Meeting Title: Brainforge x Lilo Social Date: Nov 13 Meeting participants: Zac Fromson
Transcript:
Them: The markups on them are ridiculous. Or part of a larger package. Or just like some of the software. Right. Triple Whale has certain features, like Moby, for example. I built my own Moby, and that was kind of their first piece of what we built. Their cost is just ridiculous. You kind of have to go in their program platform, and I want to be able to have these tools to work across. An enterprise level brand as well as an SMB or a mid market brand. And I can’t come to every brand that we work in. You need lifetime. You need this. You need this report. And they’re saying, I’m like, all right, on top of me. You need another 7,000 to me. Then that’s even more.
Me: I’m in the same way. Like, that’s why when I asked, like, months, I’m like, we operate on like one week sprints.
Them: Yeah.
Me: So on. Like, on Monday, I’m like, I, for example, in my business.
Them: We need a push, and I’m like, I want you to vibe code. I want you to use. I don’t give a shit if your margin.
Me: No, I’m just saying, hey, I don’t care.
Them: I don’t care. I have a budget that I’m happy to kind of work on and try to figure out how to fit within our budgets.
Me: Yeah.
Them: But I’d rather just pay you for the outcomes, not. The output per se, on the hourly basis. And these guys are, like, scoping us an hour. And I’m like. It’s just funky, honestly.
Me: Y. Eah. For sure. No. It’s also just what happens in IT consulting. And like, my background is not in consulting. Like, I’m. I’m an engineer. Like, led sort of engineering teams. But also like, we’re using AI in this very similar manner. And so on Monday, for example, I go to our AI team. I said, I want an assistant to help us generate more case studies. And so you need to build me something that pings. One of our engineers tells them marketing can pick set up a low case study, then ping them. They can come in and do a case study interview with an AI.
Them: Yeah.
Me: And then it gets sent back to marketing to create a case study artifact. Because we’ve done so much work and that we’re not, like, building case studies fast enough. So they’ve done that now in, like, five days. It’s basically gonna go out tomorrow. And so. But that’s the pace of that I’ve been pushing for internally that I would love. Be able to help you guys to do. And I think, I think we’re kind of like probably doing very similar things and like trying to build the kind of detect enabled agency and we’re starting to do this exact type of work for clients. You know, it’s funny because we rarely find people that are sort of in that same mindset of identify that usually they’re like, oh, I can just help my team use ChatGPT more or build, like, a little N8N thing. I think they’re thinking about it, like, the right way. And I would say it’s pretty rare. We’ve talked to people all day. It’s very rare to see that. So at least you’re on the right direction, I’m telling you. But you are going to find it hard because you’re going to see a lot of old dev agencies that are themselves not used to even developing software like this. They’re used to like, ok, we need a Sprint and then we need a pm, and then we need the tickets. I’m like, guys, you have, like, on Monday, I’m going to tell you this. On Wednesday, I want to see a demo of something you could be running on your machine or I don’t care. And then let’s have a feedback, and then that way on Thursday we could do a pre demo and then on Friday we ship it to the company. And that’s a week long sprint is more on which, given the pace of stuff. Is like what we’re doing, it’s working.
Them: Cool. Yeah, it sounds awesome. And honestly, kind of like what we’re looking to hopefully find in our next partner. I don’t. Want to. We have what’s. Bill. I’d love to have you guys. You guys are going to have to take a look at what we have. And some of the other things I want to build have nothing to do with other features.
Me: Give me a sense. I know this all is kind of going around reporting, but give me a sense of what else is on your roadmap or backlog.
Them: Yeah. I mean, I can show you the product I have today. I can show you some of the roadmap of some of this stuff I’ve mapped out. I have, like, a whole. I basically built forecasting in an Excel sheet.
Me: Please.
Them: I’ve used ChatGPT to then visualize dashboards for this thing so I can walk you through next steps.
Me: Cool.
Them: But I can show you what the product is today. And some of this stuff, again, has nothing to do with other pieces. But basically, this is more like our agent. So there was a tool called Rayleon that was like an email marketing assistant. I’ve seen movie. Right. And these tools were just. We talked to both of them, and it’s too expensive. So essentially, I’ve built hubs for each of my brands. I have a little funky, messy, but basically all of our brands in here. You can set up new brands. Let’s hop into.
Me: Do you know anything about the back end? What technology you’re using to host and build. Okay? We’ll figure.
Them: It. It’s on some aws server.
Me: Sure.
