Meeting Title: Brainforge x ABC Weekly Sync Date: 2025-10-08 Meeting participants: Uttam Kumaran, Samuel Roberts
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1 00:00:49.550 ⇒ 00:00:50.980 Samuel Roberts: Ayy.
2 00:00:53.760 ⇒ 00:00:55.020 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, can you hear me?
3 00:00:55.220 ⇒ 00:00:57.339 Samuel Roberts: I can. You can hear me?
4 00:00:59.780 ⇒ 00:01:00.420 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
5 00:01:00.960 ⇒ 00:01:01.720 Uttam Kumaran: Farms.
6 00:01:02.050 ⇒ 00:01:02.850 Uttam Kumaran: Some lunch.
7 00:01:03.770 ⇒ 00:01:05.870 Samuel Roberts: Oh, yeah, it just got a little quiet.
8 00:01:05.870 ⇒ 00:01:07.469 Uttam Kumaran: Hold on a second.
9 00:01:16.900 ⇒ 00:01:17.900 Uttam Kumaran: How’s this?
10 00:01:18.820 ⇒ 00:01:19.810 Samuel Roberts: That’s better.
11 00:01:19.810 ⇒ 00:01:20.750 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool.
12 00:01:21.010 ⇒ 00:01:22.559 Uttam Kumaran: How’s everything? How do you feel?
13 00:01:23.700 ⇒ 00:01:32.440 Samuel Roberts: Better, not… not 100%. Like, I’m still dragging a little bit, but yesterday was just rough. I don’t know if it was something going through me, or…
14 00:01:32.820 ⇒ 00:01:33.650 Samuel Roberts: COVID?
15 00:01:33.650 ⇒ 00:01:34.080 Uttam Kumaran: You think?
16 00:01:34.080 ⇒ 00:01:38.919 Samuel Roberts: That was what my mom said, too. I feel like I don’t have any other symptoms besides just, like…
17 00:01:39.520 ⇒ 00:01:42.209 Samuel Roberts: Tiredness and, like, lethargy and stuff, but…
18 00:01:42.210 ⇒ 00:01:42.979 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
19 00:01:42.980 ⇒ 00:01:47.599 Samuel Roberts: And, like, I had that sinus thing going on last week, but that seems to have cleared up, so I don’t think it’s…
20 00:01:47.890 ⇒ 00:01:55.999 Samuel Roberts: anything like that, but she suggested the same thing, especially as I’m, like, on a video call holding my baby, showing her, and she’s like, do you test? And I was like, I think I’m okay.
21 00:01:56.000 ⇒ 00:02:01.959 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I’m more like, sometimes I feel like that’s now the common winter flu, you know, so…
22 00:02:01.960 ⇒ 00:02:05.980 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, no, testing is probably not a bad idea, and I do have to get a flu shot at some point.
23 00:02:06.560 ⇒ 00:02:09.780 Uttam Kumaran: Is the weather changing, like, near you? I assume it’s getting colder.
24 00:02:09.789 ⇒ 00:02:15.979 Samuel Roberts: Finally changing, literally yesterday. It had been, like, 80 degrees, for… days.
25 00:02:16.259 ⇒ 00:02:21.829 Samuel Roberts: In, like, October, and I was like, this is ridiculous. And then it finally rained yesterday, and it’s much cooler today.
26 00:02:21.989 ⇒ 00:02:23.259 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, nice, okay.
27 00:02:23.830 ⇒ 00:02:26.559 Uttam Kumaran: 90, which is pretty cool.
28 00:02:26.560 ⇒ 00:02:27.810 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
29 00:02:27.810 ⇒ 00:02:32.810 Uttam Kumaran: For now, like, I’m… I’ve… I woke up early today and been working, and it was, like.
30 00:02:32.930 ⇒ 00:02:35.400 Uttam Kumaran: 80, it was like 75 in the morning.
31 00:02:35.400 ⇒ 00:02:35.780 Samuel Roberts: I was like.
32 00:02:35.780 ⇒ 00:02:43.469 Uttam Kumaran: This is really nice. Yeah. Now it’s back to really hot, but, it slowly is getting colder here, too, somehow.
33 00:02:43.830 ⇒ 00:02:44.620 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
34 00:02:47.000 ⇒ 00:02:50.439 Samuel Roberts: Ugh, but yeah, we’re hanging in there today, so we’re doing alright.
35 00:02:50.440 ⇒ 00:02:51.210 Uttam Kumaran: Thanks.
36 00:02:52.080 ⇒ 00:02:55.270 Uttam Kumaran: How’s, yeah, tell me how everything’s going.
