Meeting Title: Interlude Project Updates and Feedback Date: 2025-10-03 Meeting participants: Micah Gallardo, Samuel Roberts, Mustafa Raja
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1 00:02:30.770 ⇒ 00:02:31.910 Samuel Roberts: Hello.
2 00:02:32.110 ⇒ 00:02:33.039 Micah Gallardo: Hey, guys.
3 00:02:33.040 ⇒ 00:02:33.780 Mustafa Raja: Hey.
4 00:02:33.780 ⇒ 00:02:34.970 Samuel Roberts: I’m just kidding.
5 00:02:35.250 ⇒ 00:02:36.390 Samuel Roberts: Set up here.
6 00:02:37.490 ⇒ 00:02:38.440 Samuel Roberts: How are you?
7 00:02:38.440 ⇒ 00:02:40.530 Micah Gallardo: Hey, good, how’s it going?
8 00:02:40.740 ⇒ 00:02:42.169 Samuel Roberts: Going alright, I’m,
9 00:02:42.400 ⇒ 00:02:54.500 Samuel Roberts: I got a family wedding tonight, so I’m actually South Bend, Indiana, so I’m technically out of office today, but, I wanted to… I wanted to have a couple morning meetings before I got too… Too busy.
10 00:02:54.500 ⇒ 00:03:02.290 Micah Gallardo: Wow. Okay. Way to go. Yeah. Way to go, dude. That’s awesome.
11 00:03:02.430 ⇒ 00:03:03.310 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah.
12 00:03:03.310 ⇒ 00:03:04.349 Micah Gallardo: It’s sick.
13 00:03:04.910 ⇒ 00:03:11.440 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, been a solid week. We drove out here yesterday from Cleveland, which is, like, 4 or 5 hours, not too bad, but…
14 00:03:11.440 ⇒ 00:03:12.150 Micah Gallardo: Wow.
15 00:03:12.300 ⇒ 00:03:15.019 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, we do a lot of road trips, so I’m pretty used to it.
16 00:03:15.020 ⇒ 00:03:16.730 Micah Gallardo: Okay, yeah, easy, easy.
17 00:03:16.730 ⇒ 00:03:18.560 Samuel Roberts: Yeah. This is nothing, though.
18 00:03:18.560 ⇒ 00:03:19.380 Micah Gallardo: Nice.
19 00:03:19.640 ⇒ 00:03:21.080 Micah Gallardo: Alright, very cool.
20 00:03:22.090 ⇒ 00:03:24.189 Samuel Roberts: Wow. Yeah. How’s your week been?
21 00:03:24.190 ⇒ 00:03:28.010 Micah Gallardo: It’s been good. Not a whole lot of work.
22 00:03:28.010 ⇒ 00:03:31.769 Samuel Roberts: Not a whole lot of interlude stuff taken care of, but… Okay.
23 00:03:31.990 ⇒ 00:03:36.899 Micah Gallardo: Lots of, like, at my other full-time job, lots of other little things to take care of.
24 00:03:36.970 ⇒ 00:03:37.910 Samuel Roberts: So…
25 00:03:38.310 ⇒ 00:03:41.640 Micah Gallardo: just trying to keep the ball rolling, but… Yeah, you hear that.
26 00:03:42.050 ⇒ 00:03:43.819 Micah Gallardo: Yeah, everything’s been great, though.
27 00:03:43.900 ⇒ 00:03:44.930 Samuel Roberts: Cool, cool.
28 00:03:44.930 ⇒ 00:03:45.600 Micah Gallardo: Yep.
29 00:03:45.750 ⇒ 00:03:52.959 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, this might be a relatively quick one today. There’s a couple updates, I think, that Mustafa’s got.
30 00:03:53.640 ⇒ 00:03:56.540 Samuel Roberts: And we made some progress with the
31 00:03:56.760 ⇒ 00:03:59.450 Samuel Roberts: Like, ingesting the decks that we can update you on.
32 00:03:59.470 ⇒ 00:04:00.610 Micah Gallardo: Okay, cool.
33 00:04:00.610 ⇒ 00:04:02.979 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, Mustafa, why don’t you,
34 00:04:03.150 ⇒ 00:04:05.759 Samuel Roberts: walk through what we’ve updated, I guess.
35 00:04:06.910 ⇒ 00:04:08.500 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, application screen.
36 00:04:08.900 ⇒ 00:04:09.430 Samuel Roberts: Sure.
37 00:04:10.990 ⇒ 00:04:15.629 Mustafa Raja: Okay, so, one thing that we have done, is…
38 00:04:15.820 ⇒ 00:04:21.279 Mustafa Raja: You… you can now, see that the rubrics, are…
39 00:04:21.519 ⇒ 00:04:29.089 Mustafa Raja: in the Notion, when you save the Notion doc, and it is in the format that you did suggest.