Them: It’s on their server. They’re, like, hosting it. They’re not holding me hostage, but they’re charging me kind of. I want to get in my own AWS instance. We run security immediately. Charged.
Me: Yeah.
Them: I’m being ripped right now, so I need to get off that. As, like a step one.
Me: Okay?
Them: They haven’t been invoicing me for that, and they just sent me the first invoice, and I’m like. They’re, like, trying to tell me not to, and I’m like,
Me: You saw that we should. But again, it’s like it’s something where you should, but.
Them: I’m moving to my own nsen. It’s like they just haven’t yet. Long story short, we hook up in an agent so every brand we can essentially integrate meta, Google, Shopify, Slack is just if we want updates and then these are basically to pull in for each Klaviyo is living here, but basically it’s an API key. It just needs to get moved over and then just a lot of this ngin is open n API keys. I just make an API key for every brand for anthropic just so I can watch billing on the back end.
Me: Yeah.
Them: For all the calls. Reports just a couple inputs of revenue goals, total budget.
Me: Logging in? Or is this for your folks to log in on behalf of them?
Them: This is for us.
Me: Okay, okay. Okay?
Them: This is like some of our own agents as well. So essentially, I can set up my revenue goals, my total budget, my meta and my Google pay setting that automates into Slack. I can show you what the Slack snapshots look like. But that’s essentially like the Slack updates that we have. There’s probably a couple of things we can build off and into that, but that’s kind of like our base framework. A couple integrations are set up here, but if I went to, like, start a new chat, for example, We can ask it anything. So let’s. Let’s just work on Klaviyo. Last campaign set. And how did it do? Some more last week in query. I could ask it more complex things on this. This is pretty simple, but I could be like, hey, could I get a report for the last seven days? What went well? What didn’t go well?
Me: This. Is pretty. Cool. Sure.
Them: What could I do to improve next week and run some recommendations?
Me: When you handle this off to the team, were you giving them the questions, or were you giving them, like, basically past things that you were, like, wearing?
Them: Something’s not working here. Let me try a different brand. But, yeah, so we came to them with quite a bit. Whereas we do mcp. They basically built their. But you can hook it up into Claude. So many issues with it.
Me: Okay?
Them: I don’t know what’s going on here, but I guess generally you get the point. The other pieces in a second. But long story short, it just wasn’t working. You can only connect one brand at a time to mcp. Like, a lot of times, the token limits were breaking. We have 60 klavi. Accounts at the agency, so it’s just so tough for security, giving everyone access. Everyone.
Me: Yeah. You have to do some ingestion and like. Yeah, and a lot of the mcps were finding are like, that, like, you can do basic stuff. But it’s like. Yeah. So you would have to ingest some data and put it somewhere to be able to answer some questions or go fetch that. But again, like. All possible.
Them: Yeah. So I feel really good about it. I’ve tested it against Klaviyo’s mcp, and we had a tool called Rayleon that we’re basically doing the same thing. So I’ve tested against a couple other competitors. Or tools, and I feel.
Me: Cool.
Them: Response is really strong. These are a couple of our reports. I think some of our connectors are broken. I think we’re just like. I think a couple of things got disconnected as we’re just testing some stuff, but basically just getting us some simple snapshot. There’s not a hell of a lot to this. It’s really just really simple data reports that are super useful to my team just to watch how meta accounts are moving and pace.
Me: Yeah. Yeah.
Them: And then in terms of what I want.
Me: Yeah. Roadmap.
Them: Yeah.
Me: Even give me, like. I know. I mean, I know. Psm is coming up. But it’s just holidays in general. Like, give me a sense of, like, what you’re trying to get done. In the next. Let’s just say before December. Like, give me the kind of dream state.
Them: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, vstm, things are a little crazy.
Me: Yeah.
Them: A couple pieces here. I’m trying to finish this up with the Herman agency of kind of where we’re at. Get everything connected they need to finish. The admin for users is still connected to a system they have, so I need them to finish developing user management. Within the system, so it’s own, I guess, complete state, clean up some of the boggles that I have and then we can kind of separate there.
Me: Sure.
Them: Next big thing for us is forecasting. And I have one other piece I really want to do, but forecasting is a big piece. So basically want to get something of this nature built out where we can connect into. Shopify, Google, Meta, Klaviyo. Basically all of our connectors understand what we need, like what we want to hit for a goal for the year, for revenues for brands, and then be able to. Automatically forecast through revenue for them. How much needs come from nu how much needs to come from returning and taking past trends and data. To predict that. So like most brands, obviously crush in November. So taking that into account and understanding what past repeat rates are, what we’ve done historically, and how much we need to pace and spend, how many new customers we need. So I have this equated out from a back end perspective. Second, walk through how this has been developed. This is basically like the forecast builder. So I’ve kind of visualized this in ChatGPT.