37 00:02:56.870 ⇒ 00:03:08.340 Samuel Roberts: Pretty good, yeah, I had a good… so I obviously did a bunch of the stand-ups this morning, still playing a little… playing a little catch-up, just catching up on everything. And then I had a grooming session with Rico to go through the current,
38 00:03:09.400 ⇒ 00:03:12.700 Samuel Roberts: The current tickets and next cycle’s tickets that we’re looking at.
39 00:03:13.350 ⇒ 00:03:19.169 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, give me… how do you feel about how, like, stand-ups are being run right now? Like, give me some feedback.
40 00:03:19.340 ⇒ 00:03:34.550 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I mean, they seem good, like, so in the morning, I think this morning was a little different, because there was, like, an insomnia planning. I’m not so heavily involved in that, but, I was on there just because now Mustafa and Casey are doing it, I just want to be able to, like.
41 00:03:34.680 ⇒ 00:03:38.159 Samuel Roberts: support them, so I’m in the loop, at least. And Justin did mention
42 00:03:38.680 ⇒ 00:03:50.289 Samuel Roberts: pulling me in for some more, like, higher level stuff with the, like, scorecard and automating that a little bit better, but it hasn’t happened yet. But normally, like, insomnia is quick.
43 00:03:50.290 ⇒ 00:03:58.880 Samuel Roberts: interlude is pretty quick, and then default is… was a little longer today because of some stuff, and I got into some stuff, but Justin popped off, but those have been relatively…
44 00:03:59.560 ⇒ 00:04:06.489 Samuel Roberts: quick, check-ins, nothing crazy. And then in the morning, yeah, we’re still kind of doing the, like.
45 00:04:06.890 ⇒ 00:04:12.729 Uttam Kumaran: what’s going… I’m not walking through every linear ticket that they have anymore, since I’m like, the stand-up should handle that for the most part.
46 00:04:12.730 ⇒ 00:04:27.240 Samuel Roberts: But I’m like, what happened yesterday? Any blockers today? And we talked through some technical stuff, if they have any issues and stuff, and then Rico does the kind of, more PME stuff for the internal things, which has been going pretty well, I think, for those calls.
47 00:04:27.720 ⇒ 00:04:28.280 Uttam Kumaran: Buh.
48 00:04:28.480 ⇒ 00:04:31.029 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, I think things are definitely, like, getting in a good place.
49 00:04:31.480 ⇒ 00:04:44.180 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Yeah, we’re a pretty small team, so I’m sort of, like, debating whether to just, like, batch a bunch of them in one meeting, and so we’re gonna… we’re gonna kind of, like, make some decisions this week, I think, on, like, how we…
50 00:04:44.370 ⇒ 00:04:46.029 Uttam Kumaran: How we run this…
51 00:04:46.420 ⇒ 00:04:53.270 Uttam Kumaran: In the future. Yeah. But yeah, I feel at least, like, we’re doing all the rituals, and then we can make adjustments.
52 00:04:53.270 ⇒ 00:04:54.100 Samuel Roberts: Exactly.
53 00:04:54.820 ⇒ 00:05:13.710 Samuel Roberts: even, like, you know, if it’s three of us, it’s Justin, Mustafa, and I on the interlude call, and there wasn’t a ton there. I’m looking at some stuff for that now, but we’re still, like, waiting on a few things, so it’s probably more pestering them than anything, but when we’re done with that, we just, like, hop right off and right into default, which was good, because it’s the three of us there, too.
54 00:05:13.710 ⇒ 00:05:19.160 Samuel Roberts: Just to, like, keep them separate, which is helpful, I think, for… especially for Justin, for the…
55 00:05:19.480 ⇒ 00:05:21.549 Samuel Roberts: Meetings on the platform and stuff, but…
56 00:05:21.550 ⇒ 00:05:22.610 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
57 00:05:22.610 ⇒ 00:05:25.000 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, those aren’t crazy,
58 00:05:26.160 ⇒ 00:05:34.510 Samuel Roberts: it’s just… yeah, it’s just a bunch of them, you know? It’s not like there’s much… I mean, unless we’re gonna reduce that. I feel like my mornings are pretty good. Like I said, I have the ABC stand-up
59 00:05:34.740 ⇒ 00:05:44.139 Samuel Roberts: in, like, 12 minutes, and with, Amber not here, I want to make sure that we’re all coordinated with that. Yeah. But I think that’s the only one that’s, like.
60 00:05:44.770 ⇒ 00:05:46.769 Samuel Roberts: In the afternoon anymore, for me.
