Meeting Title: HYP: New Patient Flow Diagram Date: 2025-11-06 Meeting participants: Awaish Kumar, Hannah Wang
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1 00:01:27.130 ⇒ 00:01:27.750 Hannah Wang: Hello?
2 00:01:28.590 ⇒ 00:01:29.600 Hannah Wang: Aye.
3 00:01:29.950 ⇒ 00:01:30.850 Awaish Kumar: Probably.
4 00:01:31.480 ⇒ 00:01:33.040 Hannah Wang: Good. How are you?
5 00:01:33.740 ⇒ 00:01:34.980 Awaish Kumar: I’m good as well.
6 00:01:36.160 ⇒ 00:01:46.309 Hannah Wang: Great. Okay, so I think for this meeting, I’m just looking through the thread again, and…
7 00:01:49.360 ⇒ 00:01:50.939 Hannah Wang: The ask is just…
8 00:01:51.440 ⇒ 00:02:01.129 Hannah Wang: for the design team to create functional diagrams so that, I guess, whoever architects it can have, like, a good template,
9 00:02:01.490 ⇒ 00:02:03.839 Hannah Wang: And I think we just want…
10 00:02:04.490 ⇒ 00:02:08.500 Hannah Wang: Yeah, have shapes for each part of the diagram, and logos, and just, like.
11 00:02:08.690 ⇒ 00:02:16.220 Hannah Wang: Squares and stuff, so that you can kind of stitch things together when creating, future…
12 00:02:16.780 ⇒ 00:02:27.090 Hannah Wang: diagrams like that. And then Utom also said, ensure there are templates for Gantt charts and a few of the other more common consulting charts and ones.
13 00:02:27.470 ⇒ 00:02:35.609 Hannah Wang: Okay, do you have more context for the Gantt chart? Sure. Yeah, go ahead.
14 00:02:35.610 ⇒ 00:02:38.239 Awaish Kumar: Sorry, yeah, I have created this,
15 00:02:39.030 ⇒ 00:02:50.819 Awaish Kumar: data flow diagram, and, that’s, like, pretty… a data flow between different systems and, Errors define,
16 00:02:51.520 ⇒ 00:03:02.550 Awaish Kumar: like, who is taking the action, if it is automated, if it’s by person, things like that. So the diagram, if you open the Figma and look at it.
17 00:03:03.700 ⇒ 00:03:07.120 Awaish Kumar: Covers, the… everything, but it is, like.
18 00:03:07.480 ⇒ 00:03:12.889 Awaish Kumar: it is… it has become really complex to basically understand. The arrows are…
19 00:03:13.000 ⇒ 00:03:15.539 Awaish Kumar: Going here and there, and then, no.
20 00:03:15.770 ⇒ 00:03:18.430 Awaish Kumar: Maybe some color coding things?
21 00:03:18.670 ⇒ 00:03:23.770 Awaish Kumar: Like, in terms of the people who can view, like, the contrast.
22 00:03:24.040 ⇒ 00:03:27.800 Awaish Kumar: Of the color and the font, maybe…
23 00:03:27.920 ⇒ 00:03:33.370 Awaish Kumar: So, isn’t that great also? Like,
24 00:03:33.870 ⇒ 00:03:40.699 Awaish Kumar: icons, like, the arrows, as I mentioned, few things are automated, few things are by the…
25 00:03:40.980 ⇒ 00:03:49.810 Awaish Kumar: Manually, performed by a person. So how to, like, differentiate between there, these, in those arrows?
26 00:03:50.090 ⇒ 00:03:50.750 Awaish Kumar: Oh.
27 00:03:50.990 ⇒ 00:03:59.439 Awaish Kumar: I have tried to write down the text, but, like, maybe, I think with my suggestion, maybe use some… using some icons. So, yeah.
28 00:03:59.930 ⇒ 00:04:09.440 Awaish Kumar: So we need a diagram which… which is functional, easy to… duplicate, like, create the…
29 00:04:11.030 ⇒ 00:04:16.090 Awaish Kumar: Like, duplicate that template, and create the diagram, and, maybe…
30 00:04:16.790 ⇒ 00:04:21.990 Awaish Kumar: Which is easy to understand by the… End users.
