Meeting Title: BF <> Interlude: Notion Overview Date: 2025-07-30 Meeting participants: Matthew’s Circleback.ai Notes, Mustafa Raja, Rafay Iqbal, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:02:02.100 ⇒ 00:02:03.310 Rafay Iqbal: Hey? How’s it going.
2 00:02:05.800 ⇒ 00:02:07.780 Mustafa Raja: Hey? Good! How are you?
3 00:02:08.410 ⇒ 00:02:11.279 Rafay Iqbal: Doing good, doing good just going on we don’t join?
4 00:02:15.090 ⇒ 00:02:17.830 Rafay Iqbal: Or is this gonna be us, or is he also joining.
5 00:02:17.830 ⇒ 00:02:18.632 Mustafa Raja: No, no, no,
6 00:02:18.900 ⇒ 00:02:19.560 Mustafa Raja: I think okay.
7 00:02:19.560 ⇒ 00:02:20.639 Mustafa Raja: Is going to join.
8 00:02:21.260 ⇒ 00:02:22.050 Rafay Iqbal: Okay.
9 00:02:22.830 ⇒ 00:02:24.069 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. Let’s wait for them.
10 00:02:25.530 ⇒ 00:02:26.660 Uttam Kumaran: Hello!
11 00:02:26.910 ⇒ 00:02:27.709 Rafay Iqbal: Hey? How’s it going, man?
12 00:02:27.710 ⇒ 00:02:28.350 Mustafa Raja: Hey!
13 00:02:28.650 ⇒ 00:02:29.520 Uttam Kumaran: Good?
14 00:02:29.840 ⇒ 00:02:30.550 Uttam Kumaran: How’s everything?
15 00:02:30.550 ⇒ 00:02:31.130 Rafay Iqbal: Cool.
16 00:02:31.250 ⇒ 00:02:41.960 Rafay Iqbal: Pretty good. Pretty good. Yeah. I just want to set this up quick. Just so I know what pages I need to give you access for just so I know what stuff you’re gonna be building out. So I can get you access to like the right
17 00:02:42.090 ⇒ 00:02:43.320 Rafay Iqbal: spots on our.
18 00:02:43.320 ⇒ 00:02:49.409 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, if you wanna if you wanna go 1st and then we I wanna show you something as well. So.
19 00:02:49.664 ⇒ 00:02:54.240 Rafay Iqbal: No, I think you could start first, st and then after that I’ll I’ll screen short after you.
20 00:02:54.240 ⇒ 00:02:58.939 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, maybe, Mustafa, do you wanna just show the demo that we looked at this morning.
21 00:02:58.940 ⇒ 00:03:00.640 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me.
22 00:03:00.640 ⇒ 00:03:03.173 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe walk through it a little bit slower.
23 00:03:03.490 ⇒ 00:03:04.159 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah.
24 00:03:04.260 ⇒ 00:03:09.840 Uttam Kumaran: But walk through like sort of what you’re thinking about for having multiple agents.
25 00:03:10.290 ⇒ 00:03:16.959 Uttam Kumaran: You don’t have to run a live demo, but you can. And then also to show like, how we’re thinking about each stage.
26 00:03:17.640 ⇒ 00:03:18.550 Mustafa Raja: Okay. Okay.
27 00:03:18.550 ⇒ 00:03:19.150 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
28 00:03:19.550 ⇒ 00:03:20.120 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
29 00:03:23.870 ⇒ 00:03:25.909 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you. Sorry I should have mentioned earlier, but.
30 00:03:25.910 ⇒ 00:03:26.910 Rafay Iqbal: No worries.
31 00:03:27.510 ⇒ 00:03:53.119 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. So so so this is a a multi agent. Architecture. We have over here an orchestrator agent. Which routes to the concerned agent. So this whole thing starts with a summarizer. This summarizer takes in the transcript and questionnaire, and any other file that we would give it.
32 00:03:53.930 ⇒ 00:04:13.200 Mustafa Raja: and sort of sort of create a a summary for this orchestrator to understand what the client needs, and sort of the those things. And then comes in the insight analyst agent. What this does is it performs sort analysis.