61 00:05:47.220 ⇒ 00:05:47.910 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
62 00:05:47.910 ⇒ 00:05:55.910 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. Yeah, that’s a good schedule, then, like, I mean, for me, I… I’m also either, like, batch in the morning as early as we can, or batch…
63 00:05:56.190 ⇒ 00:05:59.209 Uttam Kumaran: like, later in the afternoon, because I really do need the…
64 00:05:59.460 ⇒ 00:06:01.560 Uttam Kumaran: I really do need the gap time, you know?
65 00:06:01.560 ⇒ 00:06:14.379 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah, I would say if… because I know it’s a little early at this point, there’s a bunch of time blocked off for, like, Amber for ABC, so maybe even moving them a little bit later would be ideal. That’s… yeah, because it definitely, like, things pop up,
66 00:06:14.490 ⇒ 00:06:20.790 Samuel Roberts: Anyway, like, getting on a call with someone, or yeah, just heads down time is hard to come by, even, so…
67 00:06:21.010 ⇒ 00:06:22.260 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
68 00:06:22.470 ⇒ 00:06:27.599 Samuel Roberts: And that was one thing that was good, was initially there was, like, a 15-minute gap with some of the stand-ups in the morning, and .
69 00:06:27.600 ⇒ 00:06:28.240 Uttam Kumaran: That’s brutal.
70 00:06:28.240 ⇒ 00:06:34.840 Samuel Roberts: Like, that was just… that was… that was really annoying, and I was just, like, I mentioned it to Justin, I think it was just, like, there were some meetings already then.
71 00:06:34.840 ⇒ 00:06:37.819 Uttam Kumaran: For that week, but he got them all sorted together in a little…
72 00:06:37.820 ⇒ 00:06:38.390 Samuel Roberts: 45 minutes.
73 00:06:38.390 ⇒ 00:06:43.980 Uttam Kumaran: No, that’s great feedback, you know, because PMs aren’t gonna operate like we do, and so…
74 00:06:44.180 ⇒ 00:06:50.839 Uttam Kumaran: I’m trying to compress as much as possible, so… okay, cool. So I know in the… in the sort of 10 minutes that we do have, so I guess time.
75 00:06:50.840 ⇒ 00:06:51.180 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
76 00:06:51.180 ⇒ 00:07:05.370 Uttam Kumaran: Number one is, yeah, I want to try to get… I sent some notes in the FoamPro channel, but basically, we are pitching this client on, like, sort of a chat with your ERP data type of engagement.
77 00:07:05.550 ⇒ 00:07:08.050 Uttam Kumaran: I actually think instead of,
78 00:07:08.170 ⇒ 00:07:27.190 Uttam Kumaran: building this ourselves. We have a partnership with this tool, Omni, and that’s actually the tool we’re using for our own reporting, and they have a lot of really amazing chat with data capabilities out of the box. And I actually think that just a simple demo of that platform works for us in two ways. One, it’s…
79 00:07:27.190 ⇒ 00:07:31.660 Uttam Kumaran: They already have a bit of sample data already in the platform.
80 00:07:31.710 ⇒ 00:07:50.070 Uttam Kumaran: And they’ve already built out MCP, the UI, so, like, it’s actually great for us to just demo that. Second, we originally pitched this client on, like, a broader, like, reporting engagement, but they weren’t as interested. However, if they’re able to buy into this, then it opens the door up for that, because we were going to implement a BI tool anyways.
81 00:07:50.070 ⇒ 00:08:06.769 Uttam Kumaran: So, I’m kind of, like, I’m kind of curious on if this is something that you can maybe spend an hour or two today, and I outlined a little bit of, like, how I think the demo call could go tomorrow, but ideally, I want a demo just simple within Omni.
82 00:08:06.770 ⇒ 00:08:13.680 Uttam Kumaran: like, chat with UI, and you can think of Omni, it’s, like, similar to… it’s, like, similar to all our BI tools, it’s actually just way better.
83 00:08:13.680 ⇒ 00:08:14.250 Samuel Roberts: Cool.
84 00:08:14.250 ⇒ 00:08:27.190 Uttam Kumaran: also, it’s also much more robust than RIL, so it’s not a very… not a similar… not that similar experience. But there is some nuances to, like, modeling the data, and I sent some documentation on, like.
85 00:08:27.190 ⇒ 00:08:37.770 Uttam Kumaran: their AI features, so I would love to demo as many of the chat over data features. They sent over that they’re using Sage for their ERP. It’s… I don’t really…
86 00:08:37.900 ⇒ 00:08:40.209 Uttam Kumaran: Care much about, like.
87 00:08:40.740 ⇒ 00:08:47.729 Uttam Kumaran: Sage, and more I care about, can we demo, like, the ability to chat with orders, or chat with a customer data set broadly? So…
88 00:08:47.740 ⇒ 00:09:03.879 Uttam Kumaran: Right. I think the demo that would be great is, like, within Omni, there is a chat interface, so showing that we can ask a couple questions and, like, Omni… our demo in Omni is set up to do that. Second, it would be great to also demo some of Omni’s, like, AI-to-report features, like.