31 00:04:23.280 ⇒ 00:04:24.160 Awaish Kumar: Or, basically.
32 00:04:25.540 ⇒ 00:04:31.649 Hannah Wang: Yeah, so, I guess when you create diagrams like this, I’m assuming there’s no, like.
33 00:04:32.370 ⇒ 00:04:37.589 Hannah Wang: like, every diagram is gonna look different, right? Because every client has different
34 00:04:38.160 ⇒ 00:04:41.679 Hannah Wang: requests. Like, I’m basically asking, oh, is there, like, a…
35 00:04:41.960 ⇒ 00:04:49.020 Hannah Wang: structure, like, A to B to C, like, consistently throughout all these diagrams, or is it just gonna look…
36 00:04:49.020 ⇒ 00:05:01.280 Awaish Kumar: We need a… we need a data flow diagram. If there are more than, like, there are multiple lanes, so if there… so for each client, we are going to have a few lanes.
37 00:05:01.400 ⇒ 00:05:06.200 Awaish Kumar: Through tasks, few conditional… conditional branching.
38 00:05:06.230 ⇒ 00:05:08.810 Hannah Wang: Air on your calendar, things like that.
39 00:05:09.050 ⇒ 00:05:12.719 Awaish Kumar: And, like, To mark, like, arrows, like…
40 00:05:13.670 ⇒ 00:05:26.679 Awaish Kumar: are defining the flow, but also, like, if it is automated, if it is by a manual… if it’s a manual action, or, for example, like, a star. A star is showing if it is a required field, or if it is…
41 00:05:26.850 ⇒ 00:05:29.470 Awaish Kumar: Optional, or things like that.
42 00:05:31.120 ⇒ 00:05:34.199 Hannah Wang: I see. Okay.
43 00:05:35.580 ⇒ 00:05:45.610 Hannah Wang: And then, are these, like, standard shapes, like, what does the circle, like, in your diagram, what does the circle represent versus the square versus…
44 00:05:45.710 ⇒ 00:05:53.110 Awaish Kumar: Where the rectangles are basically the same. They are the node of a flow, right?
45 00:05:53.410 ⇒ 00:05:54.100 Hannah Wang: Huh.
46 00:05:54.100 ⇒ 00:05:59.100 Awaish Kumar: Kind of action, or, like, what’s happening, or… And,
47 00:05:59.260 ⇒ 00:06:04.359 Awaish Kumar: The circle is just showing the start… starting point of…
48 00:06:05.600 ⇒ 00:06:06.959 Awaish Kumar: whole flow.
49 00:06:07.420 ⇒ 00:06:08.240 Hannah Wang: Okay.
50 00:06:09.470 ⇒ 00:06:12.330 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, that’s basically it. There’s no…
51 00:06:14.290 ⇒ 00:06:18.000 Hannah Wang: Okay, got it. So, yeah, I can totally make…
52 00:06:19.320 ⇒ 00:06:29.129 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I can just try to create a template, and then see if you can… it’s easy to use, and I guess, replicate, so I got it, like, different.
53 00:06:29.130 ⇒ 00:06:39.690 Hannah Wang: You need different shapes, like, the arrows are also, like, oh, via automation or via manual, like, yeah, just being able to differentiate, like, the flow,
54 00:06:39.780 ⇒ 00:06:46.429 Hannah Wang: And… yeah, certain… I can have, like, a legend, so, like, star is, like,
55 00:06:46.640 ⇒ 00:06:51.519 Hannah Wang: I’m forgetting the word. Star is… you… you need it.
56 00:06:51.520 ⇒ 00:06:52.370 Awaish Kumar: That’s not…
57 00:06:52.370 ⇒ 00:06:54.230 Hannah Wang: Yeah, required, yes.
58 00:06:54.420 ⇒ 00:06:57.059 Hannah Wang: What, what does the flag stand for?
