Meeting Title: Interlude Standup Date: 2025-09-24 Meeting participants: Samuel Roberts, Justin Breshears, Justin Breshears, Uttam Kumaran, Mustafa Raja
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1 00:01:38.600 ⇒ 00:01:40.070 Justin Breshears: Hello, hello!
2 00:01:40.920 ⇒ 00:01:43.940 Justin Breshears: I… Give me a second, I’m gonna log back in.
3 00:02:00.490 ⇒ 00:02:01.850 Justin Breshears: There we go.
4 00:02:41.290 ⇒ 00:02:42.979 Justin Breshears: Are you with me, Sam?
5 00:02:44.990 ⇒ 00:02:46.870 Samuel Roberts: Sorry, yes, I just didn’t have it up.
6 00:02:48.680 ⇒ 00:02:50.639 Justin Breshears: No worries. How are you today?
7 00:02:50.820 ⇒ 00:02:51.750 Samuel Roberts: Doing alright.
8 00:02:53.710 ⇒ 00:02:54.380 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, nothing.
9 00:02:54.380 ⇒ 00:02:58.880 Justin Breshears: Do you aware? Well… Sorry? I don’t know where Mustafa is.
10 00:02:58.880 ⇒ 00:02:59.490 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
11 00:02:59.490 ⇒ 00:03:03.559 Justin Breshears: Tom’s availability, so… This might just be us today.
12 00:03:04.430 ⇒ 00:03:09.339 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I’m not sure, I was… I just messaged him and stuff, and he didn’t fight yet, but…
13 00:03:10.280 ⇒ 00:03:13.570 Samuel Roberts: I’ll pay him right now.
14 00:03:21.290 ⇒ 00:03:22.130 Samuel Roberts: Indeed.
15 00:03:22.590 ⇒ 00:03:28.680 Justin Breshears: Maybe while we’re waiting, you can help me figure out this issue, so… Why is it that…
16 00:03:28.990 ⇒ 00:03:32.530 Justin Breshears: In the current cycle, it shows… Only one.
17 00:03:32.830 ⇒ 00:03:35.979 Justin Breshears: But… I go here, issues.
18 00:03:37.060 ⇒ 00:03:39.480 Justin Breshears: And all the to-do and cycle are here.
19 00:03:39.910 ⇒ 00:03:40.460 Samuel Roberts: Huh.
20 00:03:41.230 ⇒ 00:03:44.159 Samuel Roberts: If… that’s the cycle view over there?
21 00:03:44.620 ⇒ 00:03:49.580 Justin Breshears: Yeah, so Cycle View Current shows… Something.
22 00:03:50.380 ⇒ 00:03:51.510 Justin Breshears: For this guy.
23 00:03:52.030 ⇒ 00:03:53.199 Justin Breshears: seeing if I…
24 00:03:53.750 ⇒ 00:03:56.840 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, there’s no filter on that other view, right?
25 00:03:59.710 ⇒ 00:04:01.740 Samuel Roberts: The, the cycle view? No?
26 00:04:01.740 ⇒ 00:04:02.230 Justin Breshears: I don’t think so.
27 00:04:02.230 ⇒ 00:04:04.999 Samuel Roberts: What about display? I don’t know if that does anything either.
28 00:04:07.230 ⇒ 00:04:15.850 Samuel Roberts: No, that shouldn’t do anything. If you switch that to board, does it change anything?
29 00:04:20.500 ⇒ 00:04:21.209 Justin Breshears: Nope.
30 00:04:21.810 ⇒ 00:04:22.910 Samuel Roberts: Dear.
31 00:04:23.260 ⇒ 00:04:25.189 Justin Breshears: Although I like forward view better.
32 00:04:25.190 ⇒ 00:04:26.959 Samuel Roberts: Oh, yeah, totally, I just… I don’t…
33 00:04:28.130 ⇒ 00:04:31.060 Samuel Roberts: Let me see if it happens in my veneer, too.
34 00:04:32.380 ⇒ 00:04:33.670 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that’s weird.
35 00:04:33.670 ⇒ 00:04:36.260 Justin Breshears: I’ll figure that out offline, don’t want to waste your time with it, but I thought…
36 00:04:36.260 ⇒ 00:04:37.230 Samuel Roberts: No, you’re good, I mean…
37 00:04:37.230 ⇒ 00:04:38.910 Justin Breshears: Solution to that.
38 00:04:38.910 ⇒ 00:04:41.110 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, definitely curious about it, though.
39 00:04:41.920 ⇒ 00:04:44.150 Justin Breshears: Looks like we got Utam. Hello, good morning, sir.
40 00:04:45.230 ⇒ 00:04:46.550 Uttam Kumaran: Hi, good morning!
41 00:04:46.690 ⇒ 00:04:49.240 Uttam Kumaran: Another great day on the job.
42 00:04:49.540 ⇒ 00:04:53.310 Justin Breshears: Hopefully you got some sleep last night, you were burning the midnight oil.