40 00:04:29.090 ⇒ 00:04:29.550 Micah Gallardo: Nice.
41 00:04:29.550 ⇒ 00:04:42.240 Mustafa Raja: So we have, so, so one dimension was related to the, visuals. We don’t have the visuals, this is, what we generate is, text-based only, so…
42 00:04:42.240 ⇒ 00:04:43.060 Samuel Roberts: Right.
43 00:04:43.060 ⇒ 00:04:57.729 Mustafa Raja: This, this, whole thing is going to be, text, and we did have to remove that one dimension, but we will have the rest of the nine, and after that, what we are going to do is,
44 00:04:57.790 ⇒ 00:05:04.080 Mustafa Raja: priority action items, like, you suggested, which is gonna have priority… Yeah.
45 00:05:04.200 ⇒ 00:05:14.619 Mustafa Raja: If you want to adjust this further, let us know. We can definitely adjust it, however you would want it to be, and we have the rest as is.
46 00:05:16.460 ⇒ 00:05:18.899 Micah Gallardo: Perfect. Yeah, I think that’s great.
47 00:05:18.900 ⇒ 00:05:25.789 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, this is one major update from us, and the rest will be on… Ingesting around.
48 00:05:26.170 ⇒ 00:05:35.740 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so yes, thank you for those SVGs. Sorry to go back and forth a little bit with the outlining text and stuff, but, yeah, the SVG code is… is…
49 00:05:35.760 ⇒ 00:06:00.749 Samuel Roberts: something we can pass right into an OLM, and we can parse and see all the text from those. Okay. So what… what we got working so far is pulling out the text, which is great, and then I think we’ve also now, and correct me if I’m wrong, Mustafa, exactly how it worked, but passing that through, because it’s a huge file, so, like, you can’t just, like, drop that into the context window. Yeah. Stripping out the text, feeding it in, it then kind of classifies it all, so, like, we can see
50 00:06:01.970 ⇒ 00:06:07.879 Samuel Roberts: where things are used, what’s bullet points, what’s headings, things like that.
51 00:06:08.360 ⇒ 00:06:12.299 Samuel Roberts: And then the idea is to get that to kind of a form
52 00:06:12.420 ⇒ 00:06:14.780 Samuel Roberts: That is similar to the output that the…
53 00:06:14.990 ⇒ 00:06:23.839 Samuel Roberts: bot generates, and then eventually with the… with the inputs, like, we have a couple now, but yeah, those circleback transcripts will be helpful.
54 00:06:23.980 ⇒ 00:06:37.140 Samuel Roberts: Now, we can basically take the completed slide, generate what the output would look like, or would have looked like for making that deck, run that through, and see how accurate the agent is. And then we can start to refine that more,
55 00:06:37.380 ⇒ 00:06:43.040 Samuel Roberts: eventually, I mean, we’re still… we talked a little bit, I think, a couple weeks ago, about using the visual
56 00:06:43.220 ⇒ 00:06:44.850 Samuel Roberts: Like, having the slides.
57 00:06:45.110 ⇒ 00:06:45.470 Micah Gallardo: Correct.
58 00:06:45.470 ⇒ 00:06:55.229 Samuel Roberts: maybe generating, like, lo-fi outputs and stuff, but, we didn’t… we didn’t talk with Matt last week, and he wanted to put Sylvia as the designer, I think?
59 00:06:55.410 ⇒ 00:07:00.450 Samuel Roberts: to kind of understand, like, her or her workflow and understand, like, how that all…
60 00:07:00.690 ⇒ 00:07:03.769 Samuel Roberts: would go if it’s helpful. I did talk to,
61 00:07:04.140 ⇒ 00:07:06.939 Samuel Roberts: A designer at our company, just to find out, like.
62 00:07:07.310 ⇒ 00:07:24.049 Samuel Roberts: what’s helpful? What’s gonna box you in? What’s gonna constrain you too much? What’s gonna give you guidance? So we have a few ideas about maybe, like, a bunch of lo-fi options per slide, just to give a little bit of, like, guidance, and not be like, here’s what we want, and it’s just the AI telling you, like, the wrong kind of context for.
63 00:07:24.610 ⇒ 00:07:27.980 Samuel Roberts: the slide. So, we’ll play with that a little bit more,
64 00:07:28.320 ⇒ 00:07:42.870 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, getting the decks was good, getting the output from the decks is great. Yeah, the circleback transcripts will then help us close that loop, and hopefully that means refining the agent to get, you know, better and better V1s.
