yeah, I don’t care about it after the week’s over, or no, I want to see them week to week. But until we know that, I don’t know the best way to handle this.
316 00:26:03.880 ⇒ 00:26:10.459 Samuel Roberts: But I think for now, it would just be, like, we have these 3 pieces, we’ll have a prompt that will get built by all that.
317 00:26:11.830 ⇒ 00:26:16.640 Samuel Roberts: And then maybe we just have a separate empty area for weekly goals that can get filled in by, like.
318 00:26:17.460 ⇒ 00:26:22.860 Samuel Roberts: Three things you can list here that are not stored for now, until we know exactly
319 00:26:23.460 ⇒ 00:26:25.150 Samuel Roberts: Which way we want to go with it.
320 00:26:25.740 ⇒ 00:26:26.390 Mustafa Raja: Yep.
321 00:26:27.660 ⇒ 00:26:28.250 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
322 00:26:29.330 ⇒ 00:26:30.230 Samuel Roberts: Does that…
323 00:26:30.980 ⇒ 00:26:36.120 Samuel Roberts: seem like… I mean, that seems very reasonable by Friday. The question then becomes also displaying it all, right?
324 00:26:36.570 ⇒ 00:26:37.240 Mustafa Raja: Huh.
325 00:26:37.980 ⇒ 00:26:41.070 Samuel Roberts: So my thought is to keep it as…
326 00:26:42.050 ⇒ 00:26:46.300 Samuel Roberts: Simple as possible, and of course, I don’t have GitHub up here.
327 00:26:52.300 ⇒ 00:26:59.010 Samuel Roberts: The actual PRD had some, like, ideas, so I would say… In terms of, like.
328 00:26:59.640 ⇒ 00:27:05.700 Samuel Roberts: phases to look at. I wanted to focus on… like…
329 00:27:05.980 ⇒ 00:27:11.540 Samuel Roberts: Pulling these, creating the master agent, Getting the output, right?
330 00:27:12.330 ⇒ 00:27:16.350 Samuel Roberts: Shouldn’t be crazy to do, but it might take a few iterations to get it good.
331 00:27:17.230 ⇒ 00:27:23.840 Samuel Roberts: And so, I don’t necessarily want to worry too much about how…
332 00:27:24.950 ⇒ 00:27:27.620 Samuel Roberts: Structure the output is for, like, displaying.
333 00:27:28.890 ⇒ 00:27:30.660 Samuel Roberts: I keep clicking on the wrong one there.
334 00:27:32.350 ⇒ 00:27:36.710 Samuel Roberts: So, like, even something this simple text like this is probably a good start.
335 00:27:39.180 ⇒ 00:27:39.830 Casie Aviles: Hmm.
336 00:27:40.330 ⇒ 00:27:52.340 Samuel Roberts: So, like, if it comes out that it’s just, like, what did you discuss yesterday? Okay, yesterday, this person had these… like, this is obviously, like, a simple view for, like, key… like, just a UI thing, but I think just, like, I don’t want to have to…
337 00:27:52.530 ⇒ 00:27:53.290 Samuel Roberts: for…
338 00:27:53.800 ⇒ 00:28:02.700 Samuel Roberts: step one of V1, I want to just take… get these inputs working, get a prompt working, get an output working, right?
339 00:28:04.190 ⇒ 00:28:07.319 Samuel Roberts: Step 2, I think, would then be, let’s pretty it up.
340 00:28:09.320 ⇒ 00:28:11.780 Samuel Roberts: But this is, again, trying to think of it in the most, like.
341 00:28:11.900 ⇒ 00:28:15.100 Samuel Roberts: If we hit Friday and it’s not pretty, is it still usable?
342 00:28:17.310 ⇒ 00:28:18.440 Samuel Roberts: Probably.
343 00:28:20.690 ⇒ 00:28:26.859 Casie Aviles: I think Aslamas… The stuff is here and visible.
344 00:28:27.080 ⇒ 00:28:28.090 Casie Aviles: Exactly.
345 00:28:28.090 ⇒ 00:28:35.600 Samuel Roberts: And then we can… we can rearrange, we can move things around, we can make these interactable, you know, we can do all that kind of stuff after the fact, once we know.
346 00:28:35.600 ⇒ 00:28:36.380 Casie Aviles: Yes.
347 00:28:36.380 ⇒ 00:28:38.320 Samuel Roberts: The data is in one place for him.
348 00:28:38.660 ⇒ 00:28:40.680 Samuel Roberts: And I think that’s the most important thing.
349 00:28:40.680 ⇒ 00:28:48.169 Mustafa Raja: I just have one question. Sure. So based on this design, how are we triggering, triggering the agent?
350 00:28:49.480 ⇒ 00:28:51.629 Samuel Roberts: I think it would just be this refresh data button.
351 00:28:53.310 ⇒ 00:28:56.199 Mustafa Raja: Okay, so we are just a single state and superbasin, right?
352 00:28:57.100 ⇒ 00:29:02.090 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think we’re gonna have to… keep that…
353 00:29:03.210 ⇒ 00:29:07.039 Samuel Roberts: in Supabase, I’m trying to think, we probably need a new table for that, then.
354 00:29:07.040 ⇒ 00:29:07.480 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, guys.
355 00:29:07.480 ⇒ 00:29:09.139 Samuel Roberts: Which maybe is where we… hey!
356 00:29:09.470 ⇒ 00:29:09.980 Samuel Roberts: How’s it going?
357 00:29:09.980 ⇒ 00:29:10.980 Uttam Kumaran: Sorry, just…
358 00:29:10.980 ⇒ 00:29:11.470 Samuel Roberts: Good, you’re good.
359 00:29:11.470 ⇒ 00:29:12.589 Uttam Kumaran: All went over.
360 00:29:12.980 ⇒ 00:29:13.570 Samuel Roberts: You’re fine.
361 00:29:13.570 ⇒ 00:29:19.789 Uttam Kumaran: I didn’t get a chance to, like, poke at this yesterday, but I’m impressed, guys. I,
362 00:29:19.980 ⇒ 00:29:23.010 Uttam Kumaran: I really appreciate… I guess I would love…
363 00:29:23.360 ⇒ 00:29:26.790 Uttam Kumaran: To start to just hear about, like, what the process was yesterday.
364 00:29:26.890 ⇒ 00:29:31.790 Uttam Kumaran: Like, after our stand-up and, like, kind of, like, what, what you guys, like, centralized on.
365 00:29:32.230 ⇒ 00:29:43.289 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so I think… I mean, I’m happy to talk this through, Mustafa, Casey, feel free to interject, like, we can just kind of tag-team this a little bit, but we basically went into the Figma and just started, like, talking through, like, what.
366 00:29:43.670 ⇒ 00:29:44.380 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
367 00:29:44.380 ⇒ 00:30:00.550 Samuel Roberts: what the different pieces are. And so, like, V1, I was just like, we just need… and you even said it, like, you… even if you just got something sent to you that was just, like, a summary of stuff, like, the pre-meeting stuff seemed most important. So we kind of prioritized that, we knew what our inputs were. Weekly goals, we just crossed out for a reason, I’ll explain, but we were just playing with this.
368 00:30:00.670 ⇒ 00:30:02.960 Samuel Roberts: But basically, like, these are all things we already have.
369 00:30:03.350 ⇒ 00:30:04.790 Samuel Roberts: Building a prompt.
370 00:30:04.950 ⇒ 00:30:23.159 Samuel Roberts: from that, getting an output seems, like, very doable. V2 became how we’re gonna actually use this in a meeting, what’s gonna happen with the post-meeting stuff, how that’s all gonna happen, but, we kind of just roughly threw something out and said, okay, but by Friday, let’s focus on
371 00:30:23.260 ⇒ 00:30:28.119 Samuel Roberts: on this V1, we then… or Casey then took that into
372 00:30:28.350 ⇒ 00:30:40.940 Samuel Roberts: We had kind of talked through a little bit of, like, a visual thing, but hadn’t really diagrammed anything, and he took it to Magic Patterns, and I really like what he came up with. He even remembered the weekly goals, because I think that wasn’t on here initially, and we had to remember to add that.
373 00:30:41.050 ⇒ 00:30:42.320 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, I think…
374 00:30:42.870 ⇒ 00:30:50.079 Samuel Roberts: I think it looks good. I think it seems very achievable. It seems to solve the, kind of, initial problem of centralizing the stuff.
375 00:30:50.260 ⇒ 00:30:55.569 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, we spent a little while. We all watched through a meeting, took some notes, discussed all that.
376 00:30:57.030 ⇒ 00:30:57.710 Uttam Kumaran: Great.
377 00:30:59.120 ⇒ 00:30:59.730 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think…
378 00:30:59.730 ⇒ 00:31:00.450 Uttam Kumaran: That’s great.