59 00:06:57.420 ⇒ 00:07:00.170 Awaish Kumar: Oh yeah, that’s Utam’s comments.
60 00:07:00.590 ⇒ 00:07:02.150 Hannah Wang: Oh, okay.
61 00:07:02.270 ⇒ 00:07:03.190 Hannah Wang: Okay.
62 00:07:04.220 ⇒ 00:07:06.909 Awaish Kumar: Can you give me edit access to… I will…
63 00:07:06.910 ⇒ 00:07:08.180 Hannah Wang: Yeah, oh.
64 00:07:08.440 ⇒ 00:07:24.789 Hannah Wang: just so I can see, like, how you set up everything. So I, yeah, requested that. And then, gotcha, there’s different lanes, and yeah, front desk might be, like, a human icon instead of, like, another square.
65 00:07:25.780 ⇒ 00:07:30.480 Awaish Kumar: Also, if you can… See that.
66 00:07:33.440 ⇒ 00:07:34.020 Hannah Wang: Yep.
67 00:07:34.210 ⇒ 00:07:40.020 Awaish Kumar: like, this front desk is a… is a person, like, who is…
68 00:07:40.020 ⇒ 00:07:40.560 Hannah Wang: Yep.
69 00:07:40.750 ⇒ 00:07:50.900 Awaish Kumar: Using the front desk, kind of… Front, like, front desks, Someone who is sitting
70 00:07:51.140 ⇒ 00:07:53.920 Awaish Kumar: At the front desk, and his… his…
71 00:07:54.370 ⇒ 00:08:03.080 Awaish Kumar: piece of the software. But, like, not all of these… all of these things are, like,
72 00:08:03.480 ⇒ 00:08:06.190 Awaish Kumar: like, manual, right? So…
73 00:08:06.190 ⇒ 00:08:07.240 Hannah Wang: Yeah,
74 00:08:07.240 ⇒ 00:08:17.530 Awaish Kumar: Like, for example, Yeah, a few, like… Okay, yeah, like, these…
75 00:08:17.630 ⇒ 00:08:23.869 Awaish Kumar: Squares are, like, something which he’s doing manually, but then the arrows which are going
76 00:08:24.560 ⇒ 00:08:30.669 Awaish Kumar: From front desk to other, like, patient lands, they are, like, more, like, automated.
77 00:08:30.910 ⇒ 00:08:32.100 Awaish Kumar: All things…
78 00:08:33.190 ⇒ 00:08:36.000 Awaish Kumar: Wherever it says Kerrigan on the arrow.
79 00:08:36.419 ⇒ 00:08:36.999 Hannah Wang: I mean…
80 00:08:37.000 ⇒ 00:08:41.459 Awaish Kumar: automation. So the piece of software will be doing that action.
81 00:08:42.429 ⇒ 00:08:43.429 Hannah Wang: Mmm.
82 00:08:43.429 ⇒ 00:08:47.329 Awaish Kumar: And if you come back to this health… Blue Land.
83 00:08:48.600 ⇒ 00:08:53.790 Awaish Kumar: We can see, some of the arrows say,
84 00:08:54.420 ⇒ 00:08:57.450 Awaish Kumar: Kerrigan, that means it’s an automated thing.
85 00:08:57.670 ⇒ 00:08:58.130 Hannah Wang: Yep.
86 00:09:00.430 ⇒ 00:09:08.870 Awaish Kumar: But, it’s possible that… Like, there is some task which is not automated, which is…
87 00:09:09.020 ⇒ 00:09:13.870 Awaish Kumar: Which is not being done by… Kerrigan, but, like, maybe…
88 00:09:14.040 ⇒ 00:09:19.479 Awaish Kumar: I don’t know, some person has to, like… if you scroll up a little bit.
89 00:09:19.820 ⇒ 00:09:20.390 Hannah Wang: Yep.
90 00:09:21.670 ⇒ 00:09:27.530 Awaish Kumar: So the initial tasks, like, .