65 00:07:42.870 ⇒ 00:07:43.520 Micah Gallardo: Yeah.
66 00:07:43.520 ⇒ 00:07:47.229 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, that’s our update.
67 00:07:47.840 ⇒ 00:07:52.569 Samuel Roberts: I don’t think there’s anything else, but I think that’s pretty much it right now. Yeah, but yeah, I mean…
68 00:07:52.570 ⇒ 00:08:09.349 Micah Gallardo: That’s awesome. We’re working on the transcripts right now. I just don’t have the right permissions, so I pinged Matt yesterday, and I was like, by the way… Yeah, yeah. So, we’ll hopefully… he should be in office for a moment today, and he can just…
69 00:08:09.590 ⇒ 00:08:16.730 Micah Gallardo: hopefully hop… if it’s not too much friction. Yeah. But if it doesn’t happen today, it might just be, like, a Monday morning, like.
70 00:08:16.850 ⇒ 00:08:20.739 Micah Gallardo: get that sorted. So, I’ll keep you updated on where we’re at.
71 00:08:21.050 ⇒ 00:08:27.609 Micah Gallardo: But yeah, that’s really the only blocker there, it’s nothing too crazy. But yeah, then I’ll get all of those to you.
72 00:08:29.140 ⇒ 00:08:37.820 Micah Gallardo: Do you just want the one for Rails and Standard Practice, or do you want as many as we can find? Because I can just go through and find
73 00:08:38.140 ⇒ 00:08:45.860 Micah Gallardo: a bunch of them and stuff, but I know that we’re working… we’re trying to work… I would imagine we want to work with, like, complete sets, so, like, the…
74 00:08:45.860 ⇒ 00:09:02.549 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think that’s definitely the highest priority of those two. Okay. If you’re in there, and, you know, it’s not much more to do the rest now, like, we’re gonna want those eventually for as many decks as we can, but those are the two that we can start really, like, starting that loop.
75 00:09:03.050 ⇒ 00:09:08.499 Samuel Roberts: And then, when we get more, we can just run more through and get more scores and see how it does.
76 00:09:08.500 ⇒ 00:09:08.910 Micah Gallardo: Okay.
77 00:09:08.910 ⇒ 00:09:12.300 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, whatever, whatever’s there.
78 00:09:12.550 ⇒ 00:09:22.800 Samuel Roberts: is great. Those two are definitely the top priorities, though, because we’ll have the complete inputs, and then we can essentially, like, finish that, like, loop and get it
79 00:09:23.210 ⇒ 00:09:29.949 Samuel Roberts: ready, basically, for more… more… more runs. Okay. But even that should help us refine a little bit, I think, so…
80 00:09:30.210 ⇒ 00:09:31.129 Micah Gallardo: Okay, got it.
81 00:09:31.130 ⇒ 00:09:31.700 Samuel Roberts: So yeah
82 00:09:32.440 ⇒ 00:09:41.770 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I don’t know if Circled back very well, so I don’t know if it’s, like, a lot of work to get them all, or just, like, a few quick clicks, but definitely focus on those two first, I would say.
83 00:09:41.770 ⇒ 00:09:42.310 Micah Gallardo: Okay.
84 00:09:42.310 ⇒ 00:09:48.859 Samuel Roberts: We’re good, yeah. Anything else? Any other thoughts, or, you know,
85 00:09:49.890 ⇒ 00:09:53.489 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know if there’s a lot of feedback right now, because like you said, it wasn’t necessarily a big week for you.
86 00:09:53.490 ⇒ 00:10:00.199 Micah Gallardo: Yeah, not a huge week, so I think it’s all good. Circleback transcript sorted to you guys, and then…
87 00:10:00.490 ⇒ 00:10:03.479 Micah Gallardo: going… honestly, just going from there, I think will be great.
88 00:10:03.680 ⇒ 00:10:12.360 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, cool. Yeah, any usage and feedback is good. Any thoughts or ideas? You know, we had some ideas with the…
89 00:10:12.360 ⇒ 00:10:28.070 Samuel Roberts: kind of next step in the process with the visuals and stuff, but anything from your side that you’re like, oh, this output is good, but if it also had this, or I don’t need this… anything like that, like, just ideas, you know, whether or not it’s feedback directly, or just, like, a how about, will help us.
90 00:10:28.070 ⇒ 00:10:28.800 Micah Gallardo: Okay.
91 00:10:28.960 ⇒ 00:10:29.800 Micah Gallardo: Got it.