379 00:31:01.280 ⇒ 00:31:06.319 Samuel Roberts: So, we were just discussing, like, how best to attack this in terms of getting something on Friday,
380 00:31:06.890 ⇒ 00:31:11.000 Samuel Roberts: And so, there were a couple outstanding questions about how…
381 00:31:11.320 ⇒ 00:31:16.709 Samuel Roberts: this could be used, that I think now that you’re here, we can maybe answer. Okay. So, like.
382 00:31:17.410 ⇒ 00:31:22.990 Samuel Roberts: The reason this was just crossed out was because this is the one thing that is not, like, a source of data already, right?
383 00:31:23.200 ⇒ 00:31:25.069 Samuel Roberts: So this is something that you had in the…
384 00:31:25.180 ⇒ 00:31:33.119 Samuel Roberts: spreadsheet, but now we’re thinking it can just be here. The question becomes, how persistent does this need to be?
385 00:31:33.530 ⇒ 00:31:36.450 Samuel Roberts: Is this something you’re gonna wanna, like.
386 00:31:36.660 ⇒ 00:31:47.450 Samuel Roberts: look back at over time? Is it just going to be every client has currently 3 weekly goals, and those just get wiped and rewritten every week? Like, what are you thinking from a
387 00:31:47.680 ⇒ 00:31:49.659 Samuel Roberts: How would you want to use this perspective?
388 00:31:49.660 ⇒ 00:31:55.830 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I guess, like, my thought is, like, should we come in and, like, create a stand-up object
389 00:31:56.220 ⇒ 00:31:59.289 Uttam Kumaran: Daily, or should a stand-up object get created?
390 00:31:59.890 ⇒ 00:32:03.619 Uttam Kumaran: like… For every stand-up that we do, right?
391 00:32:03.620 ⇒ 00:32:15.000 Samuel Roberts: You know what we were just talking about, like, we’re gonna need a new table anyway, so that’s why I was thinking, like, you know, because, like, very, very basically, we could obviously, like, have a button here that you press and will dump it out on a day. Storing that becomes a thing, keeping track of the weekly.
392 00:32:15.000 ⇒ 00:32:20.739 Uttam Kumaran: Well, it’s like, For example, but, like, everything… there is a higher level, like, sprint object, right?
393 00:32:21.120 ⇒ 00:32:21.530 Samuel Roberts: Sure.
394 00:32:21.530 ⇒ 00:32:25.489 Uttam Kumaran: Sprint object itself is what actually has the weekly goals.
395 00:32:26.740 ⇒ 00:32:27.480 Samuel Roberts: Yes, okay.
396 00:32:27.480 ⇒ 00:32:29.780 Uttam Kumaran: A stand-up is associated with a sprint.
397 00:32:30.050 ⇒ 00:32:34.320 Uttam Kumaran: like, we… I don’t think there’s a single client where we’ve… not…
398 00:32:34.510 ⇒ 00:32:44.839 Uttam Kumaran: done things that way, I don’t see a future where we do things otherwise. So, a stand-up is… there’s all these… there’s all these things… so, everything’s associated with a client.
399 00:32:45.080 ⇒ 00:32:51.040 Uttam Kumaran: every client goes through sprints, the sprints are timeboxed to a week, and then there’s all these activities. There’s the…
400 00:32:51.250 ⇒ 00:33:05.489 Uttam Kumaran: There’s the planning, grooming, stand-ups, and project reviews, right, that are all associated with the sprint. There’s also client meeting that’s associated with the sprint and the client, so that’s, like, sort of the ERD here.
401 00:33:06.010 ⇒ 00:33:07.010 Samuel Roberts: Sure.
402 00:33:07.010 ⇒ 00:33:09.529 Uttam Kumaran: Usually, like, the weekly goals are something that is saved.
403 00:33:10.050 ⇒ 00:33:11.019 Samuel Roberts: to the sprint.
404 00:33:11.020 ⇒ 00:33:12.620 Uttam Kumaran: the sprint object.
405 00:33:12.620 ⇒ 00:33:13.200 Samuel Roberts: Perfect.
406 00:33:13.200 ⇒ 00:33:15.719 Uttam Kumaran: But for now, you could just… it could just be…
407 00:33:15.940 ⇒ 00:33:20.329 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I don’t care even if it’s just, like, free text that we can just erase.
408 00:33:20.530 ⇒ 00:33:22.220 Uttam Kumaran: once a week, As long as it gets safe.
409 00:33:22.220 ⇒ 00:33:37.890 Samuel Roberts: That’s exactly what we were just saying, like, how, like, especially for, like, a V1, getting something out tomorrow, what does that look like? Because I think you’re absolutely right, like, that’s the best way to think about the structure of, like, the sprint and the stand-ups, and, like, persisting this over time, and keeping track of things, and building this out further.
410 00:33:38.070 ⇒ 00:33:46.250 Samuel Roberts: The question becomes, like, by tomorrow, is that something that, like… because really all this is is just going to be more context for the agent that’s going to generate this stuff.
411 00:33:46.420 ⇒ 00:33:50.520 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I guess this is where, like, I guess walk me through what I’m…
412 00:33:50.810 ⇒ 00:33:53.030 Uttam Kumaran: what I’m looking at, do you think…
413 00:33:53.290 ⇒ 00:33:58.780 Uttam Kumaran: can get done, because then, as a client, I can help you make a decision of, like, okay, what would be worthwhile?
414 00:33:58.780 ⇒ 00:34:05.600 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that’s what we were… that’s exactly what I started the call, or started the discussion saying, like, I want to think of it as, like, vertical slivers of.
415 00:34:05.600 ⇒ 00:34:06.010 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
416 00:34:06.010 ⇒ 00:34:12.939 Samuel Roberts: rather than, like, horizontal slices. And so, you know, if not all of this stuff gets, like, interactable and stuff, I’m less worried.
417 00:34:12.949 ⇒ 00:34:15.899 Uttam Kumaran: So I guess, let me, yeah, let me ask, so let me ask a question.
418 00:34:15.900 ⇒ 00:34:16.639 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
419 00:34:17.469 ⇒ 00:34:24.259 Uttam Kumaran: So… This, like, tell me what the source of this is gonna be.
420 00:34:27.909 ⇒ 00:34:29.289 Samuel Roberts: So, go ahead, Casey.
421 00:34:29.290 ⇒ 00:34:29.840 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
422 00:34:30.620 ⇒ 00:34:38.009 Casie Aviles: Yeah, this… for this status update, it will be mainly looking at, linear and…
423 00:34:38.560 ⇒ 00:34:44.860 Casie Aviles: As well as Slack for the past 24 hours, I think that was what we were…
424 00:34:45.190 ⇒ 00:34:51.280 Casie Aviles: What we wanted to look at, and then the agent would basically take that context and create this status update.
425 00:34:54.159 ⇒ 00:34:54.829 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
426 00:34:56.049 ⇒ 00:35:00.109 Uttam Kumaran: And it takes, like, is it just taking… it’s taking just all the linear tickets?
427 00:35:00.950 ⇒ 00:35:04.010 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, we were debating exactly how best to do that, because, like.
428 00:35:04.580 ⇒ 00:35:14.740 Samuel Roberts: Ideally, linear tickets are active, and movement is happening on all the ones that are relevant, but, like, sometimes that doesn’t get updated, and things are in Slack, so we figured we would just take whatever’s in cycle.
429 00:35:14.940 ⇒ 00:35:26.860 Samuel Roberts: And have that as context as well, so that it will know what’s being discussed, the tickets that are relevant to those discussions, and so if something doesn’t get updated in linear, for example, we’ll still know about it from a Slack update, ideally.
430 00:35:26.860 ⇒ 00:35:27.180 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
431 00:35:29.520 ⇒ 00:35:35.970 Samuel Roberts: like, movement on linear tickets, because sometimes that’s not always up-to-date. Yeah, I mean, I feel like if you’re able to get.
432 00:35:36.170 ⇒ 00:35:44.440 Uttam Kumaran: basically, all the Slack messages since yesterday, plus The linear tickets, plus the stand-up?
433 00:35:44.580 ⇒ 00:35:44.990 Samuel Roberts: Yep.
434 00:35:44.990 ⇒ 00:35:48.150 Uttam Kumaran: You can prob- you could probably… form this.
435 00:35:48.150 ⇒ 00:35:53.140 Samuel Roberts: That’s exactly what we were thinking, and honestly, that was kind of the initial, like, If nothing else.
436 00:35:53.640 ⇒ 00:35:54.070 Samuel Roberts: I think that’s.
437 00:35:54.070 ⇒ 00:35:55.269 Uttam Kumaran: What’s actually important to me is, like.
438 00:35:55.270 ⇒ 00:35:55.740 Samuel Roberts: Oh, yeah.
439 00:35:55.740 ⇒ 00:35:58.900 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t always remember what I asked about yesterday, and what…
440 00:35:59.410 ⇒ 00:36:01.640 Uttam Kumaran: Asks or promises, like, were made.
