Meeting Title: ABC | backlog grooming Date: 2025-10-01 Meeting participants: Mustafa Raja, Samuel Roberts, Amber Lin
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1 00:00:12.000 ⇒ 00:00:12.970 Samuel Roberts: Hey.
2 00:00:15.050 ⇒ 00:00:15.600 Mustafa Raja: Hey.
3 00:00:19.720 ⇒ 00:00:20.719 Samuel Roberts: How are you?
4 00:00:25.580 ⇒ 00:00:26.960 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’m doing good, how are you?
5 00:00:28.480 ⇒ 00:00:29.120 Samuel Roberts: The honor.
6 00:00:43.140 ⇒ 00:00:44.440 Samuel Roberts: What have you been working on?
7 00:00:48.930 ⇒ 00:00:50.640 Mustafa Raja: Mostly default.
8 00:00:51.570 ⇒ 00:00:52.710 Samuel Roberts: Okay, cool.
9 00:00:52.710 ⇒ 00:00:57.019 Mustafa Raja: and insomnia for the things I,
10 00:00:58.440 ⇒ 00:01:00.910 Mustafa Raja: Needed to backfill some things after the meeting.
11 00:01:01.280 ⇒ 00:01:03.790 Samuel Roberts: Since we got the Braze Axis.
12 00:01:04.690 ⇒ 00:01:06.130 Samuel Roberts: Right, right. Alright, cool.
13 00:01:06.900 ⇒ 00:01:08.170 Amber Lin: Hello.
14 00:01:09.160 ⇒ 00:01:09.510 Mustafa Raja: Hey.
15 00:01:10.070 ⇒ 00:01:24.210 Amber Lin: I know the transcript work is paused, I just want to see if the form is ready to use, because we got some feedback, and they’re saying, oh, this infector should be there, this should be there. I was wondering if I can use it or not.
16 00:01:26.670 ⇒ 00:01:27.800 Samuel Roberts: The update form?
17 00:01:27.990 ⇒ 00:01:28.540 Amber Lin: Yeah.
18 00:01:29.680 ⇒ 00:01:32.919 Samuel Roberts: That Casey made. Oh, yeah, I think Casey Fitch will be good.
19 00:01:32.920 ⇒ 00:01:35.450 Amber Lin: Is there a link to it?
20 00:01:35.940 ⇒ 00:01:37.540 Amber Lin: I couldn’t find the link.
21 00:01:37.540 ⇒ 00:01:40.099 Samuel Roberts: That is a good question,
22 00:01:41.110 ⇒ 00:01:48.690 Samuel Roberts: he probably sent it to me somewhere, let me check. Or I posted it on Linear, maybe?
23 00:01:49.510 ⇒ 00:01:51.509 Samuel Roberts: Let me go to ABC Tickets…
24 00:01:56.570 ⇒ 00:01:57.730 Samuel Roberts: substantial elimination.
25 00:02:01.800 ⇒ 00:02:09.870 Samuel Roberts: Update… Or… That looks old.
26 00:02:14.100 ⇒ 00:02:15.919 Samuel Roberts: I don’t remember where this ticket was…
27 00:02:18.520 ⇒ 00:02:23.790 Samuel Roberts: Update form demo. Okay, that’s not good, but let’s see if we can see the URL in there, and I can probably find it in.
28 00:02:23.790 ⇒ 00:02:24.460 Amber Lin: Okay.
29 00:02:29.440 ⇒ 00:02:33.609 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, Brain Forre… oh boy, no, it’s some big jumble. Okay.
30 00:02:36.760 ⇒ 00:02:40.779 Samuel Roberts: our form link. Oh, it’s right there. Nevermind, I looked right past it.
31 00:02:42.790 ⇒ 00:02:46.490 Samuel Roberts: Alright, here, let me, I’ll sock it to you.
32 00:02:51.240 ⇒ 00:02:52.930 Samuel Roberts: Okay, where?
33 00:03:04.690 ⇒ 00:03:06.360 Samuel Roberts: I think that should be the update form.