91 00:09:28.550 ⇒ 00:09:32.370 Hannah Wang: All complete phone response, like, receive SMS.
92 00:09:32.370 ⇒ 00:09:34.779 Awaish Kumar: So they are going to receive this…
93 00:09:34.920 ⇒ 00:09:38.550 Awaish Kumar: SMS from the patient. Patient is going to send some
94 00:09:38.760 ⇒ 00:09:43.819 Awaish Kumar: message which is going to land in the Health IE is a software.
95 00:09:43.980 ⇒ 00:09:44.550 Awaish Kumar: And…
96 00:09:44.940 ⇒ 00:09:54.870 Awaish Kumar: you’ll see in some view in that software, those messages will be listed down there. Similarly, the farm responses will be there, or…
97 00:09:55.270 ⇒ 00:10:03.589 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, and and then,
98 00:10:05.310 ⇒ 00:10:09.529 Awaish Kumar: Cowl is automatically created, and then we have flows, which are…
99 00:10:09.720 ⇒ 00:10:14.610 Awaish Kumar: Also, automatic, at the bottom.
100 00:10:15.270 ⇒ 00:10:19.940 Awaish Kumar: Of it will be something like… Okay.
101 00:10:24.660 ⇒ 00:10:26.890 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, everything else is…
102 00:10:30.830 ⇒ 00:10:32.570 Awaish Kumar: Automated here, yep.
103 00:10:34.610 ⇒ 00:10:42.710 Hannah Wang: Do you… think it’s… like, I… I understand, I guess, the color, like, I get…
104 00:10:42.940 ⇒ 00:10:51.829 Hannah Wang: I understand, like, the reasoning for using different colors for the arrows, but is that… do you… is that necessary? Like, is that something the… the client or Utomo.
105 00:10:51.830 ⇒ 00:10:54.810 Awaish Kumar: I wanted to lose it, so I can easily see…
106 00:10:54.910 ⇒ 00:10:57.660 Awaish Kumar: Otherwise, it’s all black. I am…
107 00:10:58.460 ⇒ 00:11:02.139 Awaish Kumar: When, like, 10 arrows are moving here and there, you’re…
108 00:11:02.480 ⇒ 00:11:03.020 Hannah Wang: Oh, yeah.
109 00:11:03.020 ⇒ 00:11:04.240 Awaish Kumar: New following.
110 00:11:04.440 ⇒ 00:11:04.970 Awaish Kumar: It does.
111 00:11:04.970 ⇒ 00:11:05.550 Hannah Wang: Okay.
112 00:11:05.550 ⇒ 00:11:07.839 Awaish Kumar: Follow, like, to, like, if it is a…
113 00:11:08.040 ⇒ 00:11:12.630 Awaish Kumar: like, the green arrow, I know, like, it’s going to be in the front desk somewhere.
114 00:11:13.820 ⇒ 00:11:19.000 Awaish Kumar: Blue Arrow’s going into healthy software, so… Consist…
115 00:11:19.180 ⇒ 00:11:23.089 Awaish Kumar: Helps me follow through the arrows to the actual task.
116 00:11:23.450 ⇒ 00:11:23.910 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
117 00:11:23.910 ⇒ 00:11:25.590 Awaish Kumar: Way to do that?
118 00:11:26.790 ⇒ 00:11:31.209 Awaish Kumar: yeah, yeah, sure, then you can go ahead with that.
119 00:11:32.240 ⇒ 00:11:36.860 Hannah Wang: No, I think it… because I was just thinking, oh, if everything…
120 00:11:37.190 ⇒ 00:11:43.230 Hannah Wang: that’s automatic is one color, and everything that’s manual is another color, like, that could help.
121 00:11:43.230 ⇒ 00:11:43.880 Awaish Kumar: You don’t…
122 00:11:43.880 ⇒ 00:11:48.740 Hannah Wang: But… that, like, Haragon, the text, but then I also understand
123 00:11:49.070 ⇒ 00:11:52.119 Hannah Wang: Yeah, you just want to see where it goes.