441 00:36:01.640 ⇒ 00:36:02.510 Samuel Roberts: Sure.
442 00:36:02.510 ⇒ 00:36:10.099 Uttam Kumaran: So for me, it’s, like, have… being able to see that, at least seeing, like, what did we talk about yesterday, and therefore.
443 00:36:10.360 ⇒ 00:36:17.650 Uttam Kumaran: there’s, like, another prompt that’s like, given that, and given the activity, what should said PM ask about?
444 00:36:17.950 ⇒ 00:36:18.620 Samuel Roberts: Perfect, yeah.
445 00:36:18.620 ⇒ 00:36:21.260 Uttam Kumaran: that’s important. Like, I actually…
446 00:36:21.660 ⇒ 00:36:24.660 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I love how these look.
447 00:36:24.660 ⇒ 00:36:30.260 Samuel Roberts: But I’m actually more interested, even if it’s just, like, text. That’s exactly what we were saying.
448 00:36:30.260 ⇒ 00:36:37.050 Uttam Kumaran: Even if this is, like, status update text, and, like, what to ask about text, if I can get that, that’s, like, a…
449 00:36:37.230 ⇒ 00:36:40.989 Uttam Kumaran: sixth way to place a star. If I can get that for every client.
450 00:36:41.160 ⇒ 00:36:46.540 Uttam Kumaran: that is a great place to start. At minimum, if I can just get a view of, like, this…
451 00:36:46.670 ⇒ 00:36:55.670 Uttam Kumaran: And then what we talked about yesterday, like, that solves, like, a fair bit of problems. Okay. Because that’s a lot of coordination and copying transcripts that I have to do.
452 00:36:55.670 ⇒ 00:37:06.640 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, perfect. Okay, yeah, that’s how we were just framing it, because I was saying, like, I, you know, like the idea of getting to all this, but I was thinking, you know, and I even pulled up the PRD where, like, some of this stuff was just, like, text, and I’m like, yeah, I think…
453 00:37:06.800 ⇒ 00:37:11.699 Samuel Roberts: If we need to just do something like that as a V0, you know, step 1, V1 kind of thing.
454 00:37:11.800 ⇒ 00:37:18.679 Samuel Roberts: That seems like it’s more helpful than worrying about all the nitty-gritty, you know, UI stuff here.
455 00:37:21.630 ⇒ 00:37:37.330 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, and then I think… I think we’re probably good to run with that. I think the question is just, this might just be for now, for, like, very first step, just, like, text that will maybe persist. I gotta think about it the best way, because, like, is it worth creating those tables now, or just getting something
456 00:37:38.300 ⇒ 00:37:39.620 Samuel Roberts: in the browser.
457 00:37:40.860 ⇒ 00:37:44.480 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t care if it’s in the browser and it persists.
458 00:37:44.760 ⇒ 00:37:47.489 Samuel Roberts: Okay. Because I think, I think if you’re going to be the one doing it.
459 00:37:47.570 ⇒ 00:37:51.610 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna be the one driving, so I don’t care if you should just throw it in cookies, or cash.
460 00:37:51.610 ⇒ 00:38:05.379 Samuel Roberts: That’s exactly… I think that’s the… because that’s the only other context that’s going to change that’s not already transcript Slack or linear. And so, if that’s something that is in your UI for now, and then maybe as the next step, we do a little bit more modeling of, like.
461 00:38:05.380 ⇒ 00:38:10.009 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I don’t care. The other alternative is, like, I have it in a Google Sheet, so I can…
462 00:38:10.310 ⇒ 00:38:11.050 Uttam Kumaran: You could…
463 00:38:11.220 ⇒ 00:38:16.019 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if it’s easy to source from there, you could source from there. If not, then yeah, as long as it just…
464 00:38:16.430 ⇒ 00:38:17.570 Uttam Kumaran: persists.
465 00:38:17.760 ⇒ 00:38:18.240 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
466 00:38:18.240 ⇒ 00:38:22.059 Uttam Kumaran: Definitely, I don’t mind this being just, like, free text and my thing.
467 00:38:22.300 ⇒ 00:38:27.980 Samuel Roberts: Okay, I think that’s probably the best to, like, just get something, and then we can improve on,
468 00:38:28.570 ⇒ 00:38:33.649 Samuel Roberts: Because, like, I don’t wanna… I don’t wanna waste time, like, getting all this stored and stuff if, like, we’re not actually gonna get to…
469 00:38:33.650 ⇒ 00:38:43.609 Uttam Kumaran: So, yeah, I guess, I guess walk me through, like, what is, like, what are the… what are the bigger… what big things that… big architecture moves that have to be made to enable.
470 00:38:43.890 ⇒ 00:38:47.839 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that’s kind of what we were just… we were just sort of discussing a little bit,
471 00:38:48.050 ⇒ 00:38:54.930 Samuel Roberts: So we need to be able to source all of these, which pretty much we have the ability to do. I don’t know, do we have anything that pulls linear tickets yet?
472 00:38:54.930 ⇒ 00:38:55.760 Mustafa Raja: Yes.
473 00:38:56.150 ⇒ 00:38:56.870 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
474 00:38:57.010 ⇒ 00:39:03.520 Samuel Roberts: Because these ones are already… this is already seen, Superbase, this is obviously in Superbase, so then pulling those… the thought is…
475 00:39:03.860 ⇒ 00:39:08.800 Samuel Roberts: to just trigger this on a button press for now, rather than, like, a schedule.
476 00:39:09.410 ⇒ 00:39:11.639 Samuel Roberts: Does that seem good?
477 00:39:12.460 ⇒ 00:39:13.340 Uttam Kumaran: That’s fine.
478 00:39:13.340 ⇒ 00:39:23.870 Samuel Roberts: Okay, then in that case, yeah, so basically the idea is that there would be some tools, maybe master tools that tap into the endpoints, oops, sorry, to pull all these, build this prompt.
479 00:39:24.230 ⇒ 00:39:30.230 Samuel Roberts: From those things, and the specifics of, you know, knowing that it’s a stand-up to output.
480 00:39:30.680 ⇒ 00:39:35.359 Samuel Roberts: Essentially, this and maybe, like, some other pieces,
481 00:39:35.810 ⇒ 00:39:51.600 Samuel Roberts: So, realistically, it’s just creating a master agent that’s going to get triggered on that button press. Most of the stuff is there. This is where the discussion of, like, how much we needed to persist the weekly goals was kind of a question. So, if we can simplify that to just be some text field for now.
482 00:39:51.770 ⇒ 00:39:53.349 Samuel Roberts: That will get pulled.
483 00:39:53.470 ⇒ 00:39:57.580 Samuel Roberts: And then, it’s, it’s really, yeah, it’s just a prompt that’s gonna…
484 00:39:57.990 ⇒ 00:40:02.910 Samuel Roberts: Take all that context, and then tuning that a little bit.
485 00:40:03.700 ⇒ 00:40:07.679 Samuel Roberts: But I think that’s a pretty good use case for the master tools and workflows.
486 00:40:09.910 ⇒ 00:40:20.159 Samuel Roberts: It’s not overly complicated, which is nice, because we can get it done, and then test it, and actually get something a little more iterated, not just, you know, get the prompt a little tuned.
487 00:40:20.430 ⇒ 00:40:23.169 Samuel Roberts: And test it out, but…
488 00:40:23.500 ⇒ 00:40:29.150 Samuel Roberts: I don’t… I don’t see that being, like, crazy architecturally, I see it just being a little more implementation of the master agents and…
489 00:40:29.270 ⇒ 00:40:30.770 Samuel Roberts: The tools might have to…
490 00:40:31.710 ⇒ 00:40:44.109 Samuel Roberts: be massaged a little bit to be the right, you know, pulling the right time period of Slack, and the right… knowing which meetings to pull, things like that, get a little, nitty-gritty, but overall, like, I think that’s the main
491 00:40:44.630 ⇒ 00:40:45.760 Samuel Roberts: I mean, stuff there.
492 00:40:46.150 ⇒ 00:40:48.759 Samuel Roberts: Is there anything else I’m missing there, guys? Mustafa, Casey?
493 00:40:50.310 ⇒ 00:40:51.409 Mustafa Raja: That’s pretty much the title.
494 00:40:51.610 ⇒ 00:40:52.450 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
495 00:40:52.450 ⇒ 00:40:53.110 Casie Aviles: Hmm.
496 00:40:56.090 ⇒ 00:40:56.740 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
497 00:40:59.570 ⇒ 00:41:00.550 Uttam Kumaran: I’m game.
498 00:41:00.720 ⇒ 00:41:09.840 Samuel Roberts: Cool, okay. So I think, yeah, so for, like, the very beginning, basically it’s gonna be… this might, you know, might not be quite as pretty there. This is a definite, like, something in this form.