43 00:04:53.310 ⇒ 00:05:11.020 Uttam Kumaran: Don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about little ol’ me. No, I appreciate it. No, it’s good. It’s been a great week. I just, like, wake up thinking about stuff to do, so I’m… I’m pushing. And I’m pumped for tomorrow, like, this conference should be really great, so yeah, excited.
44 00:05:11.020 ⇒ 00:05:12.040 Samuel Roberts: What’s the conference.
45 00:05:12.040 ⇒ 00:05:12.830 Justin Breshears: Excited.
46 00:05:12.830 ⇒ 00:05:17.630 Uttam Kumaran: We’re going to a Reuters conference about AI in professional services.
47 00:05:17.740 ⇒ 00:05:25.160 Uttam Kumaran: So, there’s a lot of, like, professional services, leadership, and vendors, and… Should be, like…
48 00:05:25.160 ⇒ 00:05:29.589 Justin Breshears: Get ready for a huge backlog of AI work to sort through after that, Sam.
49 00:05:29.590 ⇒ 00:05:32.560 Uttam Kumaran: If you thought… I’m holding back.
50 00:05:32.560 ⇒ 00:05:34.350 Samuel Roberts: So let’s double that, yeah.
51 00:05:34.350 ⇒ 00:05:39.460 Uttam Kumaran: But I… I gotta… if I hear some good ideas, yeah, so… I wanna keep you busy.
52 00:05:39.460 ⇒ 00:05:40.789 Justin Breshears: for the next decade.
53 00:05:40.790 ⇒ 00:05:42.409 Samuel Roberts: That would be fine.
54 00:05:43.180 ⇒ 00:05:49.359 Samuel Roberts: Honestly, like, working on that backlink stuff, like, once we get to some of the back… I’m really excited for a lot of the, like, internal platform work.
55 00:05:50.750 ⇒ 00:06:00.880 Justin Breshears: I want to check it out at some point, but okay, let’s, let’s talk about Airlude real quick. I don’t want to take up more time than I need to on y’all. I think we don’t have the staff up, but Sam, you can probably.
56 00:06:00.880 ⇒ 00:06:05.829 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, he didn’t respond on Slack, so I don’t know if he just… All good. Okay.
57 00:06:05.830 ⇒ 00:06:09.519 Justin Breshears: Let’s start with you then, Sam. What are you working on this week, today?
58 00:06:09.910 ⇒ 00:06:17.029 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so I, automate task dependencies in Notion. This is… I’m waiting for…
59 00:06:18.480 ⇒ 00:06:22.150 Samuel Roberts: Yeah. So I guess that needs to get moved.
60 00:06:22.950 ⇒ 00:06:25.089 Justin Breshears: So we need client response on this?
61 00:06:25.900 ⇒ 00:06:32.469 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so this is something, that we had previously talked about. Yeah, this one doesn’t have client response? Yeah, exactly.
62 00:06:32.470 ⇒ 00:06:35.440 Justin Breshears: I know, yeah, we need to… I need to fix that, okay.
63 00:06:35.440 ⇒ 00:06:41.139 Samuel Roberts: I would just do… I would say block for now, either way, but if you wanna… if you’re gonna make the change quick, either way.
64 00:06:41.140 ⇒ 00:06:41.820 Justin Breshears: Yeah.
65 00:06:42.370 ⇒ 00:06:48.319 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I… we had discussed this way back. We started working on the deck agent more.
66 00:06:48.460 ⇒ 00:06:55.469 Samuel Roberts: they had kind of asked us if there was stuff that could be happening in Notion for, like, their PMs and stuff, and they’re automating things that…
67 00:06:55.910 ⇒ 00:07:02.479 Samuel Roberts: they’re doing a lot of manual, like, making sure subtasks are there and stuff in Notion. The reason this came up again…
68 00:07:03.240 ⇒ 00:07:05.830 Samuel Roberts: I was pulled…
69 00:07:06.470 ⇒ 00:07:13.740 Samuel Roberts: was… they were asking about Notion agents, and I gave a little bit of feedback to them about, like, what I think they’re probably good for and stuff, and…
70 00:07:14.130 ⇒ 00:07:19.779 Justin Breshears: Uten smartly mentioned to remind them that we’d talked about this before, because I don’t know how much the agents can do.
71 00:07:19.780 ⇒ 00:07:26.220 Samuel Roberts: So I think it’s on them right now to maybe… or us to push them at the meeting, but…
72 00:07:27.220 ⇒ 00:07:28.830 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I haven’t heard anything back yet.
73 00:07:30.070 ⇒ 00:07:31.110 Justin Breshears: Okay, no worries.
74 00:07:31.250 ⇒ 00:07:33.059 Justin Breshears: We have a low priority on it, then?
75 00:07:33.320 ⇒ 00:07:37.329 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah, this was just kind of initial discussions back when we started.
76 00:07:37.720 ⇒ 00:07:43.589 Samuel Roberts: So it’s, like, something we can get them to maybe… want, but, yeah.
77 00:07:43.590 ⇒ 00:07:44.300 Justin Breshears: I gotcha.
78 00:07:44.700 ⇒ 00:07:46.780 Justin Breshears: Okay, what about this guy?