89 00:09:03.920 ⇒ 00:09:08.089 Uttam Kumaran: the ease of creating new reports, and then third, I wanna… I wanna…
90 00:09:08.140 ⇒ 00:09:19.860 Uttam Kumaran: Omni comes out of the box with their own MCP and integration, so ideally, making, like, that available in the Slack is actually pretty simple, and that would be the third demo.
91 00:09:19.860 ⇒ 00:09:32.089 Uttam Kumaran: like… and that would be, like, the third part of the demo. They’ve actually only asked for number one, and so I think if we do all three, then… and they’re like, sick, this is exactly what I want, then I can come in and close the commercial terms.
92 00:09:32.120 ⇒ 00:09:37.459 Uttam Kumaran: I also think, like, their price range is pretty small, so this is probably…
93 00:09:37.870 ⇒ 00:09:40.769 Uttam Kumaran: Like, honestly, what we can accomplish, given their…
94 00:09:40.770 ⇒ 00:09:43.889 Samuel Roberts: Their price range for an initiative like this.
95 00:09:43.990 ⇒ 00:10:01.640 Uttam Kumaran: So, I think this… also, on your side, I think one gives you some… I think this is a really nice crossover between AI and data. Second, I think we want to make it so, like, our… our, like, technical leads, like, if you guys participate in one of our sales or contribute, like, we want to give
96 00:10:01.640 ⇒ 00:10:10.790 Uttam Kumaran: folks part of that money, and, like, we were thinking of, like, what the rough incentive is gonna look like, but either way, I think that’s… that’s something that we really, really want to do.
97 00:10:10.790 ⇒ 00:10:11.220 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
98 00:10:11.220 ⇒ 00:10:15.040 Uttam Kumaran: And yeah, I don’t think it’s, like, should be that crazy of a lift, so…
99 00:10:15.760 ⇒ 00:10:16.370 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
100 00:10:16.800 ⇒ 00:10:21.390 Samuel Roberts: No, that seems… that seems pretty doable. Definitely exciting to see it early, too, because…
101 00:10:21.540 ⇒ 00:10:27.510 Samuel Roberts: I definitely feel like, a lot of these projects, I’m like, I’ve stepped in to ongoing things, and it’s nice to see one kind of…
102 00:10:27.690 ⇒ 00:10:28.629 Samuel Roberts: Potentially coming in.
103 00:10:28.630 ⇒ 00:10:29.290 Uttam Kumaran: From the beginning.
104 00:10:29.290 ⇒ 00:10:30.389 Samuel Roberts: more familiar.
105 00:10:32.380 ⇒ 00:10:36.670 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, I can definitely do that, I’m just trying to make sure I have… So…
106 00:10:37.190 ⇒ 00:10:43.169 Samuel Roberts: I’ve definitely been in Omni, so I definitely have some kind of account set up, but is that for ours, I think?
107 00:10:43.620 ⇒ 00:11:01.280 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so it is ours too, and we’ll be using ours for the demo, but not on our data. There’s multiple types of, like, connections that are available. So you’ll see there’s, like, a default connection, that’s what we’re using for default. There’s a Brainforge one, and then there’s an Ecom demo one in there as well. I think we can probably extend and, like.
108 00:11:01.300 ⇒ 00:11:06.000 Uttam Kumaran: we can… I would try it with whatever’s in the Ecom demo, that came out of the box, and then…
109 00:11:06.000 ⇒ 00:11:06.530 Samuel Roberts: Yep.
110 00:11:06.530 ⇒ 00:11:19.220 Uttam Kumaran: if there’s any tweaks or we need to add data, myself and Awash are really familiar with the platform. Mustafa actually is kind of getting the hang of it, too, but we can just try it in the PhonePro channel, so… but give it a shot. I don’t, like, this isn’t…
111 00:11:19.530 ⇒ 00:11:26.310 Uttam Kumaran: I think it’s just… the complication is just gonna be it’s, like, some new data concepts, but nothing… Yeah. This is nothing crazy, so…
112 00:11:26.540 ⇒ 00:11:34.150 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, I can… I can dive in for an hour or two later, and hopefully get something, at least understand the… to be able to demo it, at the very least.
113 00:11:34.150 ⇒ 00:11:39.249 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so, like, see how far we can get today, and then maybe we can do a dry run.
114 00:11:39.450 ⇒ 00:11:42.129 Uttam Kumaran: Basically, later today, and then that way.