Me: Cool.
Them: Kind of like what inputs need to be done. And then if we want to make some adjustments to this of, like, right now, this is, like, linear, but if we want to maybe have some seasonality by month of, like, percentage of revenues, so we can kind of break out a couple pieces here. Then a couple of other just, like, ways to kind of visualize, like, a dashboard of, like, how we’re pacing and how we’re tracking here.
Me: Er. K.
Them: Daily breakouts by day of where we’re at, how we’re pacing. Fall within here on any given month. And then this is basically just on a monthly basis because, again, if, like, we have our targets for the month, if we don’t hit. January targets. I need to refork haps the rest of the year. Or if we beat January targets,
Me: Ids.
Them: Maybe we. Our goal is now going to go up a little bit higher. Right. So there’s some stuff to change, but those are a couple of pieces that I want to build from a forecast perspective. Then there’s something separate here for four Play. Like, trying to build out some creative tools. I don’t know if you’re familiar with Thor Play. It’s like an ad dashboard to, like, aggregate.
Me: Like, yeah, Icon and a bunch of the other ones. Yeah.
Them: Yeah. Exactly in the same space there.
Me: Ex. Actly.
Them: So essentially want to be able to. So this is a completely separate from forecasting, but really want like a static brief creator. We can hook up to the Foreplay API. They have millions of brands, millions of ads. They were like the original ad board builder.
Me: Yeah.
Them: So essentially, you can, like, filter some inspiration, basically put in some text below, and then we can download a PDF from this.
Me: We can. Get a lot of PDF. Oh, great.
Them: Like, we could put in, like, describe what we’re trying to. To generate, and then it can use that brief to pull in creative inspiration. So, like, what? I’d love this to be, like, this would be like an Amra ad, or this would be, you know, symbiotic ad, and then we can, like. Drop some text in for each of these, and then I can download this and spit that out to a designer. So, like, rather than me having to spend have my designers spend hours trying to find inspiration,
Me: Yeah.
Them: People are just stealing other brands ads for, like, some level of their output. So, like, what’s one avenue? It’s like, how can we automate that piece of the process where it takes hours for us to dig through other brands, ad libraries. Find eight to ten great ads. And then be able to write copy for them. So I’d love to have, like, an engine where it’s, like, find inspiration. Have it. Write copy for that template. I can download that and spit it right out. To that. So basically automate, like add scaling more or less from that aspect. We have net news that we have to build, we have videos we have to build. But this is like, what I felt it was over.
Me: This is a whole manufacturing process. Basically, yeah, I’m with you.
Them: Yeah. So that’s kind of where I’m like, this is a hodgepodge of things I’m trying to build, but the system.
Me: But I mean, generally you’re thinking about it the right way in that, like, I think you have these manual processes. One thing that we like to tell other folks is like, it is a human in the LU process, but you have to kind of go after and we basically lay out, like, your workflow and we’re like, we can isolate and tackle this piece and tackle the next piece, and then there’s like, check ins from humans versus. Like what everyone does. They just go to chatgpt and they just try to raw dog, like, the whole thing.
Them: Yeah.
Me: You these, like, UI based workflows still. But they have these, like, checkpoints. And that’s exactly it. But I guess, like, for the question on the forecasting piece, You see that as a. As a standalone application, not only for the inputs of like assumptions. And then also to display the outputs and then to, like, show forecast versus actuals, basically. And it’s like, do that in the system that’s not inputting, like, data into Google sheets. And like having to keep that up to date, okay?
Them: Exactly. Yeah. So, like, right now, we run it all manually out of Google sheets.
Me: Yeah.
Them: Super fucking time. So, like, there’s a tool that came out called orca, and they do forecasting. So we demoed that, and we’re like, holy. This just, like, pulls in the data, it automates it.
Me: So. We get?
Them: They basically, I don’t know a ton about development, so I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure they’re running their entire front end. With, like, maybe python or something like that, and they’re pulling.
Me: Like. That. Orca forecasting. What’s a. How do you spell the company?
Them: Let me say.
Me: Or orca analytics. On shopify.
Them: Potentially. It’s working. Analytics, maybe. So they gave us. So we were like, we. We spun up.