79 00:07:46.780 ⇒ 00:07:50.120 Mustafa Raja: Sorry, I got carried away into the issue that I was looking to…
80 00:07:50.370 ⇒ 00:07:51.670 Samuel Roberts: I figured that’s…
81 00:07:52.160 ⇒ 00:08:00.450 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, this one I just added myself trying to test that, but I’m gonna message Hannah today, and talk through some of this stuff.
82 00:08:00.660 ⇒ 00:08:01.489 Samuel Roberts: The idea…
83 00:08:01.490 ⇒ 00:08:04.620 Justin Breshears: It is… Our Hannah, or their Hannah?
84 00:08:04.620 ⇒ 00:08:08.110 Samuel Roberts: Yes. The thought was that if we’re gonna be working on, like.
85 00:08:09.530 ⇒ 00:08:17.660 Samuel Roberts: like, lo-fi decks, or, like, mock-ups or something. We figured before we get to talk to…
86 00:08:18.720 ⇒ 00:08:28.800 Samuel Roberts: forget her name and interlude the designer, just to get some feedback on, like, what would be outputs that would be helpful for a designer, because right now, the way they do it.
87 00:08:29.030 ⇒ 00:08:31.749 Samuel Roberts: You know, they generate the stuff, now they’re using the…
88 00:08:32.330 ⇒ 00:08:41.970 Samuel Roberts: the deck agent, that gets refined, and then basically brought into Figma, and the designer just, like, goes in and, like, lays everything out, like, the whole deck works. So, we’re trying to get,
89 00:08:42.130 ⇒ 00:08:56.569 Samuel Roberts: some idea of what we can do, whether it’s just, like, a quick lo-fi mock-up of the whole deck, or, like, some suggestions. I think once we get the decks, we’ll be able to process them a little bit, but for now, the thought was to just, let’s talk to someone, design,
90 00:08:56.760 ⇒ 00:09:01.819 Samuel Roberts: And get some feedback for now as kind of, like, a discovery thing. So, I will message her today.
91 00:09:02.150 ⇒ 00:09:05.860 Samuel Roberts: I just added myself to this ticket when I was testing out the issue with linear, so…
92 00:09:06.290 ⇒ 00:09:10.390 Justin Breshears: Yeah, it’s good. I’m assuming a one-point, 30-45 minute interview, and then…
93 00:09:10.500 ⇒ 00:09:13.059 Justin Breshears: Making some tickets at one point seems reasonable.
94 00:09:13.210 ⇒ 00:09:14.159 Samuel Roberts: Totally, totally.
95 00:09:14.640 ⇒ 00:09:19.940 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and then what’s the plan? Are we getting hooked up with that designer? Like, can we get that on the books?
96 00:09:20.540 ⇒ 00:09:23.550 Samuel Roberts: I thought she was invited to the next meeting, but I’ll double-check with them.
97 00:09:24.210 ⇒ 00:09:29.889 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like, we… so, like, again, I think for the biggest thing here, like, we’re only contracted for a month.
98 00:09:31.230 ⇒ 00:09:32.500 Uttam Kumaran: we, like…
99 00:09:32.600 ⇒ 00:09:46.800 Uttam Kumaran: really want to make sure that there… we… for the people that we get ahold of, we really talk to them. Like, and I won’t… I don’t even think we need to wait for, like, Wednesday meetings. No, you’re right. I would just say, like, Matt, add this person to the channel, like, can we hop on the phone? Like…
100 00:09:47.210 ⇒ 00:09:47.710 Samuel Roberts: Perfect, yeah.
101 00:09:47.710 ⇒ 00:09:51.870 Uttam Kumaran: I guess, yeah, we’re gonna lose time if we’re, like, waiting to hear from people.
102 00:09:51.870 ⇒ 00:09:56.299 Samuel Roberts: Totally, I’ll… I’ll… Oh, yeah. I’ll message… And you can even…
103 00:09:56.310 ⇒ 00:10:06.710 Justin Breshears: You can even ping me and just be like, hey, these are the things that I need from them, can you… can you handle comms? Like, I’m happy to schedule and get stuff set up for y’all.
104 00:10:07.620 ⇒ 00:10:13.460 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, that’s great, yeah, I’m so used to, like, managing my own projects as, like, a startup guy, but…
105 00:10:13.460 ⇒ 00:10:14.130 Justin Breshears: I mean.
106 00:10:14.130 ⇒ 00:10:14.860 Samuel Roberts: I should all feel.
107 00:10:14.860 ⇒ 00:10:28.129 Justin Breshears: to reach out directly, but, like, hey, let’s say you got a bunch of stuff going on or whatever, like, hit me up. I’m happy… I’m happy to unblock things for you, and if, getting a meeting scheduled is blocking you, like, tag me in. Happy to… happy to come help.
108 00:10:28.130 ⇒ 00:10:28.680 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
109 00:10:29.710 ⇒ 00:10:37.319 Justin Breshears: Cool. So, you’ll reach out today, try to get that on the books as soon as possible. When does the contract end for this?
110 00:10:37.730 ⇒ 00:10:38.400 Justin Breshears: Project.
111 00:10:38.400 ⇒ 00:10:41.970 Uttam Kumaran: Mid-next month.