115 00:11:42.400 ⇒ 00:11:47.760 Uttam Kumaran: like, we can see what the gap is. The meeting’s, like, tomorrow around this time, I think, so we have plenty of time.
116 00:11:47.760 ⇒ 00:11:48.240 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
117 00:11:49.630 ⇒ 00:11:56.959 Uttam Kumaran: But yeah, I mean, chat with, ERP data, something that we have a bunch of clients asking about, so this is a great way to kind of, like.
118 00:11:56.960 ⇒ 00:11:58.300 Samuel Roberts: Set up that demo.
119 00:11:58.410 ⇒ 00:11:59.230 Uttam Kumaran: Definitely.
120 00:11:59.230 ⇒ 00:12:00.149 Samuel Roberts: That sounds great.
121 00:12:00.740 ⇒ 00:12:09.819 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and also, like, we’ll be using Omni for our internal reporting and stuff, too, and, like, probably we end up getting the Postgres and everything in there as well, so…
122 00:12:10.250 ⇒ 00:12:24.030 Uttam Kumaran: It’s a two birds with one stone thing. And then, so yeah, that, if you can let me know later, and then for the other meeting I had yesterday, I basically met with the team, and I kind of, like, was thinking this week, I’m like, okay.
123 00:12:24.030 ⇒ 00:12:30.339 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like we’re not shipping enough, but I also am, like, asking the AI team to, like, limit hours, and we’re spending a lot.
124 00:12:30.340 ⇒ 00:12:30.690 Samuel Roberts: Alright.
125 00:12:30.690 ⇒ 00:12:39.989 Uttam Kumaran: I’m like, what is the… like, what are we getting jammed with? And I… and one of the things I want to sort of try and figure out is, actually, how do we open up
126 00:12:40.090 ⇒ 00:12:47.260 Uttam Kumaran: the ability for two key work streams to, like, a broader audience in the company. First is, how do we get more people to actually
127 00:12:47.430 ⇒ 00:12:51.620 Uttam Kumaran: develop Richer requirements for features,
128 00:12:51.620 ⇒ 00:12:51.990 Samuel Roberts: This is…
129 00:12:51.990 ⇒ 00:13:11.590 Uttam Kumaran: this is, like, like, long story short, like, I want to make it so anyone can, like, think of a feature, think of the user story, and then actually, like, maybe even mock up using Magic Patterns or Figma Make, like, what, like, a simple UI of it could look like. I think that is, one, we don’t design a lot of our AI features, and for that reason, I think
130 00:13:11.660 ⇒ 00:13:20.019 Uttam Kumaran: we, like, we lose out on a lot of, like, the UX, and so if we give that power a little bit more to the users, I think that would be…
131 00:13:20.060 ⇒ 00:13:32.879 Uttam Kumaran: helpful. The second thing is, on the, development side, for semi-technical users, I think we should make it so they can actually try to ship, like, 60% of a feature.
132 00:13:32.980 ⇒ 00:13:34.709 Uttam Kumaran: You know, I think that would be really cool.
133 00:13:36.540 ⇒ 00:13:38.250 Samuel Roberts: Yeah,
134 00:13:39.580 ⇒ 00:13:48.910 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, my only concern there is that, like, things are in a kind of weird state in the code. So some of that would involve, like… because a lot of it was just migrated over.
135 00:13:49.050 ⇒ 00:13:54.040 Samuel Roberts: pretty directly. There’s definitely, like, ways we can…
136 00:13:54.150 ⇒ 00:14:11.440 Samuel Roberts: clean up, like, there’s components, like, multiple things that we could probably condense into, like, one component, and if we could do stuff like that, and have that in, like, some cursor rules or something, I definitely think, like, someone can get in there and play around and, you know, like you said, get 60% of the way there, because right now, like…
137 00:14:11.440 ⇒ 00:14:19.010 Uttam Kumaran: Same thing on the design and the engineering side, I’m like, can we get it to, like, 60-80%, where then I can pass a branch off to y’all to, like.
138 00:14:19.010 ⇒ 00:14:19.510 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
139 00:14:19.510 ⇒ 00:14:29.589 Uttam Kumaran: finish up, because I don’t know everything about writing TypeScript or front-end, but at least I can go from design to something, and then iterate to get it working locally, and then ship it to y’all, and…
140 00:14:29.590 ⇒ 00:14:30.230 Samuel Roberts: I think.
141 00:14:30.230 ⇒ 00:14:46.669 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so… but I agree, like, I think one thing that would be helpful is if you can… if we can ticket out, like, what needs to happen in the platform, like, in the codebase for us to make it, like, really usable, like, I have something, because I’ve been trying to build
142 00:14:46.850 ⇒ 00:14:52.379 Uttam Kumaran: like, vibe code some features, and so… certainly, like, I’m a great test dummy for.