499 00:41:09.970 ⇒ 00:41:13.609 Samuel Roberts: maybe a little more, you know.
500 00:41:14.220 ⇒ 00:41:23.139 Samuel Roberts: or maybe a little more, maybe a little less polished than what this is. We’re not going to necessarily worry about unsolved action items and, like, checkboxes and things yet. But…
501 00:41:23.840 ⇒ 00:41:39.009 Samuel Roberts: I think we can get to that. So eventually, yeah, like, I love… you coming in with the, like, data mindset is so nice, because I was just like, yeah, how are we going to persist this? Where’s it going to go? Do we need a new table? And you’re already, like, we have a sprint model, we have a stand-up model, like, we can do all, like, it’s just a different way of thinking about it, and I love it.
502 00:41:41.010 ⇒ 00:41:41.350 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
503 00:41:41.350 ⇒ 00:41:45.790 Samuel Roberts: I like that… I like that even long-term now. That’s got me thinking how we might want to keep this…
504 00:41:46.160 ⇒ 00:41:47.710 Samuel Roberts: Persisted over time.
505 00:41:48.990 ⇒ 00:41:49.810 Samuel Roberts: Cool.
506 00:41:51.430 ⇒ 00:41:55.120 Samuel Roberts: I think it’s pretty good to, like, ticket that out now, I think.
507 00:41:56.810 ⇒ 00:41:58.200 Samuel Roberts: We need to take care of that.
508 00:41:58.470 ⇒ 00:41:59.130 Mustafa Raja: Yep.
509 00:42:00.470 ⇒ 00:42:01.110 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
510 00:42:01.110 ⇒ 00:42:02.160 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
511 00:42:03.380 ⇒ 00:42:05.040 Samuel Roberts: Cool. Anything else?
512 00:42:08.200 ⇒ 00:42:13.129 Uttam Kumaran: I think that’s it. Is there anything else on the ABC side we want to cover, guys?
513 00:42:15.300 ⇒ 00:42:22.809 Casie Aviles: Yeah, for ABC, I’m just gonna… Work on… Adding this,
514 00:42:23.960 ⇒ 00:42:29.779 Casie Aviles: the lawn crew that they… that’s for the DB, and then… I asked him…
515 00:42:30.340 ⇒ 00:42:32.919 Casie Aviles: For the service account key, so…
516 00:42:33.320 ⇒ 00:42:35.709 Casie Aviles: There’s that, and then once we have that.
517 00:42:36.230 ⇒ 00:42:39.189 Casie Aviles: Should be able to send from the live Andy.
518 00:42:39.290 ⇒ 00:42:41.889 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. And then we could do, like.
519 00:42:42.280 ⇒ 00:42:50.079 Casie Aviles: a test on a subset of, like, CSRs by adding them to a, like, a group chat on Google.
520 00:42:50.340 ⇒ 00:42:53.710 Casie Aviles: So that’s… that’s one way we could limit, like, the…
521 00:42:54.230 ⇒ 00:43:01.039 Casie Aviles: the users for that. But yeah, that’s… that’s basically what I need to get the live Andy sending those messages.
522 00:43:01.630 ⇒ 00:43:09.919 Casie Aviles: And then I’ll just, follow up with Amber, like, regarding, like, the copy, but that’s pretty much it I have on my plate for this week.
523 00:43:10.140 ⇒ 00:43:10.750 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
524 00:43:13.300 ⇒ 00:43:14.080 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
525 00:43:17.650 ⇒ 00:43:19.060 Uttam Kumaran: Great, that’s all I had.
526 00:43:19.620 ⇒ 00:43:20.200 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
527 00:43:21.260 ⇒ 00:43:38.640 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, thank you guys. I’ll be on today, so I… I have some time this afternoon, so I would love… I can probably… if you guys send me Slack messages, I can probably continue to clear things up. But yeah, I would say just, if by the… maybe by later today, even whatever you have, we can see, and I can totally give feedback, so…
528 00:43:40.910 ⇒ 00:43:48.780 Samuel Roberts: Great. Yeah, I mean, the nice thing about Monster is it also has that, like, dev environment, so we don’t even need to necessarily get this UI up and running in order to test stuff.
529 00:43:49.100 ⇒ 00:43:51.160 Samuel Roberts: So…
530 00:43:51.440 ⇒ 00:43:59.149 Samuel Roberts: we can probably get, like, some real movement on that, and then… then plug it all in after, would be my thought, guys. So,
531 00:43:59.320 ⇒ 00:44:05.979 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know who’s got the most time today. I’m happy to take some, polling stuff, but we can hash that all out after.
532 00:44:06.390 ⇒ 00:44:07.070 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
533 00:44:08.240 ⇒ 00:44:11.339 Samuel Roberts: And then, I don’t know if you’ve seen the new cursor update, Cursor 2.0?
534 00:44:11.340 ⇒ 00:44:11.840 Uttam Kumaran: I did.
535 00:44:11.840 ⇒ 00:44:24.169 Samuel Roberts: We were talking about that earlier on the call, and I was showing them, like, the new UI and everything for the agents, and multi-agents, you can run multiple agents at once, and it’s… it’s… I’m excited to play with it now.
536 00:44:24.170 ⇒ 00:44:25.200 Uttam Kumaran: Nice, okay.
537 00:44:25.370 ⇒ 00:44:28.719 Uttam Kumaran: Hell yeah. Yeah, I wanted to try it today, I just didn’t get a chance yet.
538 00:44:28.880 ⇒ 00:44:30.330 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah, it’s gonna be cool.
539 00:44:32.190 ⇒ 00:44:33.080 Samuel Roberts: Alright.
540 00:44:33.430 ⇒ 00:44:36.340 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great. Thank you, guys. I’ll talk to you then.
541 00:44:36.340 ⇒ 00:44:40.189 Samuel Roberts: Alright, yep, I actually won’t be in the next call, that’s why I gotta run, but…
542 00:44:40.520 ⇒ 00:44:43.999 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, okay, cool. I think it should be the same, the same Zoom invite, so we could.
543 00:44:44.000 ⇒ 00:44:46.789 Samuel Roberts: Oh, okay. Alright. I’m bouncing in. I gotta go.
544 00:44:46.790 ⇒ 00:44:47.820 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Okay.
545 00:44:48.730 ⇒ 00:44:52.890 Mustafa Raja: Let, Utam, please let me know if I need to be in this, because…
546 00:44:53.960 ⇒ 00:44:55.860 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, no, no, no worries.
547 00:44:56.340 ⇒ 00:44:57.290 Mustafa Raja: Okay. That’s fine.
548 00:44:58.120 ⇒ 00:44:58.620 Mustafa Raja: Thank you.
549 00:44:58.620 ⇒ 00:44:59.390 Awaish Kumar: Nope.
550 00:45:00.830 ⇒ 00:45:01.550 Uttam Kumaran: a…
551 00:45:04.960 ⇒ 00:45:06.169 Awaish Kumar: Are you?
552 00:45:06.600 ⇒ 00:45:07.810 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, good, how are you?
553 00:45:08.570 ⇒ 00:45:09.640 Awaish Kumar: I’m good as well.
554 00:45:55.550 ⇒ 00:45:56.900 Henry Zhao: Hey, Wesh, how’s it going?
555 00:45:58.940 ⇒ 00:45:59.990 Awaish Kumar: All good?
556 00:46:00.620 ⇒ 00:46:01.789 Awaish Kumar: How about you?
557 00:46:01.790 ⇒ 00:46:05.680 Henry Zhao: Good! So do you need anything else from me on the Catalyst stuff? I think you should be good to go, right?
558 00:46:06.300 ⇒ 00:46:09.339 Awaish Kumar: I haven’t looked at it, I will look at the table after the call.
559 00:46:09.780 ⇒ 00:46:13.569 Henry Zhao: Okay. Yeah, just let me know if you have any questions, because I’ve been looking at this stuff for weeks already, so…
560 00:46:13.770 ⇒ 00:46:18.569 Henry Zhao: If you have any questions on the join or anything, or the timestamps, you can just ask me.
561 00:46:19.940 ⇒ 00:46:24.459 Henry Zhao: But thanks for all your, like, Daxter expertise, it’s, like, really helpful. I don’t know any of that stuff.
562 00:46:28.080 ⇒ 00:46:29.830 Awaish Kumar: Okay, no worries.
563 00:46:30.750 ⇒ 00:46:33.359 Uttam Kumaran: Give me one sec, I’m just gonna grab a water.
564 00:46:51.450 ⇒ 00:46:54.659 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, let’s talk about,
565 00:46:56.750 ⇒ 00:47:02.140 Uttam Kumaran: Insomnia? I guess Amber and Demolade aren’t on yet, but let me message them.
566 00:47:04.670 ⇒ 00:47:08.119 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, let’s talk about maybe Eden instead, right now.