34 00:03:07.290 ⇒ 00:03:08.220 Amber Lin: Okay.
35 00:03:08.380 ⇒ 00:03:11.109 Amber Lin: In Slack, right?
36 00:03:11.640 ⇒ 00:03:12.830 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, sorry, in Slack.
37 00:03:14.940 ⇒ 00:03:22.580 Amber Lin: Let me see… In our… A PC channel?
38 00:03:23.210 ⇒ 00:03:25.620 Samuel Roberts: I slacked it to you, sorry, I could put in ABC, but you’re right.
39 00:03:25.620 ⇒ 00:03:26.460 Amber Lin: Oh!
40 00:03:26.670 ⇒ 00:03:29.000 Samuel Roberts: Oh my god, I also didn’t hit send. Sorry, I forget.
41 00:03:30.270 ⇒ 00:03:37.969 Samuel Roberts: Command-Enter sometimes, half the time I don’t send something, but I figure that’s sometimes better than… Sending it half-baked.
42 00:03:38.050 ⇒ 00:03:39.000 Amber Lin: Yeah.
43 00:03:39.140 ⇒ 00:03:40.400 Samuel Roberts: Something like that.
44 00:03:40.750 ⇒ 00:03:46.940 Samuel Roberts: That’s all good, so I would… I’ll go watch his video, and I think I know how to use this. Yeah. So this is just…
45 00:03:46.940 ⇒ 00:03:49.859 Amber Lin: The ad form?
46 00:03:50.450 ⇒ 00:03:52.609 Samuel Roberts: This is the update form. So what this is gonna do…
47 00:03:52.610 ⇒ 00:03:53.020 Amber Lin: Oh.
48 00:03:53.020 ⇒ 00:03:57.340 Samuel Roberts: is Take whatever user… Or,
49 00:03:57.470 ⇒ 00:03:59.389 Samuel Roberts: Whatever name you put in there.
50 00:03:59.920 ⇒ 00:04:00.550 Amber Lin: Huh.
51 00:04:01.060 ⇒ 00:04:07.620 Samuel Roberts: And it’s gonna find all of the, roll, branches, zips.
52 00:04:08.100 ⇒ 00:04:10.730 Samuel Roberts: And then it’s gonna reassign them all,
53 00:04:15.150 ⇒ 00:04:20.010 Samuel Roberts: This is actually good to test it out, because it’s a little… confusing.
54 00:04:22.490 ⇒ 00:04:32.549 Amber Lin: Yeah, eventually, for updates, we would just include what they’re currently in, but they feel like that’s harder, because we need to add a query to that form.
55 00:04:32.600 ⇒ 00:04:37.440 Samuel Roberts: That’s the problem with the N8… yeah, sorry, the N8N forms, is we can’t really…
56 00:04:38.590 ⇒ 00:04:39.140 Amber Lin: Yeah.
57 00:04:39.140 ⇒ 00:04:45.449 Samuel Roberts: do that on the fly? So we could… I knew we could.
58 00:04:45.450 ⇒ 00:04:52.620 Amber Lin: We can always ask… we can always ask them to, hey, ask Andy for all the zips, and then we’ll just edit off of that.
59 00:04:54.270 ⇒ 00:04:57.999 Amber Lin: Yeah, I’ll test it today with Janiece, I’m meeting with her in a bit.
60 00:04:58.000 ⇒ 00:05:02.489 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, this is what I was asking her about the other day, like, how do they use it.
61 00:05:03.390 ⇒ 00:05:08.069 Amber Lin: How do they expect to be using it? So, if this isn’t quite right, we can definitely tweak it.
62 00:05:08.070 ⇒ 00:05:09.319 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know if we can…
63 00:05:09.440 ⇒ 00:05:14.250 Samuel Roberts: Mustafa, do you have a good sense of… N8n forms.
64 00:05:16.180 ⇒ 00:05:18.300 Mustafa Raja: Oh yeah, I’ve used a few.