143 00:14:52.380 ⇒ 00:14:53.160 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
144 00:14:53.370 ⇒ 00:14:54.260 Uttam Kumaran: this.
145 00:14:54.480 ⇒ 00:15:04.510 Uttam Kumaran: But also, like, again, like, yeah, I… whatever… we have to write everything in cursor rules if we’re gonna… if we’re gonna maintain any standards, otherwise you guys are gonna be doing a lot of cleanup.
146 00:15:04.680 ⇒ 00:15:06.469 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I mean, like I said, there’s a lot of
147 00:15:06.880 ⇒ 00:15:08.640 Samuel Roberts: because of that, so I’d get it. Yeah, go ahead.
148 00:15:08.640 ⇒ 00:15:22.099 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, exactly. So that’s… so that would be something, but I think, like, honestly, I’d rather have the few hours we have now dedicated to that, like, enabling, so, like, me, Henry, Awash, Demolade.
149 00:15:22.180 ⇒ 00:15:31.999 Uttam Kumaran: even, like, Amber, Rico, like, we can actually try to, like, ship… get close to shipping stuff, and I think that would make a tremendous dent into our backlog.
150 00:15:32.170 ⇒ 00:15:44.399 Uttam Kumaran: even if I’m able to, like, get pretty far, I think you’ll see that it’ll be pretty effective. And then the second thing on the design side, we just need to pick up platform for, like, this, like, text, design or mock-up, so I sort.
151 00:15:44.400 ⇒ 00:15:44.760 Samuel Roberts: proposal.
152 00:15:44.760 ⇒ 00:15:53.800 Uttam Kumaran: we either use V0, or we use Figma Make, or we use Magic Patterns, but we just basically need to pick, and then we’ll do a training to make sure that everybody
153 00:15:54.060 ⇒ 00:16:01.649 Uttam Kumaran: you know, feels comfortable, you know, using that tool. And then we’ll onboard people so that, like, hey, if you have a feature idea.
154 00:16:01.820 ⇒ 00:16:10.759 Uttam Kumaran: or you want to take on… like, basically, it just adds… like, how do we just add more capacity to the AI team? Right, so that’s… that’s sort of, like, what I’m…
155 00:16:11.160 ⇒ 00:16:19.799 Uttam Kumaran: trying to think more about, and I think this is, like, a good way of doing it. And it’s, like, I don’t think a lot of our stuff gets designed anyway, so…
156 00:16:19.800 ⇒ 00:16:21.040 Samuel Roberts: No, not at this point.
157 00:16:21.040 ⇒ 00:16:26.300 Uttam Kumaran: Definitely. Yeah, that’s… That’s more of, like, what I’m… Trying to figure it out.
158 00:16:27.550 ⇒ 00:16:28.759 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, I…
159 00:16:28.760 ⇒ 00:16:29.390 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
160 00:16:29.960 ⇒ 00:16:34.749 Samuel Roberts: I was looking at something B0 earlier… oh, I was looking at getting, like, yeah.
161 00:16:34.950 ⇒ 00:16:38.059 Samuel Roberts: Part of the thing is we’re using material UI,
162 00:16:38.270 ⇒ 00:16:44.980 Samuel Roberts: Which, like, I don’t know how well that’ll play with something like V0, unfortunately, because that’s, like, shed, CN…
163 00:16:45.550 ⇒ 00:16:47.429 Samuel Roberts: Which is different. That’s almost…
164 00:16:47.430 ⇒ 00:16:52.980 Uttam Kumaran: Alfa brought this up, too, like, whether we want, yeah, Shad CN versus… but yeah, this is kind of like…
165 00:16:53.500 ⇒ 00:17:07.650 Samuel Roberts: my brain a little bit on the front-end side. No, no, I mean, I just ran into this the other day, because I was like, I need a… I needed a multi-select drop-down when I was working on the marketing page, and I was like, this is going to be very useful, because we can eventually use, like, it… use it for, like, participants and stuff on the main…
166 00:17:07.810 ⇒ 00:17:17.829 Samuel Roberts: you know, meetings page, because right now you can only pick one, and if you can pick two, that would be, you know, better. And so I was like, alright, let’s componentize this, and I was like, yeah, let’s just drop in the sheds again. And then I was like, oh, wait a minute.
167 00:17:17.930 ⇒ 00:17:23.630 Samuel Roberts: NUI has its own thing for this, and it’s like that, and like, I didn’t want to mess with it then, but that’s definitely something to consider.
168 00:17:23.760 ⇒ 00:17:31.879 Samuel Roberts: And magic patterns I have not played around with, but I really want to, to see how it is. Because I’ve seen some things you guys, or at least you have… you’ve done some.