92 00:10:29.800 ⇒ 00:10:32.860 Samuel Roberts: Anything like that is good, just paying the symbol will…
93 00:10:33.390 ⇒ 00:10:38.469 Samuel Roberts: digest it a little bit and see what we think we can do, and what we think is helpful, but… Okay.
94 00:10:38.900 ⇒ 00:10:44.080 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, anything like that is good, so… Besides that, I think we’re pretty good this morning. Yeah.
95 00:10:44.890 ⇒ 00:10:50.040 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I’m excited. Mustafa got the stuff working, and I’m excited to go through the…
96 00:10:50.330 ⇒ 00:11:01.020 Samuel Roberts: the, the repo that he put together for ingesting the decks, later today, and I think it’s… it’s… there’s a lot to potentially do there, because I think the SVG has, like.
97 00:11:01.360 ⇒ 00:11:15.809 Samuel Roberts: you know, it stores the size and color and location, like, that’s how it defines the SVG. So, I think there’s more we can do than just, like, extracting text and kind of classifying it. We can even get some layout stuff from that, maybe, and things like that.
98 00:11:15.890 ⇒ 00:11:17.090 Micah Gallardo: That’s fair.
99 00:11:17.090 ⇒ 00:11:25.580 Samuel Roberts: That’s why the SVGs are super helpful, because it’s just code defining the visuals, so… Right. I think there’s more to do there, I don’t necessarily know
100 00:11:25.840 ⇒ 00:11:37.019 Samuel Roberts: where it’ll go, but some exploration there will be helpful, and we will… we have the stuff to do that now, so we can be running with that, now that we’ve got it kind of set up for that pipeline to ingest the deck, and yeah.
101 00:11:37.280 ⇒ 00:11:39.670 Samuel Roberts: I think that’s all we got. Mustafa, you got anything else?
102 00:11:41.150 ⇒ 00:11:49.779 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, this should be it. Okay. I just, yeah, review on, how the agent is working would be really nice. I’d love to know if…
103 00:11:49.790 ⇒ 00:12:01.709 Mustafa Raja: the output it’s generating is good enough to, send to client for approval, or if, Interlude has more steps to do on it before sending it to client for approval.
104 00:12:02.500 ⇒ 00:12:02.870 Micah Gallardo: Okay.
105 00:12:02.870 ⇒ 00:12:04.500 Mustafa Raja: That would be really nice.
106 00:12:04.500 ⇒ 00:12:12.210 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I imagine there’ll always be a human in the loop in the step, so I don’t want to get, you know, so much that it’s just going straight to the client with the…
107 00:12:12.750 ⇒ 00:12:21.940 Samuel Roberts: I mean, I don’t think that’s necessarily it, but I also don’t want to assume that about you guys, but I think, like I said before, like, your value-add is what you guys add to this, not just,
108 00:12:22.080 ⇒ 00:12:27.060 Samuel Roberts: outputting a full AI deck, because there are services that can do that, and they’re probably not as good, so…
109 00:12:27.060 ⇒ 00:12:28.030 Micah Gallardo: Yeah.
110 00:12:28.210 ⇒ 00:12:29.369 Samuel Roberts: Cool, alright.
111 00:12:29.900 ⇒ 00:12:34.659 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, however close it is, whatever changes you’re making, even afterwards, are good.
112 00:12:34.770 ⇒ 00:12:39.160 Samuel Roberts: Like, if it’s, like, a good V1, but you’re making consistent changes, or…
113 00:12:39.630 ⇒ 00:12:43.760 Samuel Roberts: Certain parts are not… White hitting the mark,
114 00:12:44.140 ⇒ 00:12:47.709 Samuel Roberts: Consistently or not, definitely good feedback, and
115 00:12:49.030 ⇒ 00:12:55.449 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, we can tweak the prompts and rerun things and see how it is. You can tweak the prompts and rerun things and see how it is, but,
116 00:12:56.400 ⇒ 00:13:03.530 Samuel Roberts: Alright, yeah, so just let us know if you’re doing that, and we’ll keep an eye on it, too, as the output comes out, too. Okay, cool. Cool. Thank you so much.
117 00:13:03.530 ⇒ 00:13:04.379 Micah Gallardo: Yeah, of course.
118 00:13:04.890 ⇒ 00:13:06.629 Micah Gallardo: See you… next week.
119 00:13:06.870 ⇒ 00:13:07.600 Samuel Roberts: Sounds good.
120 00:13:07.600 ⇒ 00:13:09.009 Micah Gallardo: Okay, cheers guys, bye.
121 00:13:09.010 ⇒ 00:13:09.669 Samuel Roberts: Yep, have a good one.
122 00:13:09.670 ⇒ 00:13:10.370 Mustafa Raja: Like…