33 00:04:13.684 ⇒ 00:04:33.219 Mustafa Raja: and also some competitive notes. Also it goes goes through these these files. All files that we would include for our client. And it will sort of go through. Go through those files and fetch out metrics
34 00:04:33.926 ⇒ 00:04:36.910 Mustafa Raja: from from the files only.
35 00:04:37.020 ⇒ 00:04:42.879 Mustafa Raja: And these metrics they will be input for the narrative architect.
36 00:04:43.030 ⇒ 00:05:08.570 Mustafa Raja: agent, and we are only going to use these facts in our slides in our deck. So we so we do not create any unverified metric or fact. So our our facts are totally based on the files or any other input that we would provide it.
37 00:05:09.620 ⇒ 00:05:24.439 Mustafa Raja: And this sort of creates a basic deck with bullet points and eyebrow text. And then we have this copywriter, agent, and this sort of refines whatever this narrative agent produces.
38 00:05:25.470 ⇒ 00:05:50.300 Mustafa Raja: Whatever deck this narrative agent has produced. Our copywriter is going to refine. Refine it. Keep the keep the metrics aligned as they were. And then this. Qa, I’m going to work a little bit more on it, because right now, what it does is it? Takes an output of this analyst
39 00:05:51.038 ⇒ 00:06:01.320 Mustafa Raja: and this copywriter and sort of checks that we if we have mentioned any metric that was not given by
40 00:06:02.150 ⇒ 00:06:03.580 Mustafa Raja: this analyst.
41 00:06:03.820 ⇒ 00:06:04.340 Rafay Iqbal: Hmm.
42 00:06:04.340 ⇒ 00:06:13.710 Mustafa Raja: Now let me know if we want to. If we want to see see it run. But this this is how this is how it gives us the final output.
43 00:06:15.090 ⇒ 00:06:16.940 Rafay Iqbal: No cool. Yeah, I’m happy to see it run as well.
44 00:06:17.340 ⇒ 00:06:19.860 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, let’s let’s let’s do that.
45 00:06:21.720 ⇒ 00:06:26.359 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So basically, you know, Co, some of the common problems in typical
46 00:06:26.968 ⇒ 00:06:38.800 Uttam Kumaran: like, prompt building is that you have like one prompt. That does all of this. So one of the common patterns that we do, and which is basically will.
47 00:06:38.930 ⇒ 00:06:57.209 Uttam Kumaran: is like what all the best folks are doing now, and will soon become more common places. You you have agents associated with like core use cases. You know, the problem is in Claude. You can’t really do this also, you know, if you just immediately start, go to Claude, you’re like, Hey, give me this
48 00:06:57.460 ⇒ 00:07:09.769 Uttam Kumaran: slide deck outline. It’ll give you an overall. It’ll it’ll be like 50%. But every component you actually have a lot of nuance to. So what we did is we actually broke down a lot of the parts.
49 00:07:09.860 ⇒ 00:07:31.516 Uttam Kumaran: And as the system grows over time, you can start to add more right? And so our goal is to one have, like pretty rich input. Data. And then each of these agents you can consider almost like someone in a workflow that has inputs that has requirements and is trying to accomplish a task. All which kind of comes out into
50 00:07:32.250 ⇒ 00:07:35.019 Uttam Kumaran: you know this, this final output.
51 00:07:36.300 ⇒ 00:07:37.410 Rafay Iqbal: Got it. Okay.
52 00:07:40.460 ⇒ 00:07:46.590 Rafay Iqbal: cool. No, I have no issues with what you kind of just ran through so far. I guess it takes a bit to generate through everything.
53 00:07:48.020 ⇒ 00:07:52.619 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s not good. It’s not. It’s not instant, you know. That’s maybe something we could. We could work on.
54 00:07:52.620 ⇒ 00:07:54.810 Rafay Iqbal: Yeah, no, that’s that’s not wish you all.
55 00:07:54.810 ⇒ 00:07:57.620 Rafay Iqbal: We’re not. We’re not concerned about that. I was just curious, but.