567 00:47:08.690 ⇒ 00:47:11.980 Uttam Kumaran: Anything from… Yesterday…
568 00:47:12.890 ⇒ 00:47:29.529 Henry Zhao: Yeah, so… we had the Catalyst stand up this morning, to just kind of talk about where we are in terms of that, so I think we’re pretty much at the last step. They keep going, like, they keep changing on, like, what they want, so today Mitesh was in there and kind of saw this.
569 00:47:31.430 ⇒ 00:47:33.129 Henry Zhao: Sorry, go ahead, Noish, you want to say something?
570 00:47:33.130 ⇒ 00:47:38.340 Awaish Kumar: I just created a ticket for that, so 1101 is the… Henry is talking.
571 00:47:39.270 ⇒ 00:47:40.480 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. Thanks.
572 00:47:42.300 ⇒ 00:47:51.270 Henry Zhao: Yeah, but basically today, kind of, Mitesh and we also did, like, did the same, like, we stood our foot down, was like, let’s stop changing all this stuff, like, this is what we’re going to do.
573 00:47:51.690 ⇒ 00:48:05.169 Henry Zhao: We’re gonna use the edge layer data that Zoran has sent us, and basically OASH is going to use that data and just say any conversion for questionnaire completed or sent to pharmacy within 14 days of a Catalyst touchpoint.
574 00:48:05.320 ⇒ 00:48:08.890 Henry Zhao: is going to be sent to Catalysts, and that’s it.
575 00:48:09.750 ⇒ 00:48:24.399 Henry Zhao: So… and then on my end, I’m gonna do some reporting that basically shows, like, how that would look different if it was, like, all touch 14 days versus just last touch versus just first touch. And then we’ll end the chapter there. So, whatever we have by tomorrow, that’s it. We’re closing the book.
576 00:48:24.780 ⇒ 00:48:30.609 Henry Zhao: no more… no more changes, unless there’s, like, a super good business reason. And we’ll be documenting everything as well.
577 00:48:30.830 ⇒ 00:48:36.659 Uttam Kumaran: Great, perfect. Yeah, as long as it gets into this ticket, that’d be great, but if it gets into a Notion doc, even better.
578 00:48:36.990 ⇒ 00:48:51.709 Henry Zhao: Yeah, so I’m working on a Notion doc for what I’ve done on attribution stitching, and I’ll probably add, Zoran’s Edge Layer document, as well as Oasis Catalyst document into that, so we have, like, one major, like, attribution doc that everything can go through there.
579 00:48:52.450 ⇒ 00:48:53.250 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, okay.
580 00:48:55.220 ⇒ 00:49:03.489 Henry Zhao: And then Saturday morning, I’m gonna do one last manual reconciliation of all of October for Catalyst, and that is it. Like, we’re not touching it anymore, starting November 1st.
581 00:49:07.980 ⇒ 00:49:12.359 Henry Zhao: Yeah, so it’s good to have Mitesh there to kind of be, like, the boss and say, like, yeah, this is what we’re doing.
582 00:49:13.550 ⇒ 00:49:14.110 Uttam Kumaran: Great.
583 00:49:14.110 ⇒ 00:49:16.040 Robert Tseng: Nice. Anything good to hear.
584 00:49:16.250 ⇒ 00:49:16.890 Henry Zhao: Yeah.
585 00:49:18.590 ⇒ 00:49:24.020 Henry Zhao: Any pushback on Monday, we can be like, well, Mitesh said we’re not touching this anymore, so, yeah. Let’s bring it up to him.
586 00:49:24.490 ⇒ 00:49:25.330 Uttam Kumaran: Good.
587 00:49:26.780 ⇒ 00:49:29.750 Uttam Kumaran: Anything else?
588 00:49:30.820 ⇒ 00:49:37.590 Henry Zhao: The refund dash is done, thanks, Demolade, for your modeling work, it looks great. So Cutter’s happy about that,
589 00:49:38.210 ⇒ 00:49:44.530 Henry Zhao: And then… so yeah, those are the big 3 wins we discussed on Monday, so… You’re looking good there.
590 00:49:44.990 ⇒ 00:49:46.390 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, solid.
591 00:49:46.390 ⇒ 00:49:47.340 Robert Tseng: Amazing.
592 00:49:47.550 ⇒ 00:49:49.859 Uttam Kumaran: I know we’re gonna talk about,
593 00:49:50.320 ⇒ 00:49:52.840 Uttam Kumaran: North Beam stuff next week, right?
594 00:49:53.370 ⇒ 00:50:09.090 Henry Zhao: Yeah, so we had a meeting with Wicked Reports this morning. I wasn’t any of the Attribution.app, but yeah, we’re gonna create a doc that Robert started to just compare the four solutions that we’re considering, and kind of have the pros and cons of each, so that Eden can make a decision.
595 00:50:09.300 ⇒ 00:50:09.790 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
596 00:50:10.300 ⇒ 00:50:21.420 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, I added a few notes in there. I know Robert wants to make that decision this week. I’m also a little bit concerned, maybe we won’t have…
597 00:50:21.590 ⇒ 00:50:27.260 Zoran Selinger: Time to follow up with any of the questions by… by tomorrow.
598 00:50:30.530 ⇒ 00:50:50.250 Robert Tseng: Like, internally, I would like us to have an opinion. It seems like we just… before this week, we just didn’t have an opinion, and I feel like this has been outstanding for a while. So, we’ve talked to four vendors this week. I mean, after my call with Attribution later today. I think we should have an opinion by the end of this week. It doesn’t have to be, like.
599 00:50:50.320 ⇒ 00:50:56.229 Robert Tseng: no, you know, no payment is… nothing’s gonna switch until next week, but I just want internally for us to have that deadline.
600 00:50:57.030 ⇒ 00:51:04.160 Zoran Selinger: call. So I added my comments, and my parent conclusion in the doc on…
601 00:51:04.280 ⇒ 00:51:09.360 Zoran Selinger: But I’ll still have some… I still have some follow-ups to do.
602 00:51:09.580 ⇒ 00:51:10.010 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
603 00:51:10.010 ⇒ 00:51:14.930 Zoran Selinger: So, ADOT when I get it, but right now, honestly.
604 00:51:15.260 ⇒ 00:51:21.030 Zoran Selinger: I don’t see a sufficient reason to switch. No one really dazzled me.
605 00:51:21.030 ⇒ 00:51:21.360 Henry Zhao: Yeah.
606 00:51:21.910 ⇒ 00:51:23.250 Henry Zhao: compared to NordBeam.
607 00:51:23.620 ⇒ 00:51:26.120 Henry Zhao: I didn’t feel great after the Wickets call today.
608 00:51:26.430 ⇒ 00:51:38.309 Uttam Kumaran: I told you guys! What’d I say? No, I’m just joking. Yeah, I don’t know, in my experience too, North Beam is the best one. Like, one thing we can do is I can go…
609 00:51:38.710 ⇒ 00:51:48.629 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, we can go see… I can ask around to see if anybody’s found anything better than North Beam, but usually, from my friends in this world, like, they say Northbeam is the best.
610 00:51:49.500 ⇒ 00:51:59.839 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, yeah. Okay, let’s have that conversation tomorrow, so Robert will have that conversation, and… yeah, but right now, my conclusion is…
611 00:52:00.010 ⇒ 00:52:04.160 Zoran Selinger: I think we’ll have to stick to, to Norbeam.
612 00:52:05.020 ⇒ 00:52:05.620 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
613 00:52:05.920 ⇒ 00:52:06.590 Zoran Selinger: Yep.
614 00:52:07.350 ⇒ 00:52:07.780 Robert Tseng: Okay.
615 00:52:07.780 ⇒ 00:52:08.120 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so…
616 00:52:08.120 ⇒ 00:52:08.540 Robert Tseng: I like.
617 00:52:08.540 ⇒ 00:52:08.870 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
618 00:52:08.870 ⇒ 00:52:24.550 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I don’t think Northbeam meets the need… like, the need is still for what they keep calling view-through attribution, right? So it’s like, the solution is not just stick with Northbeam, it’s stick with Northbeam and build the custom stuff that we
619 00:52:24.550 ⇒ 00:52:30.730 Robert Tseng: need to do in order to, like, yeah. So that’s… that’s the recommendation. I think, we… that’s… it’s just a…
620 00:52:31.290 ⇒ 00:52:39.419 Robert Tseng: semantic thing, but, like, I don’t want it to be like, oh, we just… we’re just gonna go back to normal. Like, I don’t really think that’s the… that’s the answer.
621 00:52:40.160 ⇒ 00:52:53.760 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, I put another point in the document that I really want to make, and that is that so far, I think Norbin hasn’t gotten a real chance. I don’t think it’s implemented fully.
622 00:52:54.260 ⇒ 00:53:09.929 Zoran Selinger: we are definitely missing parts of the implementation. We don’t know where the order at API… where they’re coming from, or even if they’re coming in fully. So I think it just hasn’t got a fair chance either.