112 00:10:42.840 ⇒ 00:10:47.210 Justin Breshears: Mid-next month. Okay, so we have, like, What, 3 more weeks, basically.
113 00:10:47.210 ⇒ 00:10:47.860 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
114 00:10:48.430 ⇒ 00:10:51.709 Justin Breshears: And have we had, like, renewal conversations with them?
115 00:10:52.160 ⇒ 00:11:02.529 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so this is where, like, we meet… we’re meeting with Matt, the core stakeholder, almost every Friday, and I’m using the Friday as both project review and, like, scope expansion.
116 00:11:02.630 ⇒ 00:11:15.609 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, the biggest takeaway from our last… we did one… we had one previous month, is that we just did not have enough iterations of feedback, mainly because Matt is the CEO, and so he’s just, like, running around.
117 00:11:15.610 ⇒ 00:11:25.830 Uttam Kumaran: So we really need to, like, in order for this to continue, Micah and this other person and other people will have to vouch for us that our work is moving the needle for them.
118 00:11:26.310 ⇒ 00:11:37.289 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I messaged Micah yesterday, and he got some time to play around and had some good feedback, so I… we have a meeting scheduled with him Fridays, too, in the morning, but I was like, give us some feedback in the meantime, and he did.
119 00:11:38.030 ⇒ 00:11:40.939 Justin Breshears: Yeah, he sent, like, a mile-long Slack message.
120 00:11:40.940 ⇒ 00:11:41.849 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that was…
121 00:11:41.850 ⇒ 00:11:42.460 Justin Breshears: to read through it.
122 00:11:42.460 ⇒ 00:11:44.119 Samuel Roberts: They’re using, but the…
123 00:11:44.290 ⇒ 00:11:50.440 Samuel Roberts: the feedback, I think, was at the top, but most of that is just, like, the prompt that they have for their rubric stuff that they came up with, so…
124 00:11:50.960 ⇒ 00:11:51.770 Justin Breshears: Go.
125 00:11:52.680 ⇒ 00:11:58.260 Justin Breshears: Anything else of these that you’re taking on? Or… I did…
126 00:11:58.390 ⇒ 00:12:05.829 Samuel Roberts: I used that opportunity because he specifically brought up that they’re putting the decks together, so I used that opportunity to request, this.
127 00:12:09.880 ⇒ 00:12:15.099 Samuel Roberts: So, they were… they had a Dropbox that he showed us that they were still
128 00:12:15.590 ⇒ 00:12:19.180 Samuel Roberts: Cleaning up and refining, like, what’s what, because there’s different,
129 00:12:20.480 ⇒ 00:12:26.080 Samuel Roberts: types of decks that they put together, and they wanted to sort them. But they’re all, like, finalized decks, which will be helpful for us to…
130 00:12:26.680 ⇒ 00:12:29.740 Uttam Kumaran: We talked about this yesterday, though, like, did we get this from them?
131 00:12:30.100 ⇒ 00:12:32.829 Samuel Roberts: I asked yesterday, didn’t know, not yet.
132 00:12:33.530 ⇒ 00:12:34.879 Justin Breshears: So, this is blocked.
133 00:12:34.940 ⇒ 00:12:36.110 Samuel Roberts: Yeah. Until we get…
134 00:12:36.210 ⇒ 00:12:37.420 Justin Breshears: Answer from them.
135 00:12:42.090 ⇒ 00:12:59.939 Uttam Kumaran: So I want to start using comments like this to… Yeah, this is where, like, this is where it’s helpful, because right now, I’m just going to text Matthew. I’m gonna say, hey, we need that Dropbox link, right? So, I kind of want to see these escalations happen within 48 hours. Like, Friday we met, we need to get hooked up with a designer.
136 00:13:00.160 ⇒ 00:13:15.929 Uttam Kumaran: ideally Monday, we’re like, hey, set up the meeting with designer. If it doesn’t happen by Tuesday, then I escalate, right? And again, this is where, like, in terms of, like, the nuance of the communication, he’ll respond if I text him. He’s… they’re… they’re just…
137 00:13:15.930 ⇒ 00:13:20.980 Samuel Roberts: really busy, so it’s not a… I just need to know that we’ve tried, basically, through our channels.
138 00:13:21.210 ⇒ 00:13:22.139 Justin Breshears: Yup. Yeah.
139 00:13:22.630 ⇒ 00:13:25.570 Justin Breshears: 100%, and that’s why this cadence of us, you know, meeting together like this.
140 00:13:25.570 ⇒ 00:13:25.930 Uttam Kumaran: That’s a good.
141 00:13:26.150 ⇒ 00:13:30.870 Justin Breshears: Totally. Kind of barometer for how we’re tracking all this stuff, so… Good.
142 00:13:30.980 ⇒ 00:13:40.660 Justin Breshears: We’ll get all this rhythm down, so, Utam’s going to text… But…
143 00:13:44.650 ⇒ 00:13:45.630 Justin Breshears: Right?