56 00:07:57.620 ⇒ 00:08:00.260 Uttam Kumaran: It probably takes like I mean, I don’t think.
57 00:08:00.260 ⇒ 00:08:00.940 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, they.
58 00:08:00.940 ⇒ 00:08:01.579 Uttam Kumaran: Any longer than.
59 00:08:01.580 ⇒ 00:08:01.960 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
60 00:08:01.980 ⇒ 00:08:04.149 Uttam Kumaran: Usually. But yeah.
61 00:08:04.560 ⇒ 00:08:18.979 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it takes around a minute. So yeah, this is this is what we have as final output. One thing I would want to mention is that we are not, be able to. We are not able to access the
62 00:08:20.310 ⇒ 00:08:22.949 Mustafa Raja: transcripts. Their own transcripts.
63 00:08:22.950 ⇒ 00:08:28.850 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So, Ralph, I was gonna ask you if we could get access to circle back or.
64 00:08:28.850 ⇒ 00:08:29.709 Rafay Iqbal: Right, yeah, yeah.
65 00:08:29.710 ⇒ 00:08:30.970 Uttam Kumaran: Because we just need to.
66 00:08:30.970 ⇒ 00:08:34.000 Rafay Iqbal: Do you just want my login, or what did you want? There.
67 00:08:35.710 ⇒ 00:08:36.849 Uttam Kumaran: If you go to Circle.
68 00:08:36.850 ⇒ 00:08:39.125 Rafay Iqbal: Go back right now and log in
69 00:08:39.450 ⇒ 00:08:45.359 Uttam Kumaran: Like we, we just need the raw transcript files for some of this is that something that you guys have access to? And like, if you log.
70 00:08:45.607 ⇒ 00:08:52.040 Rafay Iqbal: I could honestly just give you my login. So if you could go back, Logo, and just try logging in. I’ll give you access right now.
71 00:08:53.100 ⇒ 00:08:55.380 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Masama. Just click, circle back. Yeah.
72 00:08:55.380 ⇒ 00:09:02.049 Rafay Iqbal: Yeah. And then right there, you just type in Rafai at. I think it’s it’s my old email. I’ll type it in the chat for you. It’s rafe@drip.studio.
73 00:09:02.730 ⇒ 00:09:05.889 Rafay Iqbal: And then it’s gonna email, me a code. And I’ll get you that code to log in.
74 00:09:07.070 ⇒ 00:09:08.840 Rafay Iqbal: Yep, that’s right.
75 00:09:09.780 ⇒ 00:09:11.890 Rafay Iqbal: Wait for the email to come in
76 00:09:13.990 ⇒ 00:09:15.979 Rafay Iqbal: alright. I’ll put into the chat for you
77 00:09:26.640 ⇒ 00:09:30.689 Rafay Iqbal: also, I think, when you click on the meetings, Tab. That’s where all the transcripts are
78 00:09:31.600 ⇒ 00:09:36.519 Rafay Iqbal: yes, all the past ones, all the current ones. They’re all just in there.
79 00:09:37.420 ⇒ 00:09:40.174 Rafay Iqbal: If you need access to Luton, let me know. I’ll
80 00:09:42.060 ⇒ 00:09:44.210 Uttam Kumaran: Most often. That’s okay.
81 00:09:44.480 ⇒ 00:09:45.050 Rafay Iqbal: Cool.
82 00:09:45.560 ⇒ 00:09:46.110 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah.
83 00:09:46.110 ⇒ 00:09:47.020 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, there it is, perfect.
84 00:09:47.020 ⇒ 00:09:47.610 Mustafa Raja: Need additional.
85 00:09:47.610 ⇒ 00:09:49.120 Uttam Kumaran: Can you click the 3 dots?
86 00:09:49.520 ⇒ 00:09:51.210 Uttam Kumaran: Staffa, can you?
87 00:09:52.290 ⇒ 00:09:57.410 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, can, is there? Can you also go to? Is there? Can you check settings? If there’s an Api.