65 00:05:19.660 ⇒ 00:05:26.349 Samuel Roberts: Is it, how… because I… I don’t know if we can pass it dynamic data.
66 00:05:27.090 ⇒ 00:05:28.310 Mustafa Raja: No, no, we’re gonna…
67 00:05:28.680 ⇒ 00:05:30.130 Samuel Roberts: Okay, I thought of my thought.
68 00:05:30.130 ⇒ 00:05:40.480 Mustafa Raja: the fields… the fields will always be pre-decided. Now, I don’t know if they addicted anything in them, but I guess it’s…
69 00:05:40.610 ⇒ 00:05:44.170 Mustafa Raja: 7, 8 months ago, and… Yeah.
70 00:05:44.310 ⇒ 00:05:47.090 Mustafa Raja: the… Cleanings will be static.
71 00:05:47.920 ⇒ 00:05:48.580 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
72 00:05:48.770 ⇒ 00:05:55.300 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so basically… Yeah, you put in the name, you put in the role.
73 00:05:55.990 ⇒ 00:06:04.210 Samuel Roberts: You select a branch, and then select the zips, and then when you hit submit, it goes to the next form where you select the,
74 00:06:04.880 ⇒ 00:06:07.840 Samuel Roberts: what is it called? Service, I think.
75 00:06:12.070 ⇒ 00:06:19.929 Samuel Roberts: So, yeah, it’s not perfect because of the limitations of the NAN, but try it out, see how it goes. It should be logging all the changes now, let me…
76 00:06:20.680 ⇒ 00:06:22.420 Samuel Roberts: Double check and make sure it is.
77 00:06:23.740 ⇒ 00:06:26.280 Amber Lin: Yeah, is there a place I can see the updates?
78 00:06:28.050 ⇒ 00:06:28.600 Amber Lin: Actually, let me…
79 00:06:28.600 ⇒ 00:06:28.920 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
80 00:06:28.920 ⇒ 00:06:30.930 Amber Lin: His ticket, it should be in the.
81 00:06:30.930 ⇒ 00:06:37.709 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, watch the, I don’t know if he showed that, but there definitely is.
82 00:06:37.710 ⇒ 00:06:44.069 Amber Lin: Oh, I see, you gave feedback, I think it’s not in the spreadsheet or anything, it’s still in the DB.
83 00:06:46.590 ⇒ 00:06:47.660 Samuel Roberts: Sorry, repeat that?
84 00:06:47.660 ⇒ 00:07:01.200 Amber Lin: I think… I was looking at his ticket for the logs. I think everything… we’re logging it in Superbase, most likely, mostly meaning that the client can’t see this, because they do not know how to use Superbase.
85 00:07:01.310 ⇒ 00:07:03.989 Samuel Roberts: Right, but Andy’s hooked up to that now, so…
86 00:07:05.380 ⇒ 00:07:10.889 Amber Lin: Oh, so does that mean I can ask Andy for what changes has been made?
87 00:07:11.910 ⇒ 00:07:15.450 Samuel Roberts: No, I think what he’s just looking at…
88 00:07:15.630 ⇒ 00:07:18.579 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, sorry, let me, let me… do you have Superbase access?
89 00:07:19.220 ⇒ 00:07:22.899 Amber Lin: I had a long time ago, have noted.
90 00:07:22.900 ⇒ 00:07:27.909 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, I just, I’m not sure where the assignments is…
91 00:07:28.350 ⇒ 00:07:30.829 Samuel Roberts: So it’s a little confusing,
92 00:07:34.560 ⇒ 00:07:40.239 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I don’t know. Trying to see where the log history is.
93 00:07:43.930 ⇒ 00:07:47.659 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, there it is. Okay, so there’s a table here of all the changes over time.
94 00:07:55.060 ⇒ 00:07:59.480 Mustafa Raja: If we have… if we have a created, column, Andy should be able to…
95 00:07:59.960 ⇒ 00:08:03.860 Mustafa Raja: Query that and see which ones were created on certain date.