144 00:13:46.290 ⇒ 00:13:49.440 Justin Breshears: So this is a ticket just for that request, or is there…
145 00:13:49.990 ⇒ 00:13:52.109 Samuel Roberts: I think the idea here was that they were…
146 00:13:54.000 ⇒ 00:14:00.599 Samuel Roberts: they were about to provide the decks, and we were gonna ask for some other stuff too, which I did, on that comment for, like a…
147 00:14:02.580 ⇒ 00:14:09.419 Samuel Roberts: But the decks… I gave him kind of a few things. I was like, we need the decks, it’s great. If we can get this stuff, it’s… or, like…
148 00:14:09.600 ⇒ 00:14:10.730 Samuel Roberts: Did we have a ticket?
149 00:14:10.730 ⇒ 00:14:12.879 Justin Breshears: Remember what happens once we get those?
150 00:14:13.060 ⇒ 00:14:15.140 Samuel Roberts: I think that’s, 39.
151 00:14:17.850 ⇒ 00:14:18.940 Justin Breshears: Okay, cool.
152 00:14:20.480 ⇒ 00:14:24.349 Justin Breshears: So let’s add this. It is blocked.
153 00:14:25.120 ⇒ 00:14:25.810 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and what you.
154 00:14:25.810 ⇒ 00:14:27.330 Justin Breshears: I don’t know if we can link it here, because…
155 00:14:27.330 ⇒ 00:14:29.379 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, if you hit Command-K,
156 00:14:30.250 ⇒ 00:14:35.839 Uttam Kumaran: or if you’re on a PC, and you can hit, you can hit block by, you can just type in block by.
157 00:14:36.420 ⇒ 00:14:38.170 Justin Breshears: You can then do…
158 00:14:38.630 ⇒ 00:14:40.000 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and then you can.
159 00:14:40.000 ⇒ 00:14:40.690 Justin Breshears: Bye.
160 00:14:41.390 ⇒ 00:14:42.670 Uttam Kumaran: I think it’s that one, yeah.
161 00:14:42.960 ⇒ 00:14:45.279 Justin Breshears: Beautiful. Okay, I need to remember that.
162 00:14:45.280 ⇒ 00:14:49.179 Uttam Kumaran: Command-K, is it? And then every… there are a lot of shortcuts, like, I don’t know…
163 00:14:49.180 ⇒ 00:14:50.180 Samuel Roberts: footnotes, yeah.
164 00:14:50.180 ⇒ 00:14:52.059 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but Command K is what I use, because it’s.
165 00:14:52.060 ⇒ 00:14:55.269 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, everything’s in there that you can do with the shortcuts, basically, so…
166 00:14:55.270 ⇒ 00:15:00.950 Justin Breshears: I need to, like, take a linear training at one of these days.
167 00:15:01.710 ⇒ 00:15:06.229 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I’ve been trying to, like, use that as I hover over things and it shows what the commands are, I’ve been trying to, like.
168 00:15:06.710 ⇒ 00:15:08.320 Samuel Roberts: Muscle memory of them, but…
169 00:15:09.540 ⇒ 00:15:17.330 Justin Breshears: Let’s estimate this whenever we get those back, and can… Alright.
170 00:15:17.540 ⇒ 00:15:18.730 Justin Breshears: Cool.
171 00:15:18.990 ⇒ 00:15:20.380 Justin Breshears: Anything else for you, Sam?
172 00:15:21.440 ⇒ 00:15:30.930 Samuel Roberts: No, I think… The rest will be…
173 00:15:30.930 ⇒ 00:15:32.610 Justin Breshears: I didn’t understand.
174 00:15:34.790 ⇒ 00:15:36.800 Justin Breshears: Okay, Mustafa.
175 00:15:37.340 ⇒ 00:15:38.180 Mustafa Raja: What’s you working on?
176 00:15:38.860 ⇒ 00:15:51.019 Mustafa Raja: I’m looking into an issue internally that we have right now. Apart from that, Mika did update us with one of his reviews, and I see that
177 00:15:51.190 ⇒ 00:16:00.339 Mustafa Raja: run rubrics buttons and working on interlude, so this is something that I’m going to look into today. And then he said that he also updated the prompt for rubrics.
178 00:16:00.520 ⇒ 00:16:06.090 Mustafa Raja: I’m just going to make sure that we have everything covered in, our evals that they updated.
179 00:16:06.350 ⇒ 00:16:11.909 Mustafa Raja: If there is something that is missing, or something that needs to be updated, I’ll update that.
180 00:16:13.280 ⇒ 00:16:17.290 Mustafa Raja: So these are the two things on Interlude that I’ll be working on today.
181 00:16:18.150 ⇒ 00:16:21.019 Justin Breshears: Okay, do we have tickets to reflect that?
182 00:16:21.020 ⇒ 00:16:24.300 Samuel Roberts: No, we should add those up here. I did not create any digits, yeah.
183 00:16:24.850 ⇒ 00:16:26.820 Justin Breshears: Okay, let’s… Sure.
184 00:16:26.820 ⇒ 00:16:27.650 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
185 00:16:27.650 ⇒ 00:16:29.050 Justin Breshears: The title, and you can fill.