88 00:09:59.380 ⇒ 00:10:01.570 Uttam Kumaran: or if there’s like a web hook or something.
89 00:10:03.400 ⇒ 00:10:04.230 Mustafa Raja: No, I.
90 00:10:04.230 ⇒ 00:10:07.159 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe maybe go back to see whatever that automation thing is.
91 00:10:07.790 ⇒ 00:10:17.020 Rafay Iqbal: The automations was the tab right there. We use it mostly for giving us an update into slack. But I think you can create other automations, too. So if you click, create automation.
92 00:10:17.020 ⇒ 00:10:19.909 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, we have. We have a web book over here.
93 00:10:19.910 ⇒ 00:10:27.080 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, maybe what? Maybe we can think about this Mustafa, like, maybe this goes into slack, or this goes into
94 00:10:27.630 ⇒ 00:10:32.519 Uttam Kumaran: drive or something. But okay, okay, cool. I just wanted to check that that this existed.
95 00:10:33.900 ⇒ 00:10:38.170 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. So I don’t think so. If you go back to real quick.
96 00:10:38.360 ⇒ 00:10:47.749 Uttam Kumaran: So this example, Ralph, like, basically, we’ve built sort of the execution. Scaffolding where the next steps are is one. Right now, we just we need to test with.
97 00:10:47.900 ⇒ 00:10:57.179 Uttam Kumaran: So as we have some of the output examples. And so basically, my, the next step for us is we want to test how close we get you almost back test.
98 00:10:57.330 ⇒ 00:11:07.059 Uttam Kumaran: So we want to look at some of the past ones. You did. Given the transcription given the questionnaire, how close is the one that the AI generates.
99 00:11:07.170 ⇒ 00:11:12.330 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s where we’ll start to be able to basically get feedback from you. And
100 00:11:12.470 ⇒ 00:11:16.880 Uttam Kumaran: and that about like, okay, what? What do we like, what do we? Wanna what do we want to change?
101 00:11:17.328 ⇒ 00:11:23.100 Uttam Kumaran: But like, kind of the overall scaffolding is here. And then, yeah, I would love today to just see where
102 00:11:23.240 ⇒ 00:11:26.279 Uttam Kumaran: you want us to put this stuff in in notion.
103 00:11:26.390 ⇒ 00:11:27.110 Rafay Iqbal: Of course. Yeah.
104 00:11:27.110 ⇒ 00:11:33.770 Rafay Iqbal: yeah. So let me screen share here for you. Now. I can also just give you Workspace access. So you can have access to the whole.
105 00:11:33.890 ⇒ 00:11:37.860 Rafay Iqbal: to all of our notion. But let me just show you what it looks like right now.
106 00:11:41.540 ⇒ 00:11:47.890 Rafay Iqbal: Okay, alright. So this is just generally the the home dashboard that we’ve created.
107 00:11:48.276 ⇒ 00:11:53.409 Rafay Iqbal: So the main use case we have right now is this designers task force. So the 1st button right here.
108 00:11:53.861 ⇒ 00:12:02.489 Rafay Iqbal: And this is where you see all the tasks that are being assigned right now. We’re still trying to work through like a good process for how to intake projects that flow in.
109 00:12:02.840 ⇒ 00:12:07.250 Rafay Iqbal: and how to disperse it throughout the designers. So came up with this master.
110 00:12:07.250 ⇒ 00:12:08.360 Uttam Kumaran: You guys are busy.
111 00:12:08.700 ⇒ 00:12:11.400 Rafay Iqbal: Yeah. So came up with this master project. We have a lot.
112 00:12:11.400 ⇒ 00:12:12.724 Uttam Kumaran: What’s going on right now.
113 00:12:13.252 ⇒ 00:12:24.280 Rafay Iqbal: So then, usually, when there’s like a master client board, this is like a flat rate, like a branding project came in, or a web project came in so this one will have, like all the information on the client itself.
114 00:12:24.680 ⇒ 00:12:27.300 Rafay Iqbal: that we’ve already collected from like a brand questionnaire
115 00:12:27.840 ⇒ 00:12:33.960 Rafay Iqbal: and this links back to the client board. So this is one flow that’s important to think about.