124 00:11:52.250 ⇒ 00:11:57.469 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, if I see arrow anywhere in blue color, I know this is going to the…
125 00:11:57.850 ⇒ 00:12:00.209 Awaish Kumar: health-eye software. If it is a…
126 00:12:01.340 ⇒ 00:12:05.400 Awaish Kumar: red, it is going to be in the practice manager’s area.
127 00:12:05.540 ⇒ 00:12:10.319 Awaish Kumar: So, it’s easy to just go and look at the rates going.
128 00:12:11.690 ⇒ 00:12:16.999 Hannah Wang: Yeah, okay. Yeah, I think we keep the color,
129 00:12:18.100 ⇒ 00:12:20.569 Hannah Wang: Based on the lane or the…
130 00:12:21.090 ⇒ 00:12:25.189 Hannah Wang: Like, the object, or the person, or whatever it is.
131 00:12:25.190 ⇒ 00:12:29.799 Awaish Kumar: People, like, there was a lot of big complaints around it.
132 00:12:30.100 ⇒ 00:12:34.409 Awaish Kumar: The one complaint was, like, color.
133 00:12:34.630 ⇒ 00:12:39.950 Awaish Kumar: For contrast, like, they didn’t want it to see very white text, right?
134 00:12:40.080 ⇒ 00:12:42.820 Awaish Kumar: That’s, like, hard to read it.
135 00:12:43.170 ⇒ 00:12:51.749 Awaish Kumar: So we maybe need… Colors, which are… which are… which can… where we can write in black.
136 00:12:51.940 ⇒ 00:12:57.260 Awaish Kumar: And easy to… which is easy to read by… anyone, like.
137 00:12:58.330 ⇒ 00:13:08.039 Awaish Kumar: And secondly, the icons, like, differentiating between automatic task and the manual task. And third.
138 00:13:08.680 ⇒ 00:13:11.959 Awaish Kumar: Also, like, pointing out required and optional things.
139 00:13:12.260 ⇒ 00:13:19.189 Awaish Kumar: And all those arrows which are moving here and there, maybe some way to, like…
140 00:13:20.740 ⇒ 00:13:28.610 Awaish Kumar: minimize that, like, all the blue arrows are maybe on the top, then green, then, like, maybe some kind of…
141 00:13:29.380 ⇒ 00:13:32.560 Awaish Kumar: better… like…
142 00:13:33.080 ⇒ 00:13:40.690 Awaish Kumar: just maybe moving around these lanes would make it better? I don’t… the layout fixing, for example, kind of thing, which is, like.
143 00:13:40.970 ⇒ 00:13:45.290 Awaish Kumar: Maybe all arrows just become straight, and… or something like that, which…
144 00:13:45.610 ⇒ 00:13:49.239 Awaish Kumar: And blue, then green, then all reds, then so…
145 00:13:49.410 ⇒ 00:13:53.990 Awaish Kumar: There’s no confusion, there are no overlapping
146 00:13:54.230 ⇒ 00:13:57.110 Awaish Kumar: Like, like they are now, which is really hard.
147 00:13:57.710 ⇒ 00:14:03.489 Hannah Wang: Yeah, when you dragged it, because I see that your arrows are, like, circular.
148 00:14:03.790 ⇒ 00:14:08.510 Hannah Wang: But I do feel like making it more angular like this would help,
149 00:14:08.720 ⇒ 00:14:12.050 Hannah Wang: Instead of doing the second option, curved.
150 00:14:12.290 ⇒ 00:14:17.439 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, I enjoyed that also, but yeah, for me, it was hard to basically
151 00:14:17.550 ⇒ 00:14:27.709 Awaish Kumar: the… what happened with me was, like, if I… the 10 arrows going from the same place is, like, they are all… if they are angular, they just…
152 00:14:28.170 ⇒ 00:14:30.829 Awaish Kumar: Get merged at one point, and then…
153 00:14:31.910 ⇒ 00:14:37.229 Awaish Kumar: texts which I want to write gets at the same place, or something like that.