186 00:16:29.050 ⇒ 00:16:34.520 Mustafa Raja: John Rubik’s button isn’t working on external channels, so this is…
187 00:16:34.650 ⇒ 00:16:35.840 Justin Breshears: Yeah, whatever.
188 00:16:38.570 ⇒ 00:16:39.610 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it isn’t working.
189 00:16:39.610 ⇒ 00:16:40.099 Justin Breshears: Whatever you want.
190 00:16:40.100 ⇒ 00:16:41.680 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that’s fine, he can fill that in, yeah.
191 00:16:41.680 ⇒ 00:16:43.770 Justin Breshears: Yeah, fill it in later. I just want to get it.
192 00:16:43.770 ⇒ 00:16:44.320 Mustafa Raja: a place.
193 00:16:44.620 ⇒ 00:16:47.800 Samuel Roberts: I have to assign it to him, too, so it doesn’t get, lost in the…
194 00:16:48.190 ⇒ 00:16:50.759 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, double-checked rubrics. There should be double-checked rubrics.
195 00:16:51.550 ⇒ 00:16:52.430 Justin Breshears: Double check.
196 00:16:54.710 ⇒ 00:16:57.570 Justin Breshears: We’d probably add that as a sub to the other one, but whatever.
197 00:16:57.770 ⇒ 00:16:58.909 Justin Breshears: Okay.
198 00:17:01.850 ⇒ 00:17:08.040 Justin Breshears: Cool. Yeah, fill in… fill in the details there. I mean, we didn’t lose… At this cycle. Yeah.
199 00:17:10.890 ⇒ 00:17:11.579 Justin Breshears: Cough.
200 00:17:12.530 ⇒ 00:17:13.190 Justin Breshears: Huh.
201 00:17:14.599 ⇒ 00:17:17.550 Justin Breshears: Yeah, then estimates would be good for that, too.
202 00:17:18.869 ⇒ 00:17:24.659 Mustafa Raja: double check, let’s do one, one on both.
203 00:17:25.969 ⇒ 00:17:27.159 Justin Breshears: Oh, yeah, okay.
204 00:17:27.169 ⇒ 00:17:30.949 Mustafa Raja: Button fix might take two, but let’s do one for now.
205 00:17:31.600 ⇒ 00:17:33.660 Justin Breshears: No, danger ring. Perfect.
206 00:17:34.390 ⇒ 00:17:35.970 Justin Breshears: What about these other three?
207 00:17:36.700 ⇒ 00:17:39.850 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, we had talked about, 43…
208 00:17:39.950 ⇒ 00:17:45.069 Samuel Roberts: A little bit, because this is the kind of… if we have their decks, we could potentially start doing more, like.
209 00:17:45.420 ⇒ 00:17:47.869 Samuel Roberts: Layout generation, so this is just kind of a…
210 00:17:49.140 ⇒ 00:17:54.020 Samuel Roberts: A little trial to see what would be best, testing out a few different tools.
211 00:17:55.760 ⇒ 00:17:58.290 Justin Breshears: Is this a now? Is it a later?
212 00:17:59.680 ⇒ 00:18:06.330 Samuel Roberts: I think, I mean, the other two are definitely higher priority that we just assigned. This is like a… if Mustafa has time this week.
213 00:18:07.020 ⇒ 00:18:07.710 Samuel Roberts: Play around with it.
214 00:18:07.710 ⇒ 00:18:09.509 Justin Breshears: I’ll put it for next cycle for now.
215 00:18:09.510 ⇒ 00:18:09.890 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
216 00:18:09.890 ⇒ 00:18:12.650 Justin Breshears: And we can pull it forward if we need to.
217 00:18:13.590 ⇒ 00:18:17.620 Uttam Kumaran: Can the output for that be, like, a spike, or what is the output for that ticket?
218 00:18:20.190 ⇒ 00:18:23.449 Samuel Roberts: I think the thought would be, like, an actual little prototype of, like.
219 00:18:23.450 ⇒ 00:18:24.010 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
220 00:18:24.620 ⇒ 00:18:32.020 Samuel Roberts: you know, either… or maybe there might be an initial, like, spike part of it, like, testing… or doing… I think testing gamma and the markdown kind of thing, depending on, like.
221 00:18:32.260 ⇒ 00:18:38.329 Samuel Roberts: Having two paths for, like, very low fidelity and maybe slightly higher fidelity, are worth exploring.
222 00:18:39.120 ⇒ 00:18:40.450 Samuel Roberts: I think it would just be, like.
223 00:18:40.770 ⇒ 00:18:44.750 Samuel Roberts: An actual little demo or, like, tool we can plug stuff into and see.
224 00:18:46.820 ⇒ 00:18:48.430 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I don’t think it would just be a spike.
225 00:18:53.800 ⇒ 00:18:54.810 Justin Breshears: Muppies.
226 00:18:57.450 ⇒ 00:19:01.270 Samuel Roberts: This is dependent on,
227 00:19:02.060 ⇒ 00:19:04.389 Samuel Roberts: Getting the decks and the inputs.
228 00:19:05.240 ⇒ 00:19:06.050 Samuel Roberts: Oh.