116 00:12:34.513 ⇒ 00:12:47.980 Rafay Iqbal: But then the other one is the active project board. So this is where all the clients have access to this dashboard. When they go into this specific page they’ll have access to like the dropbox links the branch, the general timeline.
117 00:12:48.449 ⇒ 00:12:52.780 Rafay Iqbal: But the timeline bit we still need to like manually update the dates ourselves.
118 00:12:53.131 ⇒ 00:12:59.160 Rafay Iqbal: So that’s a bit of a pain. But we have dependencies on this. So we can just change this 1st start date to like
119 00:12:59.490 ⇒ 00:13:02.399 Rafay Iqbal: this week, and all the other dates will bump down automatically.
120 00:13:03.040 ⇒ 00:13:03.670 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
121 00:13:03.670 ⇒ 00:13:07.569 Rafay Iqbal: So that’s how that currently works, but still need a better way to loop this
122 00:13:07.650 ⇒ 00:13:36.349 Rafay Iqbal: back into the project board, because it’s just getting a bit too messy to keep track of all these projects in the timelines. We just want a better way to track like the timeline that we propose over to the clients, mapping that into the task board itself, like here. But not too sure what the best way is to kind of see each of the steps and how to map them out. Accordingly, we want to have a good automation in place for mapping that timeline out, so it’s easy to see what stage we’re on, and making sure we’re hitting those metrics and matching that timeline.
123 00:13:36.960 ⇒ 00:13:44.690 Uttam Kumaran: Okay? And then can you go to an example of where the maybe walk through? I was just like kind of thinking where this
124 00:13:45.440 ⇒ 00:13:48.889 Uttam Kumaran: this output from the narrative, like with land.
125 00:13:49.690 ⇒ 00:13:52.910 Rafay Iqbal: Yeah. So usually the output should be, let’s see.
126 00:13:52.910 ⇒ 00:13:54.609 Uttam Kumaran: Subtask on the project.
127 00:13:54.610 ⇒ 00:14:09.390 Rafay Iqbal: Yeah, there’s a subtask. And then usually there’s a copy task line up for Matt. So we usually would want to land within that this is empty right now, because that Matt was just using it to track the project. But we would want that either linked or displayed on this
128 00:14:09.570 ⇒ 00:14:14.370 Rafay Iqbal: copy task for this for vanguard.
129 00:14:14.710 ⇒ 00:14:21.910 Rafay Iqbal: either within here or it could also just land within the page. If I just search vanguard, for example
130 00:14:26.674 ⇒ 00:14:38.439 Rafay Iqbal: but then this client board, probably just within its own page. So, Matt, it’s already made on manually here. So it’s automating it within the project board page as well. So it’s easy to backlink into the actual task board.
131 00:14:38.980 ⇒ 00:14:42.360 Uttam Kumaran: Okay? So yeah, I think, Mustafa, maybe we can.
132 00:14:42.590 ⇒ 00:14:47.100 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, if you if you can just give both of us access to this graph like.
133 00:14:47.100 ⇒ 00:14:53.440 Rafay Iqbal: Yeah, I’ll just give you a whole. I’ll just give you admin access that might just be easier instead of just giving you like selective
134 00:14:54.078 ⇒ 00:14:57.540 Rafay Iqbal: do this, and then I’ll just add both of your emails in.
135 00:15:01.220 ⇒ 00:15:06.060 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. The only things we’ll do is, I think we’ll just need. We’ll probably end up using the Api key. And then.
136 00:15:06.490 ⇒ 00:15:09.868 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, we’ll test where how we get this in. I think we’ll stop. We’ll have to.
137 00:15:10.260 ⇒ 00:15:12.030 Uttam Kumaran: look at how we link
138 00:15:14.380 ⇒ 00:15:19.310 Uttam Kumaran: basically how we find the client that yeah, how we find the client database. And then.