96 00:08:04.770 ⇒ 00:08:09.709 Samuel Roberts: That’s true, yeah, we… yeah, so we also have the… the log of the changes, but…
97 00:08:09.860 ⇒ 00:08:17.359 Samuel Roberts: The assignments, definitely, we can query by assigned date, it looks like, or sort by assigned date, at least.
98 00:08:21.920 ⇒ 00:08:23.360 Samuel Roberts: Oh, so many.
99 00:08:25.260 ⇒ 00:08:26.690 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, 927, okay.
100 00:08:28.210 ⇒ 00:08:29.320 Samuel Roberts: It’s a little…
101 00:08:29.680 ⇒ 00:08:36.749 Samuel Roberts: hard to view in Superbase, because it’s all linked and stuff, but… Yeah, I think I’ll just make a ticket for when Casey comes back.
102 00:08:36.750 ⇒ 00:08:43.620 Amber Lin: I will… Let’s see… So… What?
103 00:08:43.620 ⇒ 00:08:44.670 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, what do you, what do you need?
104 00:08:45.520 ⇒ 00:08:57.120 Amber Lin: somewhere that we can read… that we can read it, or, I guess, search by who… maybe who made the assignment, what date it is. Let me just write it down. Date…
105 00:08:58.520 ⇒ 00:09:10.529 Amber Lin: I’ll be able to… By date… Person… who submitted…
106 00:09:10.950 ⇒ 00:09:13.570 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I don’t think we’re keeping track of the submission, even, yeah.
107 00:09:13.990 ⇒ 00:09:16.540 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, who then changes.
108 00:09:18.060 ⇒ 00:09:19.400 Amber Lin: Made.
109 00:09:22.390 ⇒ 00:09:29.459 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that’s all… the changes made are in there, the operations are all in there, so, like, add, update, all that stuff is here.
110 00:09:29.460 ⇒ 00:09:34.579 Amber Lin: The add, delete, update, are they separate forms?
111 00:09:35.580 ⇒ 00:09:39.010 Samuel Roberts: Yes, there’s an add form, a delete form, and an update form.
112 00:09:39.720 ⇒ 00:09:45.780 Amber Lin: Is there a way we can combine it and make the add, delete, update into, like, check boxes?
113 00:09:46.090 ⇒ 00:09:52.660 Amber Lin: where drop-down selects. I think sometimes people are going to get mixed up.
114 00:09:53.330 ⇒ 00:09:56.839 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think this is the issue with N8N, to be honest. I don’t…
115 00:09:57.500 ⇒ 00:10:02.320 Samuel Roberts: There might be a way to do that, but they kind of take different things, I think. Like…
116 00:10:03.060 ⇒ 00:10:12.770 Samuel Roberts: You add… you’re putting everything in, delete, you’re just selecting things to remove, and then update, you’re adding different things. You’re deleting and adding at the same time, so, like…
117 00:10:13.130 ⇒ 00:10:14.210 Amber Lin: Yeah.
118 00:10:15.670 ⇒ 00:10:21.759 Samuel Roberts: We can… I don’t know if we can do… Conditional, like, form fields, but…
119 00:10:22.760 ⇒ 00:10:25.690 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I didn’t know that. Okay.
120 00:10:26.020 ⇒ 00:10:27.540 Samuel Roberts: Dan,
121 00:10:30.730 ⇒ 00:10:37.529 Samuel Roberts: what we… I mean, the real solution here is to build a, like, kind of bespoke interface that can handle all this.
122 00:10:38.000 ⇒ 00:10:44.610 Samuel Roberts: Probably not crazy hard, because Superbase has a pretty good… Sdk…
123 00:10:44.770 ⇒ 00:10:48.279 Samuel Roberts: For interacting with it from, like, even front-end stuff.
124 00:10:48.720 ⇒ 00:10:52.580 Samuel Roberts: But then we’re hosting something somewhere for them, and have to keep track of that, you know?