154 00:14:37.650 ⇒ 00:14:42.659 Awaish Kumar: So I try to make it circular, so I can, like, maybe move around there.
155 00:14:43.210 ⇒ 00:14:50.050 Awaish Kumar: Angles to it, basically, so it does not… I, like, show…
156 00:14:50.380 ⇒ 00:14:55.019 Awaish Kumar: It does not, like, sit on top of each other, so it’s… they can just move around, yeah.
157 00:14:56.230 ⇒ 00:15:10.010 Hannah Wang: Yeah, like, I don’t… like, in terms of the arrows and the shapes and stuff, like, obviously that’s not something I can help you with until there’s, like, actual content, because I can make a template, and the template would look really clean, but…
158 00:15:10.590 ⇒ 00:15:16.990 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I… I needed… I understand. I totally get it. Even when…
159 00:15:17.280 ⇒ 00:15:20.439 Hannah Wang: I will show you my entire screen.
160 00:15:20.440 ⇒ 00:15:22.430 Awaish Kumar: That is a problem, right? Like, like…
161 00:15:22.660 ⇒ 00:15:30.570 Awaish Kumar: There are 10 errors coming from different… On… different,
162 00:15:31.190 ⇒ 00:15:34.389 Awaish Kumar: a lens to the blue lane, then, like.
163 00:15:36.460 ⇒ 00:15:38.889 Awaish Kumar: It’s hard for me to basically…
164 00:15:40.040 ⇒ 00:15:45.070 Awaish Kumar: Give it a… get some cleaner arrows, because they will basically…
165 00:15:45.340 ⇒ 00:15:47.930 Awaish Kumar: We’ll be coming from all around, and…
166 00:15:51.810 ⇒ 00:16:01.199 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I get it. I mean, I’m just… I’m sure you’ve seen these before, I’m just showing it to you. Obviously, this is a lot cleaner, there’s less arrows, but…
167 00:16:01.340 ⇒ 00:16:02.460 Hannah Wang: I feel like…
168 00:16:02.690 ⇒ 00:16:05.319 Awaish Kumar: But that is our architecture diagram.
169 00:16:05.320 ⇒ 00:16:06.020 Hannah Wang: Yeah, yep.
170 00:16:06.020 ⇒ 00:16:06.420 Awaish Kumar: Good.
171 00:16:06.420 ⇒ 00:16:07.460 Hannah Wang: That’s different.
172 00:16:07.460 ⇒ 00:16:14.240 Awaish Kumar: That’s, like, I have worked on, like, obviously you created this for me, also.
173 00:16:14.360 ⇒ 00:16:19.810 Awaish Kumar: I created a rough version of it, but the thing is, that is…
174 00:16:21.300 ⇒ 00:16:23.279 Awaish Kumar: And you did a great job with this.
175 00:16:24.040 ⇒ 00:16:31.489 Awaish Kumar: Actually, the only thing which… which was easier in that case is arrows, which are… which were very less.
176 00:16:31.650 ⇒ 00:16:33.670 Awaish Kumar: Like, you can always say it.
177 00:16:34.440 ⇒ 00:16:39.439 Awaish Kumar: Create a rectangular around 10 things, and just give… give one arrow.
178 00:16:39.940 ⇒ 00:16:40.280 Hannah Wang: Right.
179 00:16:40.280 ⇒ 00:16:44.510 Awaish Kumar: So, in this case, because it’s just, like,
180 00:16:45.410 ⇒ 00:17:01.779 Awaish Kumar: showing different components, how they are joined, but this is basically showing individual action, like, all the flows, how they will move around, from if, like, 10… 3 pieces of softwares and 10 people
181 00:17:01.890 ⇒ 00:17:08.640 Awaish Kumar: Part of one end-to-end flow, then we are basically showing that.
182 00:17:08.910 ⇒ 00:17:17.629 Awaish Kumar: Starts from patient, then goes through the software, then there is internal soft… like, an automated software
183 00:17:17.770 ⇒ 00:17:24.029 Awaish Kumar: Which is the… Which is going to take some action. Then, maybe some person has some act…
184 00:17:24.339 ⇒ 00:17:30.259 Awaish Kumar: person can take some action. Then there is another software for payments, which will take some action.