169 00:17:31.880 ⇒ 00:17:36.779 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, dude, you should… you should take a look at… I didn’t… I didn’t… I gave it zero prompt.
170 00:17:36.950 ⇒ 00:17:45.859 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, so little. And so imagine if you’re, like, isolating a specific… I just showed a demo, and you can watch the demo video from yesterday, but I just showed a demo of, like, what I did, and…
171 00:17:45.860 ⇒ 00:17:48.039 Samuel Roberts: Like, I think it’s super…
172 00:17:48.040 ⇒ 00:18:06.859 Uttam Kumaran: clear that if you were to have a small feature, it could easily not only get designed most of the way there by… by AI, but then also it could get… I think the next piece is, like, like, what if… what if at some point it gets designed, and then I can take it on, like, on the AI team by, like, using Cortex, basically, or something like that, you know?
173 00:18:06.860 ⇒ 00:18:08.179 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah, more definitely.
174 00:18:08.180 ⇒ 00:18:12.040 Uttam Kumaran: That’s what I… that’s… that’s, like, what I’m… I’m interested in exploring.
175 00:18:12.850 ⇒ 00:18:14.540 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, I can… I can…
176 00:18:14.910 ⇒ 00:18:21.580 Samuel Roberts: Dig around a little bit there. Yeah, that makes total sense.
177 00:18:21.580 ⇒ 00:18:22.270 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
178 00:18:23.170 ⇒ 00:18:26.970 Samuel Roberts: Definitely, like, a little bit of a roadmap to get to that kind of wet…
179 00:18:27.120 ⇒ 00:18:28.730 Samuel Roberts: people in the code.
180 00:18:28.730 ⇒ 00:18:31.239 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I just don’t think we’re ever gonna get, like…
181 00:18:31.560 ⇒ 00:18:35.180 Uttam Kumaran: 10 people working internally, like, I don’t think that’s a short-term thing.
182 00:18:35.180 ⇒ 00:18:35.670 Samuel Roberts: No, no.
183 00:18:35.670 ⇒ 00:18:43.090 Uttam Kumaran: That is what we need, right? To ship all the… to ship all our backlog. And so, like, what is our… what… how do we do that, you know, right now?
184 00:18:43.090 ⇒ 00:18:49.669 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I mean, I might push back a little bit and say, like, even, like, the three of us with some time is, like, if things are…
185 00:18:50.030 ⇒ 00:18:52.080 Samuel Roberts: Are fleshed out enough.
186 00:18:54.130 ⇒ 00:19:06.119 Samuel Roberts: that’s definitely, like, you know, if there’s a UI visualization, and, like, we can then spend some time grooming the ticket to be, like, more technical, I think we can definitely move a lot faster with, you know, the three of us.
187 00:19:06.820 ⇒ 00:19:10.019 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I’m game for that if you think it’s possible, like.
188 00:19:10.020 ⇒ 00:19:15.650 Samuel Roberts: I think it’s… I wouldn’t say do one or the other. I definitely want other people to be able to…
189 00:19:16.070 ⇒ 00:19:22.180 Samuel Roberts: You know, demo, prototype, get things that… get things working there, and then, like, we jump in to, like, finish it off.
190 00:19:22.180 ⇒ 00:19:26.919 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m not… I don’t think this is, like… I don’t think this is gonna work, like, day one.
191 00:19:27.120 ⇒ 00:19:27.760 Samuel Roberts: No, no, no.
192 00:19:27.760 ⇒ 00:19:40.070 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think it’s ever gonna be, like, everybody’s doing end-to-end. This is actually what I don’t like about the narrative in AI, is, like, I think there still is, like, design has to sign off, AI has to push the final PR and review, but, like.
193 00:19:40.340 ⇒ 00:19:44.759 Uttam Kumaran: Even if… even if you guys, like, even, frankly, if you can enable me to ship.
194 00:19:44.760 ⇒ 00:19:45.400 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
195 00:19:45.400 ⇒ 00:19:56.369 Uttam Kumaran: features, like, because I have a product background, so I can… I can totally do the design, and then if I can get you 80% of a PR, like, you now add an extra, probably, 10 hours a week of capacity.
196 00:19:56.370 ⇒ 00:19:58.160 Samuel Roberts: That’s exactly… yeah, no, I agree.
197 00:19:58.540 ⇒ 00:20:00.040 Samuel Roberts: parallel to be pushing, kind of.
198 00:20:00.040 ⇒ 00:20:00.850 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
199 00:20:01.340 ⇒ 00:20:05.139 Samuel Roberts: And then we’re getting there with, like, the ticket grooming and stuff.