623 00:53:10.090 ⇒ 00:53:10.910 Zoran Selinger: what I’ve…
624 00:53:10.910 ⇒ 00:53:24.180 Henry Zhao: what I’ve been saying is, right now, while we are considering other vendors, we need to use that as leverage with Northbeam to say, like, give us all the tech, like, strong tech support you guys can, because we’re considering switching, and they will, I think, give us better support.
625 00:53:24.180 ⇒ 00:53:25.280 Robert Tseng: Totally, yeah.
626 00:53:25.280 ⇒ 00:53:28.410 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, no, I’m gonna call… I’m gonna call their partnerships guy…
627 00:53:28.810 ⇒ 00:53:35.749 Uttam Kumaran: like, whenever I literally get any breathing rooms, probably Monday, and I’ll do that. So that’s why I wanted to even call them.
628 00:53:35.900 ⇒ 00:53:42.540 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Because… because they’re… Urban Stems is also on North Beam, and we have probably one other… or two other clients, so…
629 00:53:42.950 ⇒ 00:53:45.040 Robert Tseng: Recon clients were on our team before.
630 00:53:45.040 ⇒ 00:53:48.710 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m gonna… I’ll get us a Slack channel, and I’ll get us a good direct line.
631 00:53:49.500 ⇒ 00:53:50.140 Robert Tseng: Okay.
632 00:53:50.140 ⇒ 00:53:51.640 Zoran Selinger: Excellent, excellent.
633 00:53:54.620 ⇒ 00:53:56.599 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, okay. So…
634 00:53:57.170 ⇒ 00:54:06.560 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, Eden next week, I think, is there’s a bunch of stuff, but overall, I guess, Henry, my question is on these. Do we want to move any of these out, or do you feel good about these for this week?
635 00:54:06.940 ⇒ 00:54:14.589 Henry Zhao: Feel good about these four of these… this week, yeah.
636 00:54:14.590 ⇒ 00:54:15.569 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
637 00:54:16.350 ⇒ 00:54:17.050 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
638 00:54:17.050 ⇒ 00:54:28.830 Demilade Agboola: I would just like to add for that Robert has tossed back the affiliate reconciliations my way, with some reconciliations to a previous reconciliation, to kind of…
639 00:54:30.010 ⇒ 00:54:32.220 Demilade Agboola: Like, why the numbers are different.
640 00:54:32.530 ⇒ 00:54:32.930 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
641 00:54:33.030 ⇒ 00:54:41.610 Demilade Agboola: I have a hunch, my hunch is that the UTM source in Basque, they have it as the offer, and that’s what we used… that’s what we spaced out our…
642 00:54:42.060 ⇒ 00:54:46.590 Demilade Agboola: calculation solely on, but that’s what I will just verify and get back to.
643 00:54:47.400 ⇒ 00:54:52.469 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think that one goes back to in progress, yeah. So they… you saw the other file that Mitesh said.
644 00:54:52.660 ⇒ 00:54:55.200 Robert Tseng: I mean, I don’t… I don’t…
645 00:54:55.490 ⇒ 00:55:02.470 Robert Tseng: We’ll see. I mean, they’re… we’re just trying to bridge the gap between whatever Nitesh is saying, $600K,
646 00:55:02.620 ⇒ 00:55:07.810 Robert Tseng: Versus what we’re saying, which is less than $200K. And, once we have a…
647 00:55:08.250 ⇒ 00:55:12.930 Robert Tseng: Once we have a clear… once we’ve checked, we can send it over to the offer. Yeah.
648 00:55:13.470 ⇒ 00:55:19.560 Demilade Agboola: Okay. And also, like Utam, that would increase the points, won’t it?
649 00:55:21.050 ⇒ 00:55:26.779 Uttam Kumaran: Yes. Good point. So I assume you’re spending probably, like, at least 4 hours on this.
650 00:55:27.340 ⇒ 00:55:28.990 Uttam Kumaran: Right? Or should I put more?
651 00:55:30.520 ⇒ 00:55:32.259 Demilade Agboola: No, first, 4’s fine.
652 00:55:32.260 ⇒ 00:55:32.880 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
653 00:55:35.000 ⇒ 00:55:39.729 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. Ellie, I guess Robert, how’d it go yesterday?
654 00:55:40.530 ⇒ 00:55:42.730 Robert Tseng: Yeah, so I think Ellie…
655 00:55:42.880 ⇒ 00:55:57.599 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, we’re… I know we didn’t finish the migration to Azure. Yeah, she basically told me of a couple, like, kind of changes that they’re going through. So the tech guy he talked to, I think he’s just kind of swamped. Like, he’s… he… he’s not…
656 00:55:57.770 ⇒ 00:56:12.089 Robert Tseng: their previous CTO had left, and so I feel like he’s just kind of in a weird spot right now, which is why he hasn’t prioritized it. Okay. But it’s still important to Allison to move it over, so I believe we can extend budget for that. I was just really just grasping for whatever we could.
657 00:56:12.180 ⇒ 00:56:26.749 Robert Tseng: We’re gonna… I think we’re gonna… I basically just need to give her some, like, more clearly defined scope of, like, what a retainer will look like. I think we will do, a 5K monthly retainer through the end of the year.
658 00:56:26.910 ⇒ 00:56:32.910 Robert Tseng: And the two main objectives are moving the Azure over, moving… replatforming,
659 00:56:33.130 ⇒ 00:56:45.650 Robert Tseng: Zoron solution onto Azure, and then, like, there’s a couple other priorities that she mentioned that I want to scope out. They’re not amplitude-related, but yeah, I think it’s… it’s really just, like,
660 00:56:46.120 ⇒ 00:56:48.990 Robert Tseng: Writing another proposal at this point.
661 00:56:49.320 ⇒ 00:56:49.920 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
662 00:56:51.080 ⇒ 00:56:51.670 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
663 00:56:51.870 ⇒ 00:56:56.509 Uttam Kumaran: So, do you wanna, maybe me and you can spend time next week, or is this, like, a This Week thing?
664 00:56:56.510 ⇒ 00:57:01.700 Robert Tseng: I’m gonna try to send it to her this week, because I don’t want to kind of drag it out too long. Okay.
665 00:57:02.190 ⇒ 00:57:03.120 Uttam Kumaran: Do you wanna, do you wanna, like…
666 00:57:03.120 ⇒ 00:57:03.890 Robert Tseng: crush on me.
667 00:57:04.100 ⇒ 00:57:06.099 Uttam Kumaran: Do you wanna, like, talk about it later today?
668 00:57:06.380 ⇒ 00:57:09.609 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I will… I guess whenever I have, like.
669 00:57:09.720 ⇒ 00:57:18.710 Robert Tseng: a chunk. I think, to me, the bigger… I might… I might push it off till tomorrow, let’s be honest. Like, I think the bigger priorities to me are… we haven’t sent anything to Insomnia.
670 00:57:19.060 ⇒ 00:57:28.379 Robert Tseng: And also, like, the README kind of situation, we haven’t really… yeah, like, I… yeah, so I want to make sure that those two clients get something today.
671 00:57:29.130 ⇒ 00:57:36.189 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great. So let’s talk about, so I’m gonna move this to Don… I’m gonna put instead…
672 00:57:36.620 ⇒ 00:57:38.540 Uttam Kumaran: Here.
673 00:57:40.940 ⇒ 00:57:47.549 Robert Tseng: I mean, I feel like I just pulled money out of thin air for Ellie. Like, that’s… that’s what we’re trying to do here, just trying to…
674 00:57:47.550 ⇒ 00:57:48.240 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
675 00:57:48.240 ⇒ 00:57:50.580 Robert Tseng: I’m with nothing really to… nothing really to.
676 00:57:50.580 ⇒ 00:57:55.209 Uttam Kumaran: No, I mean, the Azure thing makes sense, and, like, that… what we’re just totally blocked on, yeah.
677 00:57:55.210 ⇒ 00:57:59.249 Robert Tseng: But yeah, so was it really worth 10K? Like, I probably don’t.
678 00:57:59.250 ⇒ 00:58:03.110 Uttam Kumaran: Well, dude, I mean, they don’t have… if they don’t have someone to do it.
679 00:58:03.220 ⇒ 00:58:06.199 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. And, like, what do we do, right? Like, so…
680 00:58:06.380 ⇒ 00:58:09.429 Uttam Kumaran: It’s… it’s whatever it’s worth to the buyer.
681 00:58:09.430 ⇒ 00:58:11.999 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, I will find, I will find a way.
682 00:58:12.000 ⇒ 00:58:15.380 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. But I want to give you more stuff, like, you know.
683 00:58:15.380 ⇒ 00:58:16.150 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah.
684 00:58:16.150 ⇒ 00:58:18.369 Uttam Kumaran: So, okay. Alright.