185 00:17:30.490 ⇒ 00:17:34.799 Awaish Kumar: And then it will go to floor manager, practice manager, front desk.
186 00:17:35.190 ⇒ 00:17:46.589 Awaish Kumar: Insurance review with a viewer of, like, multiple people involved, multiple softwares involved, and we want to see when a patient starts.
187 00:17:47.480 ⇒ 00:17:52.299 Awaish Kumar: And And the… and when that order, like, when that…
188 00:17:52.900 ⇒ 00:17:56.649 Awaish Kumar: Appointment or anything is successfully booked.
189 00:17:57.140 ⇒ 00:18:04.010 Awaish Kumar: What all arrows or all actions will be performed by each individual?
190 00:18:04.850 ⇒ 00:18:11.190 Awaish Kumar: A person or the piece of software, which are going to help us, basically, successfully
191 00:18:12.170 ⇒ 00:18:16.890 Awaish Kumar: Successfully, what’d you say, like, Handle this patient, so…
192 00:18:17.940 ⇒ 00:18:20.449 Awaish Kumar: That’s rind that, and that’s… that is.
193 00:18:20.450 ⇒ 00:18:20.840 Hannah Wang: Yep.
194 00:18:20.840 ⇒ 00:18:23.450 Awaish Kumar: I think making it… Harder.
195 00:18:24.260 ⇒ 00:18:25.629 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I get you.
196 00:18:25.750 ⇒ 00:18:38.710 Hannah Wang: I honestly don’t know if a template is even going to help with this, to be honest. Like, I… because the main thing that’s confusing is the arrows. Like, the arrows is what makes it look a bit…
197 00:18:39.290 ⇒ 00:18:44.630 Hannah Wang: Crazy, but you need the arrows, so… like…
198 00:18:45.060 ⇒ 00:18:47.080 Awaish Kumar: I need the arrows, I just need it.
199 00:18:47.670 ⇒ 00:18:50.180 Awaish Kumar: Maybe a better way to visualize it. Oh.
200 00:18:51.030 ⇒ 00:18:58.249 Hannah Wang: Yeah, do you think it would help if I try to recreate this diagram in…
201 00:18:58.250 ⇒ 00:19:05.959 Awaish Kumar: Okay, we, like, we don’t… yeah, you don’t need to do it in this call. We… we have this call so that I can share some context of…
202 00:19:05.960 ⇒ 00:19:07.430 Hannah Wang: Yep. What I need.
203 00:19:08.110 ⇒ 00:19:13.429 Awaish Kumar: All you… if you have some tips to share with me, that’s all. You can…
204 00:19:13.430 ⇒ 00:19:13.980 Hannah Wang: No, I think.
205 00:19:13.980 ⇒ 00:19:15.799 Awaish Kumar: Keep the template after the call.
206 00:19:16.250 ⇒ 00:19:22.760 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah, I’m just asking you questions, but… Yeah, I…
207 00:19:22.920 ⇒ 00:19:27.550 Hannah Wang: I can give the template a shot, and then we can see if…
208 00:19:28.200 ⇒ 00:19:34.549 Hannah Wang: If next time you need to create an end-to-end flow, it helps. And then we can…
209 00:19:34.990 ⇒ 00:19:50.110 Hannah Wang: go from there. I can also try to give you tips. Basically, what I’ll do, I think, is I’ll create a template, and then I’ll try to recreate this flow with the template, just to show you… just for myself to see if it’s usable for people, and then…
210 00:19:50.290 ⇒ 00:20:00.559 Hannah Wang: I can ask you to look at it, and then moving forward, you can try using the template, and then if it doesn’t work, we can hop on another call, and then we can talk about it more.
211 00:20:00.560 ⇒ 00:20:02.700 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, that would be nice.