Me: Yeah.
Them: Orca analytics. So we. They basically gave us a sheet. They’re like, here’s your forecast. But it never gave me, like, they have a user interface. When they’re like, here’s a she, then we’re working with them out of a Google sheet.
Me: So. When you get. Your. Market.
Them: To produce what’s in the front end. And then my partner was around in the sheet. There was all these hidden sheets behind there. They had built all these formulas in the sheet, and I think that she is then just being fed into the front end. So I have that entire sheet already built out that we could then just be like, hey, Dev Agency, build this for me instead of paying a couple hundred bucks for each of my brands. And I have you. Know.
Me: Yes. It looks like it’s, like, 600 bucks. And, yeah, they’re just monetizing like, a Google sheet.
Them: Yeah. They’re charging us half of that per brand. But still, it’s like, I’d love to just.
Me: You do like the outputs of this?
Them: This is great. And that’s what.
Me: A good north star. Yeah.
Them: Yeah. I hate to say it, but, like, I guess transparently, like, this is, like, one of their. This is like, their main dashboard. Like, this is verbatim, like, their manufacturer. And I’m like, I just kind of want to rebuild it. I don’t feel bad because.
Me: Because. No, I mean.
Them: I’m not. I don’t.
Me: Their product is not a real product. You know what I mean?
Them: It’s not a real product, so I don’t know if it’s Python or what they’re doing, but I think there’s some sort of scripts they’re running that.
Me: There’s a lot of guys that do this type of thing.
Them: Okay?
Me: Yeah.
Them: So, long story short, like, what I’d love to do is basically take, you know, what I’ve built and stitch, and then be able to just.
Me: Start to add.
Them: Make that a single login for my team, where we can then have admin rights for my team and then compartmentalize everything. So we have our chat bot, we have our forecasters. You could go into a brand, and then you can either have a chat bot for the brand, you can go to Fortnite.
Me: Compart. Ment. We. Have an important council. Can I give you just a view? I’ll show you exactly what we’ve built.
Them: Yeah.
Me: And it’s honestly very similar. So this is like an internal platform. This is like our platform. So we me with a lot of our brands and we build out agents, client hubs, tools. Like for, you know, my team is working on a stand up assistant because we run standups. And I was like, look, when I run stand up, I have to pull from all these places. I need to pull all of our tickets, all of our last meetings, a bunch of summaries into one place where I can add goals, takes notes. So we’re basically appending modules to this every week. So, for example, they’re working on an agent for case studies. We have other stuff here. So I would say kind of like similar vision and. Exactly. I think what you also want to do is, like, one. I think the risk right now is you don’t have very much insight into the back end of the platform. So that’s tough because you want. I actually want this to end up. One thing I told my team is I want to be able to ship features myself. Like I want you to build the environment in a way where I can work.
Them: I have all the code in a git repo right now.
Me: Cool. Yeah.
Them: I made them give me all.
Me: And I said, like, I want to be able to come in here and be like, I wish I had a bun for this. And your repo is set up in a way where I can vibe code that. Right? And making it more open for more than just, like, the technical people.
Them: Yeah.
Me: To at least, like, another thing is like, I also. We use this other tool called magic patterns to do the design. Because I was like, I’m not a. We have some designers on the team, but I’m like, I want to shift them to my first vision of a design.
Them: Y. Eah.
Me: And then they can polish it and then hand it off to Engineering. But then Engineer can just plug that design into its cursor and get 60% of the way there. As long as you have the endpoints written well, documentation. So, like, that’s how we’re thinking about it? Very similarly.
Them: Yeah. Awesome. Cool. Yeah, I mean, I know. I mean, you don’t think what I’m kind of building here is, like, super crazy? It’s like.
Me: No. I think you. I think this is exactly like how we’re thinking about things, actually, very similarly. I feel like you’re. I think you’re. You’re right on the pace. I think as it sort of won is like you need to build a system in a way where you can build faster. You know, so that’s a lot of, like, what we did. I mean, give me a sense of budget and timeline. Like, do you still feel like it’s. Both finishing existing stuff, and these two things are like, kind of give me a sense of, like, Yeah.
Them: So I don’t think there’s too much. I have, like, a. A set of things left on what’s existing to finish part of that. I think that would get us, like, I have a couple bugs and, like, getting. I do want them to finish.
Me: A couple. Of times. But sending them, like, user authentication, dude, is not like a month. That’s like a couple days of work.
Them: No, they’re not telling me it’s a month for user authentic. No, no, no, no, they’re not. I mean.