125 00:10:53.350 ⇒ 00:10:54.450 Amber Lin: Let’s see.
126 00:10:54.450 ⇒ 00:10:58.329 Samuel Roberts: That’s kind of what I was thinking, like, if the next thing goes forward, we could fold that into the…
127 00:10:58.920 ⇒ 00:11:00.720 Samuel Roberts: kind of new UI.
128 00:11:00.720 ⇒ 00:11:09.159 Amber Lin: Yeah, I see. Okay, so we’ll just use separate forms for now, and then once we get the go-ahead or don’t go ahead, we’ll see if we need a separate form.
129 00:11:09.400 ⇒ 00:11:10.350 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, and also…
130 00:11:10.350 ⇒ 00:11:11.430 Amber Lin: it for a bit.
131 00:11:12.350 ⇒ 00:11:14.809 Samuel Roberts: Handle this, the, the separate form?
132 00:11:14.810 ⇒ 00:11:16.509 Amber Lin: Three separate forms, yeah.
133 00:11:18.860 ⇒ 00:11:20.150 Samuel Roberts: Will you want to combine them?
134 00:11:20.300 ⇒ 00:11:20.910 Samuel Roberts: I’m confused.
135 00:11:20.910 ⇒ 00:11:23.480 Amber Lin: Ideally, ideally, yes. It’s just…
136 00:11:23.480 ⇒ 00:11:24.490 Samuel Roberts: The client’s gonna give…
137 00:11:24.490 ⇒ 00:11:25.850 Amber Lin: Very confused.
138 00:11:25.850 ⇒ 00:11:31.340 Samuel Roberts: We could do that, and we could host a new thing. I don’t know exactly what that would look like, cause…
139 00:11:31.340 ⇒ 00:11:31.680 Amber Lin: I see.
140 00:11:31.680 ⇒ 00:11:37.040 Samuel Roberts: With that, you could populate all the data and everything, and you could have people, like, check boxes and delete, like, there’s a lot.
141 00:11:37.040 ⇒ 00:11:37.830 Amber Lin: Yeah.
142 00:11:37.830 ⇒ 00:11:39.829 Samuel Roberts: into there.
143 00:11:40.180 ⇒ 00:11:54.520 Amber Lin: I see. Oh, do you think we can… we can even start with a link with 3 hyperlinks? That’s add, delete, and update? I just want it to be in the same place, because the client’s gonna be so confused.
144 00:11:56.290 ⇒ 00:12:02.170 Amber Lin: Well, I get… you know what, I’ll just… I’ll get 3… I’ll get the three links, I’ll put it in a Google Doc and send it to them.
145 00:12:02.170 ⇒ 00:12:05.099 Samuel Roberts: Okay, that’s probably the best. I was gonna say, we don’t have anywhere to, like, host that right now.
146 00:12:05.110 ⇒ 00:12:05.820 Amber Lin: Okay.
147 00:12:05.820 ⇒ 00:12:13.110 Samuel Roberts: We can make something, but anything we make is gonna have to be, like, hosted on Heroku, and then it’s gonna be custom, and at that point, we might as well just make a new form. So yeah.
148 00:12:13.110 ⇒ 00:12:13.530 Amber Lin: Yeah.
149 00:12:13.530 ⇒ 00:12:14.419 Samuel Roberts: Google Docs is good.
150 00:12:14.420 ⇒ 00:12:16.239 Amber Lin: I’ll just make a quick talk.
151 00:12:16.430 ⇒ 00:12:22.469 Samuel Roberts: But definitely get feedback on this, because I know this update one especially is confusing, and I don’t like it, as is.
152 00:12:22.470 ⇒ 00:12:23.030 Amber Lin: Okay.
153 00:12:23.030 ⇒ 00:12:25.939 Samuel Roberts: Like, it’s kind of the best we can do with N8M, but that’s about it.
154 00:12:25.990 ⇒ 00:12:27.530 Amber Lin: Yeah, okay.