229 00:19:06.330 ⇒ 00:19:11.089 Justin Breshears: blocked by a couple things. Use my AD&D shortcut.
230 00:19:11.090 ⇒ 00:19:11.860 Samuel Roberts: Yay.
231 00:19:14.440 ⇒ 00:19:18.159 Samuel Roberts: That, and I think the…
232 00:19:18.590 ⇒ 00:19:19.330 Justin Breshears: input to that.
233 00:19:19.330 ⇒ 00:19:20.190 Samuel Roberts: a tube.
234 00:19:20.680 ⇒ 00:19:24.670 Samuel Roberts: Oh, it was, it was that one, and then actually… Request and the ingest.
235 00:19:25.610 ⇒ 00:19:28.700 Justin Breshears: Beautiful, who can? Yeah. Love that.
236 00:19:29.370 ⇒ 00:19:33.150 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, the idea here is that once we have that information, we can start running it through
237 00:19:34.110 ⇒ 00:19:34.990 Samuel Roberts: That’s better.
238 00:19:35.540 ⇒ 00:19:42.429 Justin Breshears: Okay, and then last one. Sorry, I know we’re a little bit over, but once we get these tickets all in the right place, this will go much more smoothly.
239 00:19:42.430 ⇒ 00:19:43.480 Samuel Roberts: Totally.
240 00:19:44.150 ⇒ 00:19:45.480 Justin Breshears: Okay, what about this guy?
241 00:19:53.480 ⇒ 00:19:57.050 Samuel Roberts: This is somewhat ongoing with… with Micah.
242 00:19:57.470 ⇒ 00:20:02.960 Samuel Roberts: Mustafa, do you remember the context of this anymore?
243 00:20:03.100 ⇒ 00:20:14.460 Mustafa Raja: So the… what’s it called? The problems that we have for the agent, they can be improved far, far more.
244 00:20:14.940 ⇒ 00:20:30.670 Mustafa Raja: we did, we did want to include, Mika to Langfuse, so then he can also take a look into this, but, I think we can take first iteration on the system prompts, ourselves, too.
245 00:20:32.040 ⇒ 00:20:34.619 Samuel Roberts: Is this dependent on those other ones too, though?
246 00:20:36.420 ⇒ 00:20:36.960 Samuel Roberts: It says…
247 00:20:36.960 ⇒ 00:20:37.530 Mustafa Raja: Right.
248 00:20:37.530 ⇒ 00:20:38.220 Samuel Roberts: able to accomplish.
249 00:20:39.710 ⇒ 00:20:43.459 Mustafa Raja: I don’t think that it’s dependent on those. We can take it as is.
250 00:20:46.200 ⇒ 00:20:51.050 Samuel Roberts: Okay, my thought with this is…
251 00:20:51.830 ⇒ 00:20:55.039 Samuel Roberts: We have a little bit of feedback from Micah.
252 00:20:56.140 ⇒ 00:21:00.740 Samuel Roberts: I think he still has to do some more playing around with it, so I’ll, like, get a little bit more, but…
253 00:21:01.020 ⇒ 00:21:04.730 Samuel Roberts: he seemed pretty satisfied with it at this point. I don’t know if that’s…
254 00:21:05.400 ⇒ 00:21:11.090 Samuel Roberts: So I would say that this is, like, an ongoing thing that we’re gonna be doing. I don’t know if it’s, like, a ticket to do this cycle, necessarily.
255 00:21:11.870 ⇒ 00:21:12.590 Mustafa Raja: Hmm.
256 00:21:13.430 ⇒ 00:21:14.760 Justin Breshears: Hmm, okay.
257 00:21:14.900 ⇒ 00:21:22.699 Mustafa Raja: I think my cat hasn’t really given us a review on how good the content.
258 00:21:22.700 ⇒ 00:21:27.089 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that’s something we need to pull out of him, which we can ask on Slack, and we’ll definitely.
259 00:21:27.090 ⇒ 00:21:39.219 Mustafa Raja: I mean, so far the review has been, oh, the formatting is really good, or this is really good, that is really good, but if the content really is, something that they…
260 00:21:39.220 ⇒ 00:21:48.550 Mustafa Raja: would consider a win. I, I don’t think that we have, we have, gotten a review in, in, in those terms.
261 00:21:48.930 ⇒ 00:21:50.850 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I’m trying to see…
262 00:21:51.010 ⇒ 00:21:53.279 Justin Breshears: Okay, so there’s, like, ongoing…
263 00:21:53.280 ⇒ 00:21:53.770 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
264 00:21:53.770 ⇒ 00:21:56.299 Justin Breshears: For stuff like ongoing tickets, like…
265 00:21:56.470 ⇒ 00:22:07.189 Justin Breshears: I think we need to track that separately. I like to break ongoing stuff down into, like, stuff, the different little pieces of it that we can get done, because I would like to be able to show, you know, all the little pieces that fed into.
266 00:22:07.190 ⇒ 00:22:07.650 Samuel Roberts: do, like.
267 00:22:07.650 ⇒ 00:22:17.789 Justin Breshears: a bigger task like that. So, maybe offline we can think about how best to track this one. If it’s gonna be, like, a multi-week, like, kind of ongoing thing.