Me: Okay. Okay. I was gonna say.
Them: They built out all these. This entire chat bot interface. And like, a couple of months, like, some of it has been my delays, but they’ve just been forced structure, and there isn’t a good working flow. They don’t have. We don’t have, like, weekly standups with them. It’s like, it’s. A kind of janky, messy.
Me: We don’t have, like, weekday standups with that. Like, does it? Kind of janky, messy.
Them: Relationship. It’s not how I run my agency. And it’s. I’m sure. Yeah, it’s kind of like. It’s a little. Yeah, I want to say contentious, but we’re just not. It’s not a good communicative workflow of what’s going on. They have Asana. They have timelines. Like, I delete a couple things, you know, it’s not all on them, but.
Me: Sure. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we’re probably similar to you. And that I make sure I have to talk to every client once a week, no matter what.
Them: Yeah. They just don’t have a good process and it’s kind of luck.
Me: We run. We run internal standups for every client every day, at least. So we’re talking about every client every day. But again, we’re doing a lot of data in AI work. So I think everything’s on slack for us. We did a ton of looms, and then, yeah, we just.
Them: Y.
Me: Get the requirements, build out like a prd and then quickly start saying, like, let’s shift features incrementally and communicate, you know?
Them: Yep. Yeah, I can send you over what I look better. Write ups of all this stuff to kind of get you that. If you’d like to take a look and get me a quote.
Me: Sure.
Them: I’m hoping to get forecasting in the foreplay. Piece done. To, like, start the year, ideally, like, maybe head nt by the end of the year or maybe like, within early enough in January to have those tools built out as a start, and then we can kind of cascade other pieces and projects from there.
Me: Ly. Okay?
Them: Whether someone takes over what’s built here and existing or not. Like, I’ve, we’ve been doing all the ui, so I have, like, how I want to do user management designed. It’s just, you know, should I have them implement it? The problem is there is no user management. It’s like plugged into their user management dashboard that they own. It’s. It’s really weird, to be honest with you. So I’m happy to like, share, you know, have you take a look at the code, if that’s helpful, of what’s even built there. I’m not technical enough and I’ll, you know, be honest with that to know I don’t know what language has been built in and accessibility of what bodies are. Are hiding in this. This thing?
Me: Yeah. I think one is, like, if we can get this. If you have anything written on the scopes for both of those. And then we probably. If we could do one more meeting, I’ll bring another guy on my team and yeah, it could be great to go. At least go through the git repo. Or if you give us access to that, we could do that Async, and then at least we’ll look through how stuff is built.
Them: Yeah. Yeah.
Me: And then I think if we have any follow up questions, I’m not too concerned with either. The features that you mentioned. Especially the creative one you mentioned. All those eyes exist and you have a vision for the ui, so that’s usually where there’s a lot back and forth.
Them: Y. Eah. We’re kind of just having chat. We’re just kind of, like, uploading some stuff in GPT is just kind of visualized ui.
Me: And already if you have like, NVPs or V ones, that’s a perfect place for us to start. That’s how all of our stuff. Starts as I develop something or someone on the team does. And then we sort of use it off. So I think that makes a lot of sense. So, yeah, as much as you can sort of share with me. I’m happy to sign an NDA or what?
Them: Yeah, I can. I have a boy. I have a boiler. Just a mutual sympathy.
Me: Ever. Please. Yeah.
Them: No hostage holding or some NDAs are crazy. It’s like a super simple mutual. I’m happy just to get that clicked off and then we can dive a little deeper. But how do you guys typically build? You guys build on, like a weekly basis, an hourly basis, project basis. How do you guys typically.
Me: So we. I mean, we honestly like to do something monthly, recurring. That’s, like, predictable. Some people are more like, we need to do hourly. I just think, like, I would like to drive more. We are trying to drive all of our clients towards outcomes, whether that’s on the data or AI side. So we would basically on our site, of course, the calculation is like, how many hours is gonna go to this? But it makes it one. You just avoid, like, a ton of surprises.
Them: Yeah. For sure.
Me: And this is like, you know, I know in ecom agency, I know you can price a lot of performance. This is like a little bit different because it’s like sort of towards an outcome. But I will totally. We basically go internally. It’s like, how confident are we that we can ship what phase of this? Project, and then I’ll generally tell you roughly this many hours. It’s a better deal to do that. Sort of like monthly fix versus hourly.
Them: Yeah.