200 00:20:05.140 ⇒ 00:20:05.570 Uttam Kumaran: Totally.
201 00:20:05.570 ⇒ 00:20:13.930 Samuel Roberts: you know, definitely getting better, because a lot of those ones in the backlog have very little context, and you know, I couldn’t jump in and even do it right now if I wanted to, because I just don’t know what the…
202 00:20:14.370 ⇒ 00:20:17.510 Samuel Roberts: the total need was, and how to, you know… but I think…
203 00:20:17.630 ⇒ 00:20:21.839 Samuel Roberts: Pushing these in parallel, where we clean up the code a bit, we…
204 00:20:22.160 ⇒ 00:20:36.289 Samuel Roberts: make use of more, yeah, design magic pattern sort of stuff. Even V0, like, if V0’s a better way to get people into the code, it could be worth the migration from MUI over time.
205 00:20:36.290 ⇒ 00:20:36.890 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
206 00:20:37.650 ⇒ 00:20:43.139 Samuel Roberts: Like, it… because it just… it does enable people to do more with less technical, you know.
207 00:20:43.660 ⇒ 00:20:55.960 Samuel Roberts: experience than if you have to, like, read the docs for MUI, or we have to pass that all into cursor, like, I’m just not sure about that yet. And then, yeah, I think… I think as long as we’re kind of moving in parallel, like, even cleaning up the code will help us move faster, and, like.
208 00:20:56.100 ⇒ 00:21:01.310 Samuel Roberts: Well-groomed tickets, or well-groomed requirements from non-technical people.
209 00:21:01.610 ⇒ 00:21:16.719 Samuel Roberts: They’ll definitely, like, let us, you know, either say, like, yeah, take a stab at it, here’s what you need to look at, or, okay, yeah, we can knock that out in, you know, an hour or two, whereas it might take you 4 hours to get 80%, kind of. But I think working on both of those in parallel is… is gonna…
210 00:21:16.950 ⇒ 00:21:24.149 Samuel Roberts: elevate everything. I wouldn’t want to just be like, nope, we don’t want to touch the code, or yeah, feel free, kind of thing. It’s definitely like a…
211 00:21:24.330 ⇒ 00:21:26.019 Samuel Roberts: parallel thing.
212 00:21:26.020 ⇒ 00:21:38.349 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I think what… this week, what I’m gonna do is I’m gonna… I have two ideas that I wanna ship. I’m gonna run through the process of, like, trying on magic patterns, and then I’m either gonna use Cortex or Cursor, and I’ll document
213 00:21:38.830 ⇒ 00:21:39.689 Uttam Kumaran: The white one.
214 00:21:39.810 ⇒ 00:21:40.930 Uttam Kumaran: Happens.
215 00:21:42.550 ⇒ 00:21:53.959 Uttam Kumaran: And then that’ll be a good, like, test of, like, okay, what needs to happen. And I’ll try my best, like… again, I know a little bit of front-end, but, like, for me, it’s like, if I can’t get it done, there’s no way…
216 00:21:53.960 ⇒ 00:21:58.739 Samuel Roberts: Exactly, exactly. For anyone else to, so that’s, like, kind of what I want to figure out, so…
217 00:21:58.960 ⇒ 00:22:03.850 Samuel Roberts: And that’ll help us figure out, like, what cursor rules are important to, like, keep things enforced certain ways, and…
218 00:22:03.990 ⇒ 00:22:12.510 Samuel Roberts: you know, things that we’re just kind of doing right now because we know a little bit more about it. But even then, like, there’s definitely things that can be enforced at a better level.
219 00:22:12.620 ⇒ 00:22:13.469 Samuel Roberts: for us to.
220 00:22:13.470 ⇒ 00:22:14.170 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
221 00:22:14.370 ⇒ 00:22:17.960 Samuel Roberts: keep our sanity inside the code. So yeah, I think that’s good.
222 00:22:18.750 ⇒ 00:22:19.360 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
223 00:22:21.250 ⇒ 00:22:30.519 Samuel Roberts: Alright, I gotta run to that ABC, hopefully they’re still there. And then, yeah, I’ll take a swing at that, Foam Pro Omni stuff.
224 00:22:30.940 ⇒ 00:22:36.410 Samuel Roberts: Probably after this call, or after my ABC, and I’ll prioritize that for the immediate.
225 00:22:36.540 ⇒ 00:22:39.560 Samuel Roberts: And then, yeah, I think I’m good.
226 00:22:40.120 ⇒ 00:22:42.019 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, alright, perfect. Thank you, dude.
227 00:22:42.020 ⇒ 00:22:45.340 Samuel Roberts: Alright, yeah, thank you, appreciate the time. Alright, bye.