212 00:20:02.700 ⇒ 00:20:03.700 Hannah Wang: Okay, sure.
213 00:20:03.940 ⇒ 00:20:05.339 Hannah Wang: And then there’s…
214 00:20:05.340 ⇒ 00:20:11.640 Awaish Kumar: who… who already… Have, like… that way, you already have given some time, and…
215 00:20:11.960 ⇒ 00:20:14.389 Awaish Kumar: And thoughts on this, so you will have, like.
216 00:20:14.880 ⇒ 00:20:15.600 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
217 00:20:15.600 ⇒ 00:20:18.690 Awaish Kumar: some better… Tips for me.
218 00:20:18.910 ⇒ 00:20:19.810 Hannah Wang: Totally.
219 00:20:20.350 ⇒ 00:20:23.430 Awaish Kumar: Right now, it’s all, like, new context for you.
220 00:20:24.440 ⇒ 00:20:34.649 Hannah Wang: Yeah, but I know diagrams are crazy, so I can also look at other diagrams online and see how they do it, and then I’ll give you tips and stuff.
221 00:20:34.850 ⇒ 00:20:39.110 Hannah Wang: And then… Were there, are there…
222 00:20:39.110 ⇒ 00:20:39.820 Awaish Kumar: People like it’s…
223 00:20:39.820 ⇒ 00:20:40.670 Hannah Wang: charts.
224 00:20:40.670 ⇒ 00:20:46.740 Awaish Kumar: Come on, like… Yeah, we come for this… these things to marketing, because, like,
225 00:20:47.240 ⇒ 00:20:52.990 Awaish Kumar: We don’t have an eye for… Or things like…
226 00:20:53.300 ⇒ 00:20:55.959 Awaish Kumar: Looking at things like you do, like,
227 00:20:56.480 ⇒ 00:21:05.450 Awaish Kumar: I’m not good at, like, front-end engineering, Yeah, that’s like, that beats… That’s, like, purely needs design.
228 00:21:05.800 ⇒ 00:21:06.480 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
229 00:21:07.000 ⇒ 00:21:11.159 Awaish Kumar: An eye for, like, basically making it beautiful.
230 00:21:12.450 ⇒ 00:21:17.179 Awaish Kumar: Color contrast for the… so that every person can actually
231 00:21:17.380 ⇒ 00:21:22.389 Awaish Kumar: She can visualize it. Like, there are people with different eye conditions, right?
232 00:21:22.820 ⇒ 00:21:23.330 Hannah Wang: Right.
233 00:21:24.590 ⇒ 00:21:25.610 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
234 00:21:25.880 ⇒ 00:21:27.779 Hannah Wang: I… I get it. I…
235 00:21:28.130 ⇒ 00:21:40.190 Hannah Wang: I forgot if I told you, but I was also… I was a backend developer for a couple years, and I… I… I was bad at it, so that’s why I’m in the more design world, so everyone has different…
236 00:21:40.300 ⇒ 00:21:49.609 Hannah Wang: different strengths, so… I get it. I look at the work you do, and I’m like, oh, I can never do that, so…
237 00:21:49.780 ⇒ 00:21:52.870 Hannah Wang: Yeah, everyone has different, different strengths, so…
238 00:21:53.300 ⇒ 00:22:00.150 Hannah Wang: Okay, I… I will ticket this out for next sprint and work on it, and then…
239 00:22:01.290 ⇒ 00:22:15.799 Hannah Wang: Yeah, and then Lutam also mentioned, like, Gantt charts and other consulting things, so I’ll include that in there. And then I’ll let you know when it’s done, and then you can kind of take a look, and I’ll give you more tips async on Slack.
240 00:22:16.580 ⇒ 00:22:17.230 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
241 00:22:17.230 ⇒ 00:22:22.039 Hannah Wang: Thank you. Okay, thanks, Awash, this was helpful. Talk to you later.
242 00:22:22.350 ⇒ 00:22:23.120 Awaish Kumar: Bye.
243 00:22:23.460 ⇒ 00:22:24.090 Hannah Wang: Bye.