Me: And that’s, like, usually how we do things. And then of course, like, it’s a 14 day out on everything. And we don’t really. We don’t really do crazy commitments or anything like that. So as long as we can get a commitment, I’m like, hey, here’s the scope. We’ll break it down for you. You can. Then again, this is a product, so you can say like, okay, these features are not as important. This is really the crucial poc. Ndp, like v1, v2. That’s how we would break it down. And then we run on weekly sprints.
Them: Yeah.
Me: So we do an internal standup every day on all of our clients. We at least have a weekly check in with you. Everything else is slack and loom and, like, we can hop on as much as you need. So that stuff, we wouldn’t price, like, outside for any of that. That’s just how we operate. In general, but in terms of our pod, it’s usually someone at my level, like, like, sort of strategist level. And for short of this, there’d be like a definitely be someone that’s a project manager and then at least one or two engineers. And that’s like the whole pod, basically. So we at least do three people from our team for every client. They’re kind of in that pod fashion. So there’s, like, redundancy. And then everything. Yeah, we work on GitHub. We document everything, so you’ll have everything. Even if you get rid of us, it’ll be in a good spot for whoever.
Them: Well, I think our goal is to find. Right now I’m, you know, I’m talking to a couple people, and I just kind of want to find an endpoint for me. I don’t want to go from. This was kind of like MVP for us, and we’re kind of like, we kind of want to build something, and we have a friend who works at another ecom spot, and kind of similar to Sawyer, had gotten us connected with these guys.
Me: Starts. Yeah.
Them: And we kind of like, all right, we have some legs here. We have something. And then we’re like, all right, well, why don’t we. I want to say addicted, but we’re like, our wheel started kind of spinning up. Like, we should be building more, and we want to be building more. And like some of our larger agencies around us, are acquiring tech or building their own tack already.
Me: The biggest thing to think about when you talk to any folks is make sure that they’re building in a way where you are actually shipping faster over time. It’s not for me. It’s like, not. I see both of these. I’m like, we can totally do it. But my ask for my team. Is that we actually are able to ship faster and more people are able to ship different pieces. Like, you should be able to develop, design, and actually Maybe even ship 60, 70% of a feature just through cursor. Right? Like, you democratize. That is actually where the alpha is versus just like, okay, cool, we’ll be back in a month with the thing. It’s actually like,
Them: Y. Eah. Y. Eah.
Me: I want more people on the team in the code base.
Them: Yeah.
Me: Create code, and that’s what.
Them: We need that help. But I’m not DevOps by any means.
Me: The. You want, like, a platform team to be managing the fact that anyone can come in and plug in.
Them: Yeah.
Me: What traditional dev agencies do is they gatekeep, basically, roughly.
Them: They. They are slightly gatekeeping. Yeah. And, like, even down to the hosting stuff, you know, it’s like I’ve spun up AWS servers, and we’ve done stuff in the past, and he’s like, you need all the security and this, that, the other. It’s like, you’re not wrong. But, like.
Me: Internal tool. And we have deadlines like, let’s get this.
Them: Yeah, you’re just way over complicating every little aspect of everything to, like, justify your need to be here, and we love that.
Me: I want to win because we are. PACE is better than anybody, and we’re actually more. I want to win on the transparency and like, the fact that we help you achieve your outcomes.
Them: So. Yeah.
Me: Some other. You know what happens in agency people. Some people don’t want to win that way.
Them: Y. Eah. Yeah. It’s trapped. Yeah.
Me: Okay, yeah, Send me whatever you got, and then please send me the nd.
Them: If I send you over everything tonight, when do you think we could hop back on?
Me: If you send it to me tonight, I will send it right to my team and chat. Depending on how late it is later today or tomorrow morning. And then I’ll get you a text as soon as we get something cohesive or we have follow up questions.
Them: Okay? All right, cool. Yeah. Give me a little bit after this, just to prepare all this together for you, and I’ll fire that over. I’ll send you an NDA right after this. Then let me just pull all the. All the together. I can get you the git. Repo, probably.
Me: Yeah. If you think it’s easier to go back and forth in slack, we’re happy to do that too.
Them: Yeah, if you could plug into Slack.
Me: So I’ll send you an invite to Slack, and then we’ll just pay you with questions. There.
Them: That’d be a lot easier. All right, let’s hit it. And I’ll have my co founder. He’s leading up half of this with me so I can lie.
Me: Perfect. Okay?
Them: Fire off bunch. Of.
Me: All right, dude. Thanks.
Them: Appreciate the extra.