685 00:58:23.200 ⇒ 00:58:26.490 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, let’s talk… so, let’s talk about insomnia.
686 00:58:26.900 ⇒ 00:58:31.290 Uttam Kumaran: I guess this is Amber… Endum laude.
687 00:58:33.700 ⇒ 00:58:42.809 Amber Lin: Yes, I will finish up the slides today. Hopefully I have some time before noon, so I’ll finish it for initial round of review.
688 00:58:42.990 ⇒ 00:58:44.550 Amber Lin: And…
689 00:58:45.130 ⇒ 00:58:50.999 Amber Lin: I have a question, do I… should I also work on the slide to include this week’s update, such as…
690 00:58:51.200 ⇒ 00:58:54.380 Amber Lin: The current status and all that.
691 00:58:58.870 ⇒ 00:59:04.850 Robert Tseng: I would… I would separate those. I would just do the analysis deck first. The weekly update is not as important to me, to be honest.
692 00:59:04.850 ⇒ 00:59:05.180 Amber Lin: Okay.
693 00:59:05.180 ⇒ 00:59:08.160 Robert Tseng: Because I… because I am, like, talking to them almost every day, so…
694 00:59:08.160 ⇒ 00:59:08.540 Amber Lin: Okay.
695 00:59:08.540 ⇒ 00:59:24.440 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think that the two… it’s not like we’re doing that much scope with them, so, like, I think they know that we’re… it’s just, like, they can expect one analysis a week, and also, like, we have a couple engineering things. Utom said he was gonna send out the architecture…
696 00:59:24.440 ⇒ 00:59:25.040 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
697 00:59:25.040 ⇒ 00:59:25.700 Robert Tseng: explained, like.
698 00:59:25.860 ⇒ 00:59:26.750 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
699 00:59:26.950 ⇒ 00:59:37.859 Robert Tseng: Current state, small adjustments that we’re gonna make to make this more streamlined, the future state that we’re not gonna build for you because you don’t pay us enough, but, like, just, you know, being able to, like, put that in front of them.
700 00:59:39.240 ⇒ 00:59:47.750 Robert Tseng: Yeah, but seems like, you know, getting the current status is… I mean, my question is just, by Monday, will I have…
701 00:59:48.400 ⇒ 00:59:53.169 Uttam Kumaran: So I guess that’s… yeah, Devilotti, maybe can we talk about the current stuff?
702 00:59:53.380 ⇒ 00:59:56.320 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe you could share where we landed last night, and then…
703 00:59:57.330 ⇒ 01:00:01.179 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, so with the current stuff, I was able to go through…
704 01:00:01.470 ⇒ 01:00:16.399 Demilade Agboola: all the data that was coming in, and I shared that to, Bar. I sent the sample data of, like, 50 rows for each of them, so that they’re able to understand the schema and what comes in from that.
705 01:00:16.570 ⇒ 01:00:20.400 Demilade Agboola: And so we can make that request that this is what we’ll need going forward.
706 01:00:21.240 ⇒ 01:00:28.110 Demilade Agboola: So that also has purchase events, but like Sam noted, purchase events aren’t in…
707 01:00:28.300 ⇒ 01:00:31.600 Demilade Agboola: There isn’t the option for purchase events in the…
708 01:00:31.720 ⇒ 01:00:34.989 Demilade Agboola: Non-test form, which is why we had to make a request.
709 01:00:35.120 ⇒ 01:00:43.929 Demilade Agboola: But yeah, basically, we have the sample data that, of how things should look, and that will be just, like, how we want things to come in going forward.
710 01:00:45.450 ⇒ 01:00:45.890 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
711 01:00:45.890 ⇒ 01:00:58.129 Robert Tseng: Okay, great. So, I mean, I haven’t looked at the Braz’s rep’s email to me today, but I want to send her a message and tell her to get… to have her team pull the historical query, kind of based on whatever you guys defined.
712 01:00:58.240 ⇒ 01:01:03.919 Robert Tseng: I doubt they’ll send it same day, so ideally they would send it to me by tomorrow, but we’ll see.
713 01:01:04.400 ⇒ 01:01:07.210 Uttam Kumaran: So I guess my question, Robert, like, I feel like for…
714 01:01:07.370 ⇒ 01:01:13.230 Uttam Kumaran: to close out Braze, and to close out Amber’s thing, like, do you guys wanna… you guys should just, like…
715 01:01:13.410 ⇒ 01:01:16.210 Uttam Kumaran: Hang for, like, the next 30 minutes or something.
716 01:01:16.210 ⇒ 01:01:17.670 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do that. Yeah.
717 01:01:17.720 ⇒ 01:01:22.700 Uttam Kumaran: So let me… let me knock out the rest of these, because I have… I’ll have to go to a hype thing.
718 01:01:22.700 ⇒ 01:01:23.410 Robert Tseng: I… okay.
719 01:01:23.410 ⇒ 01:01:42.880 Uttam Kumaran: But let’s knock out the rest, and I think for Demolade… I mean, I think probably just you, Demolade, and I mean, Casey, you can join if you want, and then, Amber. I think you guys should just knock out, like, whatever feedback for Amber for the analysis, and then knock out the currents thing, and then…
720 01:01:43.190 ⇒ 01:01:46.460 Uttam Kumaran: in the middle of the hype meeting, I’ll send out something to Insomnia.
721 01:01:48.250 ⇒ 01:01:48.930 Uttam Kumaran: architecture.
722 01:01:48.930 ⇒ 01:01:51.230 Robert Tseng: In the middle of the meeting, okay.
723 01:01:51.480 ⇒ 01:02:00.060 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I mean, dude, well, I’m not… I mean, I can lie and say, like, well, I mean, I’m gonna be in the meeting, and I’m gonna be sending… I’m gonna be doing other work.
724 01:02:00.060 ⇒ 01:02:06.540 Robert Tseng: That’s an UTAM thing to say, just like, multitasking. Oh, yeah, I don’t know how you do it, but…
725 01:02:06.540 ⇒ 01:02:19.089 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I have a wish there. I have my heroes with me, so I can relax. I don’t have to be, like, on-on. But I’m kicking myself. I wanted to get it out yesterday, and we didn’t, and this one.
726 01:02:19.090 ⇒ 01:02:20.410 Robert Tseng: All good, all good, yeah.
727 01:02:21.000 ⇒ 01:02:25.300 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. And then, Demolai, we also worked on the dbt initialization, right?
728 01:02:25.890 ⇒ 01:02:35.569 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, so that’s in progress. I’m going to start using the test data to understand the structure and start, like, modeling things that will be coming in.
729 01:02:35.610 ⇒ 01:02:36.840 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
730 01:02:37.170 ⇒ 01:02:42.410 Demilade Agboola: But yeah, I’ve initialized the repo and the dbt, CLI.
731 01:02:42.580 ⇒ 01:02:44.940 Demilade Agboola: The backfield data part is done.
732 01:02:46.360 ⇒ 01:02:49.630 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so that’s… well, that’s the one that’s gonna be reviewed today, right?
733 01:02:51.610 ⇒ 01:02:55.399 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, that’s kind of, like, the schema stuff, the whole, like…
734 01:02:58.580 ⇒ 01:02:59.140 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
735 01:02:59.980 ⇒ 01:03:01.620 Demilade Agboola: And then…
736 01:03:09.090 ⇒ 01:03:15.529 Demilade Agboola: I would say… Tool 3 is done, but we’re kind of working on Tool 4, where we’re trying to…
737 01:03:15.840 ⇒ 01:03:18.869 Demilade Agboola: Use what we have to build out, like, more…
738 01:03:19.450 ⇒ 01:03:22.960 Demilade Agboola: Like, a better, segmentation for the future.
739 01:03:24.760 ⇒ 01:03:25.310 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
740 01:03:27.870 ⇒ 01:03:34.919 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, and yeah, on README, yeah, I think, Robert, I should probably just need, like, up another path from you on stuff.
741 01:03:35.600 ⇒ 01:03:36.220 Robert Tseng: Okay.
742 01:03:36.660 ⇒ 01:03:39.089 Uttam Kumaran: I… I mean, I’m gonna… I’m gonna send them…
743 01:03:39.420 ⇒ 01:03:46.629 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’ll just try to see if I can bump them. I sent them everything they need for Mongo, but yeah, it seems like they’re just really focused on…
744 01:03:46.850 ⇒ 01:03:48.540 Uttam Kumaran: That conversion funnel, so…
745 01:03:48.540 ⇒ 01:03:54.119 Robert Tseng: That’s why I was like, I don’t really need to, whatever, push all this other stuff out, like, this seems like that’s all they care about right now, so…
746 01:03:54.120 ⇒ 01:04:03.470 Uttam Kumaran: This is the thing is, like, I… yeah, I feel like… I don’t know, sometimes clients say one thing, and then they say another thing, because they think that we’re, like, making trade-offs, and we can’t do both.