268 00:22:18.080 ⇒ 00:22:20.850 Justin Breshears: You know, maybe we break it up into smaller tasks.
269 00:22:23.100 ⇒ 00:22:25.450 Justin Breshears: We can… we can talk about that later, but…
270 00:22:25.450 ⇒ 00:22:26.450 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
271 00:22:26.450 ⇒ 00:22:32.580 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, you’re also updating the prompts for a purpose, right? So, like, there has to be a goal. Like, what is the.
272 00:22:32.580 ⇒ 00:22:33.360 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
273 00:22:33.360 ⇒ 00:22:37.000 Uttam Kumaran: What is the goal of updating the prompt? Like, are the scores gonna go up? Was there.
274 00:22:37.000 ⇒ 00:22:45.089 Samuel Roberts: specific feedback. That’s why I was thinking it was either feedback, Micah gives us, or dependent on being able to test against
275 00:22:45.260 ⇒ 00:22:46.510 Samuel Roberts: finalized decks.
276 00:22:48.270 ⇒ 00:22:52.099 Samuel Roberts: do, like, LMs and judge kind of stuff, which we can’t do in Index.
277 00:22:52.100 ⇒ 00:22:52.800 Uttam Kumaran: But again, like.
278 00:22:52.800 ⇒ 00:22:53.130 Samuel Roberts: feedback.
279 00:22:53.130 ⇒ 00:22:53.720 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t…
280 00:22:53.960 ⇒ 00:22:54.630 Samuel Roberts: I think we’d say…
281 00:22:54.630 ⇒ 00:22:57.740 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I just don’t think there should be a ticket that’s, like.
282 00:22:58.150 ⇒ 00:23:05.939 Uttam Kumaran: there should… I don’t see a path here for, like, any, like, ongoing work tickets. Like, I would say everything is… should be built off specific feedback.
283 00:23:06.140 ⇒ 00:23:14.000 Uttam Kumaran: either, like, our… again, if it’s either feedback from our team on… on… from reviews, or it’s feedback from their team, but, like, should have specific…
284 00:23:14.040 ⇒ 00:23:24.669 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, like, a specific ticket to address, like, a MICA feedback piece, or once we get the decks, you know, the testing one already covers that a little bit. So, yeah.
285 00:23:24.910 ⇒ 00:23:27.710 Samuel Roberts: I would say this is… Mike.
286 00:23:27.900 ⇒ 00:23:29.100 Samuel Roberts: Removable land.
287 00:23:29.540 ⇒ 00:23:37.840 Justin Breshears: I tagged you in it, just to break, like, break up the ticket into, like, the ones with specific outputs or specific goals.
288 00:23:38.210 ⇒ 00:23:39.519 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I mean, I think.
289 00:23:39.520 ⇒ 00:23:39.900 Justin Breshears: Cool.
290 00:23:39.900 ⇒ 00:23:41.259 Samuel Roberts: My… my…
291 00:23:41.610 ⇒ 00:23:51.450 Samuel Roberts: reaction here is probably just get rid of that one, and we’ll add a specific prompt one, like UTAM’s saying. If I can get some feedback out of Micah, we can do that sooner. If not…
292 00:23:51.780 ⇒ 00:23:55.320 Samuel Roberts: If he’s still happy with it, then the testing will help us refine.
293 00:23:57.110 ⇒ 00:23:57.750 Justin Breshears: Perfect.
294 00:23:58.180 ⇒ 00:24:10.080 Justin Breshears: Okay, thanks for spending the extra time. Like I said, once we get kind of our rhythm down, this will go a lot smoother, but I appreciate the work on getting, like, kind of the way that we’re tackling this down, because I think it’ll be really helpful once we get…
295 00:24:10.280 ⇒ 00:24:27.860 Justin Breshears: into, you know, a groove with how we’re tracking work and tickets like that. Basically, like, I want to be able to pop in on a Friday, look at linear, and know exactly, like, how many hours we spent, and what we did, you know, and be able to craft a status report from that, or even automate a status report from that, so…
296 00:24:27.870 ⇒ 00:24:35.260 Justin Breshears: That’s the goal here, is, you know, everything we do, we’re tracking here, and we can prove value to a client at the end of the day. The goal is…
297 00:24:35.290 ⇒ 00:24:36.270 Justin Breshears: Renewals.
298 00:24:36.480 ⇒ 00:24:40.380 Justin Breshears: extensions, follow-on work, right? Because they’re happy with what we did, so…
299 00:24:40.510 ⇒ 00:24:55.950 Justin Breshears: Appreciate y’all. Let me know if you need anything. If you’re blocked, don’t wait till our next meeting, hit me up, and I will help you unblock. But for now, we got one ticket, the request, blocking us that Utum’s gonna help out with, and hopefully that frees us up.
300 00:24:56.500 ⇒ 00:24:58.250 Justin Breshears: Have a great rest of your day, everybody.
301 00:24:58.910 ⇒ 00:24:59.230 Samuel Roberts: as well.
302 00:24:59.510 ⇒ 00:25:00.350 Uttam Kumaran: And you…