139 00:15:19.880 ⇒ 00:15:20.530 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
140 00:15:20.990 ⇒ 00:15:22.698 Rafay Iqbal: Yeah, I gave you Workspace
141 00:15:23.240 ⇒ 00:15:26.920 Rafay Iqbal: ownership, and then I’ll give myself of the same as well.
142 00:15:27.070 ⇒ 00:15:28.840 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’ll just. I’ll just pull it up.
143 00:15:29.130 ⇒ 00:15:33.089 Rafay Iqbal: Yeah, and then workplace owner. And then, yeah, just make sure you have everything. So I’ll turn off my screen share just.
144 00:15:33.390 ⇒ 00:15:36.890 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, just to make sure you have everything you need. Or if I need to change any permissions.
145 00:15:37.870 ⇒ 00:15:40.170 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, let me log in.
146 00:15:43.180 ⇒ 00:15:47.905 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, this is interesting one, because we’ll have to do some. Look up, Mustafa, to find them. Try to match the
147 00:15:49.000 ⇒ 00:15:49.650 Mustafa Raja: Kind.
148 00:15:49.950 ⇒ 00:15:50.550 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
149 00:15:51.320 ⇒ 00:16:06.609 Rafay Iqbal: Yeah, there’s a lot of pages in there that has like, it’s like backlinks, a lot to a lot of different databases. So you might need like click around a bit just to see how things are working. But the main boards we need are just definitely the task board that I just showed you and the Active Project
150 00:16:06.780 ⇒ 00:16:08.830 Rafay Iqbal: Board, which is how the client views.
151 00:16:10.140 ⇒ 00:16:10.850 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
152 00:16:11.980 ⇒ 00:16:26.660 Uttam Kumaran: okay, I think that’s kind of all we need. I mean, mustafa, anything else kind of by Friday. I wanna have. Basically I wanna sort of lock down. Okay, we can do the bit. We can actually, with the couple of questionnaire and transcript, we can execute
153 00:16:27.120 ⇒ 00:16:30.850 Uttam Kumaran: a version. So at that point we’ve kind of replaced
154 00:16:31.170 ⇒ 00:16:37.870 Uttam Kumaran: a good chunk of what Matt was doing, and Claude, the second piece I want to work on also. Mustafa is getting this
155 00:16:37.990 ⇒ 00:16:42.050 Uttam Kumaran: into notion, and then they’ll we’ll come back and do the slack piece.
156 00:16:42.980 ⇒ 00:16:43.680 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
157 00:16:43.990 ⇒ 00:16:45.950 Uttam Kumaran: Cause that that I think is gonna be.
158 00:16:46.620 ⇒ 00:16:48.490 Uttam Kumaran: We’ll have to work on that. We’ll have to work.
159 00:16:48.490 ⇒ 00:16:49.059 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
160 00:16:49.060 ⇒ 00:16:52.399 Uttam Kumaran: To kind of see, like what he wants in terms of like that. Ux.
161 00:16:53.490 ⇒ 00:16:54.110 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
162 00:16:55.230 ⇒ 00:16:58.520 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, anything else we can help with.
163 00:17:00.090 ⇒ 00:17:05.636 Rafay Iqbal: I think that’s it for now. So we’ll run that first.st If you have any questions, I’ll be around to answer them since mapped out. But
164 00:17:06.069 ⇒ 00:17:14.620 Rafay Iqbal: yeah, whenever you want to run a call back, let me know. I’ll be around if you need. If you have any questions around some of our stuff on notion. Let me know as well I’ll
165 00:17:15.000 ⇒ 00:17:17.100 Rafay Iqbal: try to be as responsive as I can.
166 00:17:17.359 ⇒ 00:17:18.819 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, perfect.
167 00:17:19.109 ⇒ 00:17:20.909 Uttam Kumaran: Alright. Thank you so much. Thanks.
168 00:17:20.910 ⇒ 00:17:22.819 Rafay Iqbal: Alright! Appreciate your time, talk to you soon.
169 00:17:23.200 ⇒ 00:17:23.970 Uttam Kumaran: Talk to you soon. Bye.
170 00:17:23.970 ⇒ 00:17:24.319 Rafay Iqbal: Bye.