747 01:04:03.860 ⇒ 01:04:04.200 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
748 01:04:04.200 ⇒ 01:04:05.440 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like…
749 01:04:06.370 ⇒ 01:04:16.870 Uttam Kumaran: what are they gonna… what are they gonna say? Don’t do it? Like… So if you find anything to answer some of her follow-up questions, I feel like that’s fine. Yeah. Yeah.
750 01:04:17.770 ⇒ 01:04:18.470 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
751 01:04:20.370 ⇒ 01:04:27.950 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. Trying to think if there’s anything else. So, default, we’re meeting with today…
752 01:04:28.060 ⇒ 01:04:31.649 Uttam Kumaran: Remo, at least Josh is in there now, pushing that…
753 01:04:33.090 ⇒ 01:04:40.069 Uttam Kumaran: you know, thing continues. I saw Robert, Josh emailed about that. Yeah, I mean, look, I don’t want us to, like.
754 01:04:40.790 ⇒ 01:04:47.409 Uttam Kumaran: I basically want to share with them that, yeah, this is not working. I think Surf could do something, but also, like, dude, it’s kind of, like, out of our…
755 01:04:47.940 ⇒ 01:04:50.699 Uttam Kumaran: a little bit out of our world, so, like, I don’t want to, like…
756 01:04:51.220 ⇒ 01:04:55.949 Uttam Kumaran: get dinged if… if Surf takes it and isn’t able to do it, so, like, I don’t know, I just…
757 01:04:57.190 ⇒ 01:04:58.430 Uttam Kumaran: I, yeah.
758 01:04:58.760 ⇒ 01:05:01.130 Uttam Kumaran: You’ll handle it, but yeah.
759 01:05:01.130 ⇒ 01:05:03.210 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah, no, I…
760 01:05:04.840 ⇒ 01:05:09.959 Uttam Kumaran: It’s just, like, too many moving parts right now for Eden, and I just want to be careful that, like.
761 01:05:11.080 ⇒ 01:05:15.340 Uttam Kumaran: We’re not getting greedy on this one, like, we’re just like, let’s just see what…
762 01:05:15.680 ⇒ 01:05:18.970 Robert Tseng: Yeah, if we spread ourselves too much, yeah.
763 01:05:18.970 ⇒ 01:05:26.700 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, because… so tell me also about last pieces, the thorough pass thing. Do you want me to keep pushing on that? .
764 01:05:26.700 ⇒ 01:05:42.240 Robert Tseng: Well, so my thing was, like, okay, well, I don’t really have, like, a case to extend, I mean, I’m assuming that Remo is just gonna fall flat on its face by next week, and then Surf is not gonna be able to get an extension off of that, so…
765 01:05:42.380 ⇒ 01:05:47.360 Robert Tseng: you know, if we’re trying to, like, basically prop them up as this fractional CTO, then…
766 01:05:47.570 ⇒ 01:05:55.240 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, he could take on the thorough pass work. It’s… it’s… it’s just like, you know, I kind of gave examples. It’s…
767 01:05:55.240 ⇒ 01:05:55.750 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
768 01:05:55.750 ⇒ 01:06:06.350 Robert Tseng: HIPAA, HIPAA compliance stuff, like, I, you know, we’ve… we took pieces of it that were relevant to us, and that’s why it’s, like, 40% done. Awash built out this,
769 01:06:06.580 ⇒ 01:06:17.300 Robert Tseng: like, I think their legal team sends us a few customers every week, and then we’re able to just purge them from our systems. Like, that’s a big step in this compliance journey.
770 01:06:17.300 ⇒ 01:06:28.280 Robert Tseng: It’s just… it’s just going through and building out whatever other process we need to with the other teams. So, like, I… it’s usually, like, a CTO job, in my opinion, so, like, I…
771 01:06:28.290 ⇒ 01:06:35.530 Robert Tseng: haven’t… I kicked it down the line, because I wanted someone else to do it. But we could do it. I don’t think it’s hard, it’s just, like.
772 01:06:35.770 ⇒ 01:06:38.039 Robert Tseng: Yeah, that’s just what it is.
773 01:06:38.490 ⇒ 01:06:44.820 Uttam Kumaran: Can you, do you have an email with the past, thorough Pass people, or, like, can you remind me who their… the name is?
774 01:06:45.210 ⇒ 01:06:46.470 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
775 01:06:46.750 ⇒ 01:06:49.829 Robert Tseng: I slacked him yesterday, he didn’t respond, but .
776 01:06:49.830 ⇒ 01:06:57.570 Uttam Kumaran: I have… I have their head of… that person I know, she’s head of sales engineering there, or something, so I’ll… I told her I’d let her know who we’re talking to.
777 01:06:58.310 ⇒ 01:06:59.280 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
778 01:07:02.440 ⇒ 01:07:06.369 Robert Tseng: It’s a dude named Matthew.
779 01:07:06.530 ⇒ 01:07:07.400 Robert Tseng: I’ll just…
780 01:07:09.930 ⇒ 01:07:11.889 Uttam Kumaran: That’s definitely very specific.
781 01:07:12.050 ⇒ 01:07:15.370 Robert Tseng: Yeah, Matthew, I’m sorry, I mean… Matthew Catalano?
782 01:07:17.270 ⇒ 01:07:19.710 Robert Tseng: I just… I just slacked it in the Eden channel.
783 01:07:20.780 ⇒ 01:07:21.570 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, alright.
784 01:07:22.370 ⇒ 01:07:23.180 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
785 01:07:23.610 ⇒ 01:07:24.390 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
786 01:07:24.630 ⇒ 01:07:30.290 Uttam Kumaran: Alright, so how about I, I will need this Zoom, but…
787 01:07:30.610 ⇒ 01:07:33.570 Uttam Kumaran: kind of, I think, Robert, kind of what… one thing we talked about
788 01:07:33.960 ⇒ 01:07:38.360 Uttam Kumaran: Guys, gals, yesterday is maybe just trying to…
789 01:07:38.570 ⇒ 01:07:45.090 Uttam Kumaran: Have this stand up, and then immediately go into, like, maybe 30 minutes or so of just, like, kind of, like, pair or view work.
790 01:07:45.150 ⇒ 01:08:03.149 Uttam Kumaran: I think we’ve… I now am kind of happy with, like, kind of the pace of this. I think now more of what we need is, like, hey, we have a couple of follow-ups, like, let’s quickly get the Braze thing out. Probably just needs a quick, like, 10-15 minute conversation with me or Robert and whoever’s, like, working on stuff, so we’re gonna just do that at the end of…
791 01:08:03.470 ⇒ 01:08:14.169 Uttam Kumaran: stand-up. Probably I’ll end up doing something next week, consolidating both stand-ups and just having this room here blocked off for folks, but consider it sort of, like.
792 01:08:14.470 ⇒ 01:08:27.649 Uttam Kumaran: working session time, so I think today, like, it seems like there’s a bunch of items for Insomnia that can go out, so if you three can work on that and push that, I think that’ll be really, really efficient.
793 01:08:28.229 ⇒ 01:08:31.219 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, yeah, and so, I guess today… yeah, go ahead.
794 01:08:31.689 ⇒ 01:08:35.639 Robert Tseng: No, I was just gonna say, I opened another room for Insomnia, we can jump to there.
795 01:08:35.930 ⇒ 01:08:43.139 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, yeah, and then I have the… I’m also doing the project review for Urban Stems later. We have a project review on Monday for ABC.
796 01:08:43.340 ⇒ 01:08:45.359 Uttam Kumaran: So just really trying to, like.
797 01:08:46.560 ⇒ 01:08:50.300 Uttam Kumaran: Rip these renewals this week and next week, so let’s see how it goes.
798 01:08:52.850 ⇒ 01:09:08.480 Henry Zhao: Okay, cool. Before we end real quick, does anybody have time, a little bit of free time today to help me with an analysis that I’m stuck on for Eden? You don’t actually need to know a lot about Eden, it’s a logic problem, but it logically doesn’t make any sense, so I could use someone’s, like, outside opinion.
799 01:09:09.050 ⇒ 01:09:10.240 Uttam Kumaran: Send a loom!
800 01:09:10.359 ⇒ 01:09:13.519 Uttam Kumaran: I can help, but I’ll have to watch, but you have… I’ll have to…
801 01:09:13.520 ⇒ 01:09:17.940 Henry Zhao: Okay, it’s a quick loom. Yep. Yeah, yeah, send a loom. Alright, sounds good. I’ll send it.
802 01:09:19.060 ⇒ 01:09:19.590 Uttam Kumaran: Alright.
803 01:09:19.590 ⇒ 01:09:20.429 Henry Zhao: Thank you, guys.
804 01:09:20.529 ⇒ 01:09:21.620 Robert Tseng: Thank you.
805 01:09:21.620 ⇒ 01:09:22.200 Uttam Kumaran: Talk soon.