155 00:12:28.100 ⇒ 00:12:38.040 Amber Lin: I see. And, I have the update form link. Do we have the add and delete form link?
156 00:12:38.480 ⇒ 00:12:40.040 Samuel Roberts: Those are probably in Slack.
157 00:12:40.740 ⇒ 00:12:41.090 Amber Lin: Okay.
158 00:12:41.090 ⇒ 00:12:43.720 Samuel Roberts: I assume he posted them there somewhere way back?
159 00:12:45.180 ⇒ 00:12:49.390 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, let me…
160 00:12:49.920 ⇒ 00:12:51.220 Amber Lin: Let me check…
161 00:12:51.850 ⇒ 00:12:58.470 Samuel Roberts: I see the Loom video, I see the… Insert to DB…
162 00:13:04.910 ⇒ 00:13:11.520 Amber Lin: Yeah, I’ll go search for it. That’s mainly the, like, the main concern. I have to call them in 2 minutes, so I will go.
163 00:13:11.520 ⇒ 00:13:12.270 Samuel Roberts: Oh, okay.
164 00:13:12.270 ⇒ 00:13:14.049 Amber Lin: Get feedback for the update form.
165 00:13:14.660 ⇒ 00:13:18.249 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I get that. I can try to find other forms for you real quick and slot them over, if I can…
166 00:13:18.250 ⇒ 00:13:18.930 Amber Lin: Yeah.
167 00:13:20.170 ⇒ 00:13:21.820 Samuel Roberts: Let me check this one.
168 00:13:22.690 ⇒ 00:13:24.409 Samuel Roberts: And actually, you know what I might be able to do?
169 00:13:24.870 ⇒ 00:13:29.550 Samuel Roberts: find them in NHN, because they’re probably all the same workspace, so let me… I just…
170 00:13:29.550 ⇒ 00:13:30.180 Amber Lin: Yeah.
171 00:13:30.180 ⇒ 00:13:32.690 Samuel Roberts: If I can identify that workspace, we’re good.
172 00:13:33.100 ⇒ 00:13:33.750 Amber Lin: Okay.
173 00:13:35.040 ⇒ 00:13:40.509 Samuel Roberts: ABC… Client, catch feedback.
174 00:13:43.280 ⇒ 00:13:45.390 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
175 00:13:46.440 ⇒ 00:13:48.550 Amber Lin: I found the deletion form.
176 00:13:49.490 ⇒ 00:13:51.780 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, I think I have the forms here, too.
177 00:13:52.090 ⇒ 00:13:53.040 Amber Lin: Yeah, okay.
178 00:13:53.660 ⇒ 00:13:57.230 Samuel Roberts: So you have the deletion, you need the insert early on. Yes.
179 00:13:57.460 ⇒ 00:13:59.420 Samuel Roberts: Okay, let me get that URL for you.
180 00:14:00.570 ⇒ 00:14:06.490 Samuel Roberts: On form submission, production URL is this… okay.
181 00:14:06.790 ⇒ 00:14:10.220 Samuel Roberts: I’ll add that to the ABC channel real quick, so that we all have it.
182 00:14:11.310 ⇒ 00:14:12.260 Amber Lin: Alright.
183 00:14:20.250 ⇒ 00:14:21.090 Amber Lin: Okay.
184 00:14:21.260 ⇒ 00:14:21.940 Amber Lin: Got it.
185 00:14:21.940 ⇒ 00:14:25.579 Samuel Roberts: Sure, I made sure that actually worked, but I need to make sure it loads the right thing. Alright.
186 00:14:26.950 ⇒ 00:14:29.190 Amber Lin: Okay, that’s all, I’m gonna hop.
187 00:14:29.360 ⇒ 00:14:30.600 Amber Lin: To the other meeting. Okay.
188 00:14:31.390 ⇒ 00:14:31.950 Samuel Roberts: Yep.
189 00:14:32.540 ⇒ 00:14:33.090 Amber Lin: Bye.
190 00:14:33.340 ⇒ 00:14:34.040 Samuel Roberts: Bye.